Wal-Mart and P&G: A $10 Billion Marriage Under Strain:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...n-marriage-under-strain/ar-AAh3wI1?li=BBnb7Kz
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...n-marriage-under-strain/ar-AAh3wI1?li=BBnb7Kz
Wally World in trouble
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Consumers can buy only so much, and there are many products I don't buy, from any and all manufacturers, because I have no use for them. Products mentioned in the story ...
CoverGirl makeup, nada.
Duracell ... sometimes.
Febreeze, nope.
Crest Whitestrips, no (been using Colgate anyway)
Swiffer, no.
Gillette razors, quit that some years ago when cartridges for my Sensor handle disappeared. Not gonna get into that 5-blade ridiculousness.
vacerator
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I doubt losing
proctor & gamble will deeply hurt Wallymart. It would hurt P&G more so.
proctor & gamble will deeply hurt Wallymart. It would hurt P&G more so.
lordkenmore
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Hopes dashed
I have to admit that when I saw the thread title ("Wally World in trouble"), I hoped that it meant that the place would soon be gone, forever.
I have to admit that when I saw the thread title ("Wally World in trouble"), I hoped that it meant that the place would soon be gone, forever.
launderess
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"Last year, executives at Procter & Gamble Co. were alarmed when Wal-Mart Stores Inc. stocked a European competitor right next to the company’s iconic Tide detergent. It was a barb for the consumer-products giant, which has long considered Wal-Mart’s shelves to be its most valuable retail real-estate."
Three guesses who that "European" competitor was.....
Three guesses who that "European" competitor was.....
launderess
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P&G Has A Problem
Many of its products are mature if not elderly.
Consumers discovered during the economic down turn, where by necessity household budgets had to shrink, many private label and or other brands of products are as good or better than P&G's offerings. Yes, Tide is the gold standard for American laundry detergents. However many others will do the job and cost less, often much less.
Also many of P&G's brands suffer from dilution. How many varieties of Tide does P&G need? How many other things can they cram "Febreeze" technology into?
P&G was really hurt by the rollout of their non-phosphate Cascade detergent that had loyal users up in arms.
Many of its products are mature if not elderly.
Consumers discovered during the economic down turn, where by necessity household budgets had to shrink, many private label and or other brands of products are as good or better than P&G's offerings. Yes, Tide is the gold standard for American laundry detergents. However many others will do the job and cost less, often much less.
Also many of P&G's brands suffer from dilution. How many varieties of Tide does P&G need? How many other things can they cram "Febreeze" technology into?
P&G was really hurt by the rollout of their non-phosphate Cascade detergent that had loyal users up in arms.
lordkenmore
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Yes, cheaper products often will work just fine. I, myself, have used Tide a lot the last year--but only because A) I prefer unscented, and it works better than unscented versions of All or Arm & Hammer, even for my typical load that merely needs freshening, and B) reasonably good sales at one store.
But if I were willing to use scented detergents again, I'd have more choices--and more than likely, Tide would be more than I'd need. Sale price or no sale price at that one store.
Indeed, I've used cheap dish detergent a lot. Yes, the more expensive stuff probably cleans better and lasts longer. But for my usage, cheap is good--I typically only wash a few dishes at a time. I don't need to worry about 2 drops lasting for six mountains of dishes from hell.
But if I were willing to use scented detergents again, I'd have more choices--and more than likely, Tide would be more than I'd need. Sale price or no sale price at that one store.
Indeed, I've used cheap dish detergent a lot. Yes, the more expensive stuff probably cleans better and lasts longer. But for my usage, cheap is good--I typically only wash a few dishes at a time. I don't need to worry about 2 drops lasting for six mountains of dishes from hell.
lordkenmore
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I also think P&G is a little slow with some product development. One would think the more green Tide purclean should have been on the market well before now. And when they did come out with it, they came out with an apparently horrible, and also apparently fake, scent that a lot of buyers have despised.
smelly aisles in grocery etc I avoid
I used to do resets for stores esp thru the big company mentioned. I so HATE smelly fake cleaning products. One creppo,DA came into the store one time and sprayed some room deodirizer junk. to see what it smelled like. why dont people just clean up or i open windows.???
