vacuum design: pressure versus volume

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I have noticed that most of the newest vacuums manufacturers are always pushing how powerful the motor is, and how deep the suction is. The deeper the suction, the larger amounts of dirt the vacuum is supposed to pick up. For instance, the bowling ball in the Oreck ads. In order to obtain extreme low pressures, the motor is spun faster. This results in extremely noisy motors.

I don't think that a higher pressure vacuum is as effective as one that moved larger VOUMES of air. The problem is that most vacuums are not really designed to move large volumes of air, their hoses are relatively small, and the impellers on the motor are small too.

Why do I think this? Well, let's think about a typical floor nozzle in a vacuum, and what happens when a piece of dirt encounters it. Saying that the vacuum moves dirt is sort of a misnomer. What actually happens is that the vacuum removes the air in front a dirt particle, and the ambient air pressure beind the dirt then pushes it up the hose. If the air is removed faster, as in the case of a strong vacuum, the dirt particle moves faster up the hose, and a larger dirt particles can be picked up due to the lower pressure.

Now the issue comes when you want to pick up LOTS of dirt particles, which, if I'm not mistaken, is what the goal is when cleaning the house with a vacuum cleaner. In this case, one needs to not necessarily achieve a deeper vacuum to move the dirt faster, but it needs to swallow up lots of air that's ahead of all those dirt particles.

My own experience seems to be that high-volume vacuum cleaners seem to perform better than the high pressure ones. For instance, I have a little Hoover vacuum I use for cleaning electronics. It's got an extremely powerful motor, but a tiny fan and hose. It will pick up some pretty big stuff, but if one were to connect it up to a floor attachment, it's performance is dissapointing. The polar opposite of this is one of those big central vacuum installed in a machine shop. It's got a big fan in it that's comparatively slow turning. Although it would not swallow a bowling ball, It can swallow enormous amounts of sawdust and other shop dirt.

I would be interested in experimenting with various vacuum designs to see which actually picks up more or less volumes of dirt. The classic Electrolux model 30 (XXX) vacuum is famous for being a quiet, but effective vacuum. I imagine this is because it swallows up large volumes of air with a big blower. This would be in comparason to some of those little screamers avaliable nowadays. To perform an experiment, there will need to be many factors precisely controlled. The size and amount of dirt particles, and the density of their scattering will need to be closely monitored across the testing surface. I will then need to obtain a variety of vacuums of various shapes and sizes. The maximum negative pressure, and the CFM moved by each vacuum will need to be measured precisely. When the dirt pickup stage begins, each vacuum will need to have the same nozzle installed, and the nozzle will need to be pushed at the same time and distance for each vacuum. To measure the amount of dirt picked up, the bags will all need to be measured before and after the "dirt run" to see how much is actually in them.

It sounds like a worty endeavour, and it could dispel a lot of myths in the advertising of vaccuum cleaners that an extremely low pressure cleans better than a high volume of air moved....Then again, this is a lot of work for a simple answer, and my results are probably not going to be published anywhere significant...Maybe I could give this challenge to a high school physics class, or, the best thing is to ask vacuum cleaner experts, like the ones here....what do you think? Is it high volume of high negative pressure that cleans the best?
 
It's not high pressure that cleans the floors in my opinion, it's the volume of air moved. We had an Oreck XL compact canister and upright vacuum set until 1998, and even though they claimed the canister could pick up a bowling ball, it did not even have enough power to drive a turbo nozzle!! After a Kenmore Progressive upright, we had 2 more compact canisters, a Eureka Whirlwind Mighty Mite, and Euro-Pro Shark. Both were better than the Oreck, but not by much. I will say though, out of both, the Mighty Mite always picked up the most dirt.

My 1956 Electrolux Model S and 1973 Hoover Constellation 843 canisters, both of which are clean-air and pull the dirt into the bag, seem to be slower-running than a modern canister (correct me if I'm wrong on this guys), yet have equally strong, if not stronger, suction. Feel the hose end of one of these while it's running and you'll know what I'm talking about. While I wouldn't try holding a bowling ball up in the air with either one, the Electrolux literally pulls dirt up from underneath the carpet, and I can hear the "whoosh" of air through the Constellation's rug nozzle as it's gliding along grabbing everything in its path. One thing I noticed with both the Model S and the Connie is that the suction causes the rug nozzle to "stick" to the carpet, something I NEVER experienced with any of the compact canisters we had before. They always felt "loose", as if you were pushing the nozzle with the machine off.

I know that definitely with canister cleaners, air volume counts. Pressure is VERY misleading, which is why it's used for advertising purposes. Just my $0.02.

--Austin
 
And another thing...all 3 compact canisters were the "screamer" type that you mentioned, especially the Euro-Pro with its high-pitched whine. The Constellation and Electrolux, in constrast, are whisper-quiet machines.
 
its airflow that cleans...

take a penney or a marble and place it in the palm of your hand.
Now take the hose end of a vacuum and cover the object, holding the hose firmly to your hand.
Switch on the motor. What happens? Yes there is suction, but airflow? does the object move?
Now peel the hose back off your hand... with some airflow the object is sucked up.
This is why its important vacuums are properly adjusted to carpets they clean.
 
As Kirby says, "You have to move the air to move the dirt."

The more air you move, the more dirt will be moved with it.
 
I can go along with the CFM school-the amount of air moved in cubic feet per minute will determine how much the dirt the vac will pick up in a given period of time.Like vacs for floor and carpet cleaning-even with a brushroll-you need the high airflow to carry away the dirt the brush stirred and loosened up.But something does come up here-you can only move so much air thru the typical 1 1/4in vac hose.Even if you had a motor and fan the size of a house-you will be limited by the hose size and attachment air openings.the object being or tried to be pick up by the "Sealed suction"the vac hose over and sealed to the surface its on with something under it-the something won't move until the air does.-moving your hand or one side of the hose up to allow air to flow-then the item is picked up-this is used in many vac demos.filter Queen uses it in the demo of picking up the "filter Queen "Bullet" with their vac.This demo can show two things-the vac height is adjusted right and the bag or filters aren't clogged.
 
Miele Upright

I agree about the air flow statement. I have a Miele upright vacuum that has tremendous suction. It's quiet and lightweight, but the air flow is terrible. It has a hose that disconnects/connects to the baseplate. When I disconnect the hose to use attachments, the suction will almost pull your hand off. But to suck up dirt and dust you have to put the hose directly on top of it before it will move it. It's the same when the hose is connected to the baseplate for floor cleaning. This is purely cheap, poor design on the part of Miele. Tim
 
On the Miele uprights-the dealer here didn't recommend them-he suggested SEBO instead.The Miele canisters have an impressive airflow.The Miele canisters may acutally give better airflow than the upright-their uprights are built for Miele by a contractor.
 
bowling ball pickup

If you could get that funnel like "attachment" for the Oreck vac and use it on any other machine-it too-would lift the bowling ball.On the Kirby G6 website-they commented that they did one better than Oreck's bowling ball-The Kirby website mentioned that they configured the G6 in canister mode to pick up a Volkswagen Beatle.Would love to see THAT attachment!!And they didn't break the fan!
 
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