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speed queen quality and energy star

I believe speed queen was forced to comply with the energy star compliant guidelines for 2018, while at the same time keeping the same design with different changes including the auto load sensing, motor and lid lock as well as eliminating the transmission. I hope they do a side by side comparison of their newest models compared to their older models like GE did.
 
Wash agitation

Satisfactory agitation from the videos that I've seen but I fail to see how this machine will bring my big winter coat , will all the air pockets that are generated with the fill of the machine, down in the bottom of the tub as it does now. Like with a dual agitator, a big part of it will float at the top throughout the cycle and not get washed. The agitator they have been using has been around since the 60's and pulls clothes down, Now the largest laundry equipment manufacture lets it down. A shame. Can"t wait to see it in action with these types of clothes... hope I'm wrong,,,
 
Miss ingredient

Quite honestly, I feel that this machine requires a catalyst-esque pretreatment phase. This would push down the clothes and remove all air from clothes. This also should improve cleaning and would be a nice option. It would be worth adding to the machines.
 
Watching some of the demo videos form training and such, the action reminds me of how the clothes were moved with Norge Timeline washers in the 1950s.  Not much rollover but managed to clean very effectively based upon testing from CR.  But I still think a front loader is better than this. 

 

Also noted they suggested using liquid detergents.  I personally thinhk powders are better.  Plus liquids are extremely difficult for me to see the markings in the little cap.  I end up over or under dosing I am sure. 
 
Watched all the videos but got the most out of the sales video. The variable speed motor is impressive - I have one of those for my pool pump motor and they are quiet and last a long time. The only thing that concerns me is that they made it 'smarter' and rely on sensors more. Will be interesting to see the feedback on washing performance after this gets into consumer's hands.
 
Interesting

I will withhold judgment until it gets in the hands of actual users.  Still, if I had one, I would figure out how to defeat the lid lock so I could film and upload to youtube.

 

At any rate, I'm keeping my AWN542 until the cows come home or I pass away, whichever comes first. I love it more than life itself.

 

Finally, this whole redesign just solidifies why I detest the meddlesome DOE.

 

At some point they'll go after dryers................
 
Who's fault

At no point in this will I fault Speed Queen. They did their best IMO and kept the longevity. As for wash-ability, what ever happens, happens. There is nothing you can do when the government starts breathing down your neck. From the sound of it these changes are indeed mandatory. And as such Speed Queen is forced to pick the lesser of several evils. While reduced cleaning might be an issue, I am sure they have weighed all the pros and cons of other alternatives such as a total design rebuild or mod shifters and brakes. Yes these will produce better cleaning, but there is the added cost of R&D, and something as simple as a mod sifter or break is a massive gamble especially when you need to heavily dismantle the washer for anything other than a motor or belt. Remember these washers aren't just for resi- but commercial where they will take massive amounts of abuse. Yes there is the rumor transmissions will stay for the commercial and foreign market, but I can't see that lasting for ever. Having two designs is more burden then just one, especially when that one design is using parts from front loads like the motor and inverter.

They know they are making many hard painful decisions, as did Whirlpool and GE. Trust me, I am certain manufactures hate these mandates as much as we do. No one wants to deal with consumer complaints, bad publicity, or 'oh, we should have done it this way instead'

As much as I LOVE toploaders, and as much as top loaders have several distinct advantages over front loads (such as speed), soon or latter we will all switch to front loaders. There is only so much you can do with limited water. I hate saying that, but DOE regs are basically forcing it.
 
@maytag85: I agree 100%. Take the light bulb mandates. Mercury that is supposedly saved from coal burning plants is now much closer to our bodies than ever before. Recycling them? HA! Do you have any idea how many people around here throw them out in regular trash? Vacuum them up when they break because thats actually how they fail at the end of life? The fall from anything always takes years to show up. There are people already advocating for toxin exposure in sanitation workers.

If they really wanted to save the environment, mandate a machine that lasts 50 years at not 5. Keep the landfills clean. Invest in education that will produce a workforce to tackle the real issues at hand.

Best Leave it here for now. There is so much I can say about those feel good DOE mandates.
 
Maytag85

A guy on YouTube, "Aussie50" from Australia has destroyed Euro style FL machines by removing counterweights and controlling the motor directly with a variac and then throwing large heavy objects inside them.
 
I can't get Kirk's vid on this post. "Vid does not exist." Am I being shunned?
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I Wonder Whether All These Histrionics

happened when Speed Queen went to a perforated tub. Or when Hotpoint got rid of their solid tub. Do you think people went gaga over it and predicted the end of clean laundry? I don't know, as I was solidly in the Filter-Flo camp by then, and Lord knows enough people on here don't think much of those...
 
new speed queen

I can't wait until you put this new 2018 speed queen through its paces! I'd like to see it put through a real life test. If you have a premium HE laundry detergent and matching liquid fabric softener, I'd like to see it in use with a big dirty load of colors on the full load size with heavy duty cycle on the highest soil level possible. It could just be a full load of colors with the recommended amount of HE laundry detergent and fabric softener that aren't really super dirty, but it would be nice so we can see what this machine can do.
The stunning question is: how well will it wash? We will find out! Stay tuned everybody!
 
2018 sq agitation

Further to
Post# 972866 , Reply# 31 12/10/2017 at 17:01 by Huebschman (Quebec, CA)

Seen all the videos on other threads... don't need to see anymore. This washer will not get nylon winter gears submerged as it won't be able to drag them down. Imagine this machine washing 2 unzipped sleeping bags. Bet you can see in you head the nylon side floating throughout the cycle.

Hope my 2009 Huebsch will take me to 2029.

RIP domestic division of Alliance. Tis, tac, Tic, tac...
 
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