I wanted to RAH him. I dETEST smelly things. all make my nose tickle . I only usually buy UNSCENTED FREE and clear stuff. Yall must all need to, too. cause that junk is BAD for all of us.
I tell Hubby no colognes, smelly soaps, shav cream etc. I dont want to cough and sneeze.
Now for real smells plant ROSEMARY, thyme, oregano, basil, lavendar etc....make you feel great...and its EDIBLE, yum yum
THE natural stuff Oh the Walmart here does great in this small town.. No real competition
Only reason I frequent is for organic stuff.
Oh and for cooking smells fixing real garlic in BUTER real Butter.........., besides bking cinammon bread etc..
now I will jump off soapbox.. LOL
I used to do resets for stores esp thru the big company mentioned. I so HATE smelly fake cleaning products. One creppo,DA came into the store one time and sprayed some room deodirizer junk. to see what it smelled like. why dont people just clean up or i open windows.???
I wanted to RAH him. I dETEST smelly things. all make my nose tickle . I only usually buy UNSCENTED FREE and clear stuff. Yall must all need to, too. cause that junk is BAD for all of us.
I tell Hubby no colognes, smelly soaps, shav cream etc. I dont want to cough and sneeze.
Now for real smells plant ROSEMARY, thyme, oregano, basil, lavendar etc....make you feel great...and its EDIBLE, yum yum
THE natural stuff Oh the Walmart here does great in this small town.. No real competition
Only reason I frequent is for organic stuff.
Oh and for cooking smells fixing real garlic in BUTER real Butter.........., besides bking cinammon bread etc..
now I will jump off soapbox.. LOL
When the end comes for Walmart...don't laugh...who would of thought in 1976 Sears would become nearly irrelevant..it will be 'death by a thousand cuts'. Since no retailer has emerged to take them on directly, it will be by these suspects: Amazon, Dollar Stores,other online retailers, stores located in urban centers where millennials and empty nesters are moving, and customers that realize that getting 'low prices' means shopping at disgusting stores...peopleofwalmart.com, anyone? Retail is a business where there are textbook cases of once powerful companies now reduced to just memories..
It would be like Christmas if every Wal-Mart store vanished overnight. That store has done more damage to the economy and more damage the society than we know. It seems like no matter where the stores are, they're the toilet bowl of the area.
whirlcool
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A few years ago Walmart dropped some major name brands in favor of more of it's Great Value brand line up. This was especially true in their frozen foods section. What happened was instead of buying the Great Value brand, customers started going to stores where the now vanished from Walmart brands were still being sold. Walmart scurried to try to get some of those brands back into their stores, but not everyone went along with it. And Walmart lost these customers to other retailers.
You'd think Walmart management would remember that.
You'd think Walmart management would remember that.
lordkenmore
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Walmart management would remember that
Logically, yes.
But it certainly seems like in corporate America, vision does not often extend much past the current quarter...
Logically, yes.
But it certainly seems like in corporate America, vision does not often extend much past the current quarter...
ilovewindex
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Of the brands shown on Wikipedia, we use maybe 10 or 12 of them at most.... Gain, Febreeze, Cascade and Dawn being the prevelent 4.....
I didn't even know Dryel still exsisted
Walmart is ok, but I'd rather shop at Target... Just seems better
http://https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Procter_&_Gamble_brands
I didn't even know Dryel still exsisted
Walmart is ok, but I'd rather shop at Target... Just seems better
http://https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Procter_&_Gamble_brands
arbilab
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I thought you meant Disney with its child-eating alligators.
I seldom go to WallWart. They're trying, but here's a recent result:
Ditching AT&T mobile, needed a plugin-the-wall phone. There are employees milling about so I asked one a register away from electronics. He said they don't sell phones, then said try housewares-- several acres away. So I asked someone in housewares. She didn't know about phones but she knew someone in womensware who led me back to electronics and patiently pawed through inventory until we found something I could use. $35 and quite satisfied. We blessed each other as I passed her leaving. I'm NOT religious, just that glad to get out of there.
