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Thx chetleham, i'm going to hold off on judgement just yet because everytine the clothes moved in the video the camera would focus on something else, the very first video i saw of the prototype frigidaire immersion care looked terrible but that actually wasn't a bad machine rollover wise compared to a new cabrio, in the background of the video on the jeans load you can hear the speed queen agitating pretty fast which the video did not show, the training video from kirk on youtube earlier did say washibilty was actually 8 percent better than the outgoing model, we will see.
 
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I agree, the camera look could have been better. A good 10 minutes is needed to see how it really rolls over and washes. I have a feeling the motor does some serious acceleration on heavy loads which would really get things going. My guess is that the boency the tech talked about is also carried over into the wash- the machine will know how much is in there and thus how hard to agitate it.
 
The wash action in the new 2018 Speed Queen looks pretty enemic. Speed Queen should not listen to the EPA/DOE, they should listen to the consumer and give them what they want.

Fake Wahing Machines (TM) is are only in 2018...
 
If SQ really wanted to, technically they could have taken the old 432 and made the Normal/Eco cycle a small fill w/ a minute of slow agitation (and the spray rinse) and it would have passed DOE standards whilst not damaging the machine too much.
 
Thanks for finding and posting the video, Keith! Have been waiting to see what the new wash action looks like.

Food for thought: Remake the video using a 2017 SQ on the left and the 2018 SQ redesign on the right. Which machine'sĀ wash action would receive the panel's endorsement?

I think we know the answer to that question. šŸ˜‰

[this post was last edited: 12/10/2017-03:41]
 
If SQ really wanted to...

They could have kept everything (trans, break, ect) and installed a variable speed motor like GE did:



This way they can do a slow spin to wet the clothes, then a controlled agitation on low water.

The more I think about this the more I am starting to feel iffy about the design choice. I mean other manufactures in the same position have done everything else besides an agi tub when faced with the same challenge.

In regard to the DOE regs, my best guess is that the other cycles can still do a deep fill. Honestly, had it not been for all these regs, I think transmissions would have been around much longer for many manufacturers.
 
The video gives too short of shots of the washers in use.Can't make a full judgement here-although from what little I could see #2 was better than #1.#1 was good at making "whipped Wash" as opposed to #2.I am guessing #2 is the new SQ Agitub machine.
I also feel SQ should say to heck with EPA and explain to them why EPA's regs aren't going to work in the real world and give consumers what they really want.A washer that washes in real loads of water!Ditch the agitub desing and stick with the traditional designs.And keep the mechanical control washers for those that prefer mechanical controls-and figure those could be less expensive.I just hope the new SQ electronic controls are "hardnened" against lightening and power surges-and use Mil Spec boards.For their price they should be!I can't always be around to remember to unplug electronic control machines when thunderstorms come.
 
All Things Considered...

It certainly did outperform the whirlpool they put it up against. And I do think a top loader that operates at 43 decibels is huge. I just wonder how the cycles have changed from what we are accustomed to from speed queen.

Malcolm
 
What is the decibel difference between the 2017 and 2018 SQ TL? Guess I am used to hearing washing machines running so you know they're on and when they're done.
 
Interesting collection of people's "pet rocks" assembled to judge the two. I wonder what kind of anesthesia they used on them?

I think John Lefever made the best description so far. He would also be likely to think along the lines most of us do when making a comparison, taking into account, of course, our individual prejudices.

I'm quite happy to keep my (now, old-style) SQ.
If I HAD to get a 2018 it would likely be the "Commercial" Maytag based on what I have seen at this point.
 
Thank you for making this available for no FB users.Ā 

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I imagine this was slanted to make the SQ look much better than the competition.Ā  Very much like the 1957 "sand test" of the Westinghouse Laundromat vs. the solid tub top loaders with the timed fill and no0t getting adequate water to wash the clothes plus sand disposal of sold tub machines is nil compared to the perforated Laundromat.Ā  Bet everything was chosen on the "label" of the cycle rather than what/how the cycle executes its function.Ā  I mean I don't use "normal" for any of my laundry or dishes as it's the cycle intended for energy star regulation passage vs. more appropriate cycle performance for better cleaning.Ā  I use the cycle that gives me the needed higher performance results.Ā  Whether that be jean, allergene, bulky items, whites of laundry and auto wash with high temp or pots and pans on the dishwasher.Ā  I would imagine the test purposely chose an inappropriate cycle on the Whirlpool for a load that has jeans and towels and sweaters in it.Ā  Besides, I'd never put all those various fabrics in the same load anyway.Ā  I'm not stupid when it comes to laundry.Ā  Bulky would have probably been far more appropriate for that load.Ā 
 
I doubt the SQ's Normal Eco cycle was used on the load with the sweaters. Those few items were floating around in an ocean of water.

As for the dry spots in some of the items that emerged from the Whirlpool: That happened regularly with my Frigdaire Immersion Care---not because the items weren't fully saturated during the wash/rinse portions of the cycle, but because of air currents during very long, high-speed final spins.

It's great that the redesigned SQ will most likely be even more trouble-free without a transmission, etc., and I'd love a washer that operates at 43 decibels...but as John L. mentioned, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if users find that cleaning ability has been compromised when it comes to heavily-soiled BobLoads.

I'm glad my sister and I have 2017's.
 
Thanks to Keith for finding the video and Richard for making it available on YouTube.

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I thought one of the new 2018 requirements is that the machines had to use less water.Ā  So are they thinking that this design will look the same to the average consumer (still has the agitator) but can actually fill with less water given the gentler action?

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I would guess that it could still clean OK as long as the longer cycle times are selected.Ā  Of course short cycle times are one of the big advantages of the old school top loaders.Ā Ā  There are a lot of people these days who never get dirty (office jobs, hiring out yard work, etc.) and they may not even notice!

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Jury is definitely still out for me...
 
The rep in kirks video did say washability was 8 percent better thsn the outgoing model, even though it is an "agi tub" it did look like the agitator was still doing most of the work.
 
new speed queens

I'd personally go for the tr7 and dr7 matching electric pair. I can't wait until Kirk puts this washer through its paces! I have volunteered with Kirk in 2009 when I was in high school. One thing they could've done was to add the water circulation pump for even more superior saturation. Just saying.
 
Speed Queen 2018 top load!

I did watch the video and had a few various thoughts, The wash action doesn't look to be very powerful for a big heavy duty load of towels jeans etc. I would want to get the TOL model if I was going to buy this type of machine. For heavy soiled loads you would probably need the prewash / soak and extended wash time! I think they could have made this same design with a more powerful water force maybe with fins on the tub itself and or a better restyled agitator to give a more forceful wash action! As for all these new top load design machines - I think the LG washes the best but the speed queen is the most durable of all!
 
Keith, thanks for posting that link, great video, answers a lot of questions.

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For those most interested in the wash action change explanation, go to the 34:00 minute mark.

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19% less fabric damage and 4.7% better wash quality in exchange for "slightly longer" cycle times.

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Now...who do you believe...?Ā  LOL.

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Jury still out...

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The Alliance people are certainly pouring out the money to "sell" the new product. Of course, the easiest people to sell something to ----are sales people.

Now that I've watched this video, I am convinced that they are willing to jeopardize all they have worked for just to shake-down the public in what most certainly will end-up their last hurrah in top-loaders.
 

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