V-Zug washer arrived

[mielerod69]

Australian Standards

Hi Mike,

Washing machines whether top or front loading are tested to AS/NZS 2040.2. The programme used is a Normal or Cottons programme with a minimum temperature of 40 degrees. Some manufacturers also use up to 60 degrees to achieve the pass required for the label. This of course would lower the energy star rating. Therefore the programme is optimised to obtain the best energy and water rating. The standard also tests for rinse efficiency. There was a point where machines were using very little water but were not rinsing properly to obtain a high water efficiency rating. They put a marker in the wash water and see what is left behind after the cycle finishes. The less that is left the better the rinse performance. The problem with the marker is that it dissolves and rinses out easily when using higher temperatures. When Choice test, they only test to part of the standard. That is they use the standard wash load and marker for rinse efficiency, but test using the cold setting rather than what's stated on the energy label. This therefore affects the overall performance scores for dirt removal and rinse efficiency as the marker doesn't rinse out as easily when using cold water in the wash cycle.

Shhh!!! don't tell anyone!

 

[rudin1969]

As far as I know, the test programme for VZug is not the one for 'normal soiling' (which I believe you meant 'light soiling', as this is the default option), but the one for 'heavy soiling', in other words: Cottons programme + heavy soiling selected + night (aka eco) option selected (lengthens the programme time, but saves on both electricity and water use -- longer rinses with less water).

 

[rudin1969]

Another thing... in the 'original' 2009 Adora, the test programme was slightly shorter and used up a bit more electricity. They tweaked with it in the 2010 version, in order to top the chart of energy efficient washers in the Swiss Topten site (see link)

http://www.topten.ch/francais/Menage/lave-linge/mf-7kg-3.html

 

[deedub]

Water connection

Chestermikeuk,
I have an instantaneous gas hws. But the washer is only connected to cold. I had the Miele connected to both, but had a sealed electric system in both houses it lived in.
David

 

[mielerod69]

Australian vs European standards

Hi Rudin69,

Yes the programme used for the label in Europe is correct, but in Australia we have a different standard we test to. If you look in the Australian VZug manual, it gives you what the test programme is. What they have done is extend the time for 'Normal soil' level as our standard states that the programme is designed to wash a normally soiled load, not heavily soiled like in the EU test programme.

 

[realist]

V-Zug

Hallo Mike
- We always had V-Zug Adora washer & dryer machines, I cannot remember the models. I also had a V-Zug hob and oven, needless to say problem free.
- I am staying in the UK.
- Neff washer dryer stopped in the middle of the wash, also had to replace the pump twice.

I know the prices are very high with V-Zug, especially since the pound lost such a lot of value lately, but if you can afford it, you will not regret it.

 

[ronhic]

V-Zug and Miele

I was talking about V-Zug and Miele with a friend on the weekend who is known for his frugality and slightly idiosyncratic ways....

 

Suffice to say that the conversation ended up with me stating that I think I'll buy a Miele washer when we replace the Westinghouse/Zanussi/Electrolux. His comment was really quite interesting:

 

'Why on earth would you want to spend $2000 on something that always appears to be breaking down?'

 

I was a tad astounded by this and asked for further explanation.....

 

'Simon and I have a great number of high value and celebrity customers (they are pond and aquarium people - currently building one worth $250k for some lucky sod). There is barely a month goes by when the red Miele van isn't at one of our customers'

 

Now, Darren isn't known for exaggeration or being diplomatic so I'm tempted to accept that he does see the red Miele van at houses quite regularly.....

 

I suppose this has just made me think about it a tad...

 

Has anyone else experienced high 'Miele Van' occurances?

 

[deedub]

Miele van

I spend all day dealing with people about appliances and from my observations Miele have the lowest failure/service rate of any brand. If your friend is operating in a above average income/wealth area then it stands to reason that there would be a lot of Miele appliances in the area. If something lasts 10/15/20/25 years it isn't usually going to do it without some kind of maintenance.

But also bare in mind that Miele deliveries and installations are done from the red Miele vans too. So it's probably of combination of both service on existing products and delivery of new ones.

Repeat customers for the Miele brand (in laundry and dishwashers) for me would easily be over 90%. Very very few complaints.

David

 

[mielerod69]

something that always appears to be breaking down

Hi Ron,

I think that this is very much a blanket statement your friend is making. Remember that service calls don't always pertain to a 'break down'. There are service statistics which log what type of service call is being made. I can tell you that many are for user error issues and not related to a technical fault.

 

[deedub]

Miele steam

Saw the new Miele steam washing machines last night (Hi Rod!) and was very impressed, going to be a successful product for them.
The Auto Dos machine is a lot more advanced than anything else on the market, the external dosing unit actually has it's own pump to draw in water from the machine, mix it with either powder or liquid then put the appropriate amount based on the load size (and level of soiling you select).

Attached is a picture of the lower steam model with traditional dial and button controls that I took last night. The Auto Dos machine has the full Navitronic touch control panel from the TOL ovens.

 

[rudin1969]

hello, deedub
any feedback about the Vzug after a couple of weeks' use? Have you tried the 'textile' specialty programmes?

 

[jetcone]

Looks like one tough machine

to me. That VAS system I want to take it apart and put it into my Kenmore combo!

 

Love the  name VAS as in vas deferens! Tubes everywhere...

 

 

 

[AZREOspecialist]

That v-Zug is the ugliest washing machine I've seen in a long time. Is that interior photo above from the same machine? What a mess compared to the nice, clean interior layout of a Miele. Also, the plastic/fiberglass tub appears to be split down the middle, I wonder how long before that seam cracks? Miele uses a one-piece drum.

Just saying.