Took over an hour. My feet hurt. Out the driveway there's a Radio Shack, where I wanted to go in the first place but thought they were all closed. One last pisser.
Not at all impressed with their store brands; a little too much of the good stuff gets left out. Big fan of Kroger SBs. 10% geezer discount on top of already low prices.
So what DO we do with all the empty real estate WallWart ruined? Make mom & pop malls for all the places we used to shop before Wally ran them out of business? Legalize hiring illegals and rebuild our manufacturing base one abandoned WW at a time? Homeless shelters?
I seldom go to WallWart. They're trying, but here's a recent result:
Ditching AT&T mobile, needed a plugin-the-wall phone. There are employees milling about so I asked one a register away from electronics. He said they don't sell phones, then said try housewares-- several acres away. So I asked someone in housewares. She didn't know about phones but she knew someone in womensware who led me back to electronics and patiently pawed through inventory until we found something I could use. $35 and quite satisfied. We blessed each other as I passed her leaving. I'm NOT religious, just that glad to get out of there.
Took over an hour. My feet hurt. Out the driveway there's a Radio Shack, where I wanted to go in the first place but thought they were all closed. One last pisser.
Not at all impressed with their store brands; a little too much of the good stuff gets left out. Big fan of Kroger SBs. 10% geezer discount on top of already low prices.
So what DO we do with all the empty real estate WallWart ruined? Make mom & pop malls for all the places we used to shop before Wally ran them out of business? Legalize hiring illegals and rebuild our manufacturing base one abandoned WW at a time? Homeless shelters?
At least the story made clear the the Persil is Henkel, even if it is just the liquid which companies seem to be pushing.
Speaking of walmart in small towns, friends live in Newport, TN and the grocery store situation is dismal. They told me that when the big walmart came, the town had to sign an agreement that they would not allow any new grocery stores to be built. They are ruthless people and deserve every bad thing they have coming.
I liked the line about the "people of Walmart" liking the room deodorizer products. I will admit to loving the smell of pine oil. You mop a room with Texize pine oil cleaner and the place smelled clean.
I liked the line about the "people of Walmart" liking the room deodorizer products. I will admit to loving the smell of pine oil. You mop a room with Texize pine oil cleaner and the place smelled clean.
turquoisedude
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Funny you should say that about the town of Newport,TN having to agree to not build anymore new grocery stores... The Wal-Mart in Magog, Quebec (not far from Ogden) recently was converted to one of their 'SuperCentres' which is the Canadian version of a Wal Mart that sells grocery items including fresh meats, produce, and dairy products. I don't if this is true or just a rumour, but apparently the Wal-Mart folks were pressuring the distributors of the weekly bag of flyers to no longer include flyers from the other grocers. I did notice that there were a few weeks when some flyers seemed to be missing, but we now seem to be getting all flyers from all local stores. However, I really wouldn't put it past Wal-Mart to try something like this....
iheartmaytag
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Oh I think they will still love one another. They just need to renegotiate their Pre-nup and quit being so damned greedy.
I will say that P&G is getting a run for their money from Persil. Though not priced any differently than Tide, people are trying something new. Tide comes out with so many "New and improved" varieties it gets old. Besides, once you find a Tide variety you like, they discontinue it. Example: Tide Free & Clear Coldwater. You can still get the Tide Coldwater, but it is HIGHLY perfumed. Then there was Tide Total Care. Now they want you to buy Downey to protect your clothes from the perils of washing.
The Persil thing helped Wal-Marts cash appetite for a short period while they had the exclusive. Now it is just another product on the shelves. P&G just needs to meet the needs of the consumer which will serve them better than trying to eeek the most profit from their new varieties, and long list of add-ons.
I will say that P&G is getting a run for their money from Persil. Though not priced any differently than Tide, people are trying something new. Tide comes out with so many "New and improved" varieties it gets old. Besides, once you find a Tide variety you like, they discontinue it. Example: Tide Free & Clear Coldwater. You can still get the Tide Coldwater, but it is HIGHLY perfumed. Then there was Tide Total Care. Now they want you to buy Downey to protect your clothes from the perils of washing.
The Persil thing helped Wal-Marts cash appetite for a short period while they had the exclusive. Now it is just another product on the shelves. P&G just needs to meet the needs of the consumer which will serve them better than trying to eeek the most profit from their new varieties, and long list of add-ons.
warmsecondrinse
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"Walmart management would remember that
Logically, yes. But it certainly seems like in corporate America, vision does not often extend much past the current quarter... "
Agreed. I find it very telling that there was no mention, even in passing, of things that have an impact on whether or not a customer goes back to a particular store. Things like:
- How long did it take to find parking and how far did the customer need to walk to get into the store?
- How clean was the store?
- Did the customer have a problem finding sales help?
- How long did the customer have to wait in line to pay for his items?
I have to admit, I have this perverse fascination with decision makers (of any type) who make plans with no attention to the practical implementation thereof. Then the decision makers act as though the plan's failure was something that happened to them as opposed to something they caused.
Jim
Logically, yes. But it certainly seems like in corporate America, vision does not often extend much past the current quarter... "
Agreed. I find it very telling that there was no mention, even in passing, of things that have an impact on whether or not a customer goes back to a particular store. Things like:
- How long did it take to find parking and how far did the customer need to walk to get into the store?
- How clean was the store?
- Did the customer have a problem finding sales help?
- How long did the customer have to wait in line to pay for his items?
I have to admit, I have this perverse fascination with decision makers (of any type) who make plans with no attention to the practical implementation thereof. Then the decision makers act as though the plan's failure was something that happened to them as opposed to something they caused.
Jim
arbilab
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Good lick, Jim. Reminds me of what happened to Dell support. A throng of MBA middle managers desperately clawing to get somewhere, tasked with BPI -- business process improvement -- which typically amounted to a subfractional cent saved wholly without regard for what it did to CE -- customer experience -- the big Dell buzzword before somebody sold them BPI. That transition coincided with the one from "dude you're getting a Dell" being a blessing to being a curse.
vacerator
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Let me guess?
Dell support went offshore? Many did, but some are back. GM for instance.
Overall though, the employees are the poorly treated today. Once you get to be age 50 plus, it's very difficult starting over.
My brother works for US steel, and they have severed 25% of salary employees, and are retiring hourly as well early by attrition.
They call it the "new Carnegie way". Well I studied all about the Carnegie way and the first strike where he hired a security company to disban the picket lines.
It got nasty, and people died.
My brother is a journeyman electrician, and is expected to spend two hours or more doing repairs on a crane, then go repair or maintain the furnaces, and rolling and extrusion lines. Often without a safety break. Then work overtime every day.
He refuses of course, until he has a break to regroup. Safety first, or they will have OSHA all over their tails.
Dell support went offshore? Many did, but some are back. GM for instance.
Overall though, the employees are the poorly treated today. Once you get to be age 50 plus, it's very difficult starting over.
My brother works for US steel, and they have severed 25% of salary employees, and are retiring hourly as well early by attrition.
They call it the "new Carnegie way". Well I studied all about the Carnegie way and the first strike where he hired a security company to disban the picket lines.
It got nasty, and people died.
My brother is a journeyman electrician, and is expected to spend two hours or more doing repairs on a crane, then go repair or maintain the furnaces, and rolling and extrusion lines. Often without a safety break. Then work overtime every day.
He refuses of course, until he has a break to regroup. Safety first, or they will have OSHA all over their tails.
Thought to be Title: 'Wally World' GONE FOREVER?
Honestly wish it would be--and I work there...
Too much bitchin' over prices of stuff being too high, when what the customer wants is in the wrong spot over/under the wrong spot due to sloppy aisles and areas, by customers' hasty shopping habits and lack of proper zoning by my lazy fellow-associates...
Few frozen/cold returns being put back to their proper storage, then more food waste, card readers that don't work, the self-checkout machines & check-out scanners breaking down, (and/or stuff not getting scanned, there and at "real person" registers) illegitimate price-matching with other stores, and not even counting the theft, shoplifting, and other kinds of losses, and general shrink... --And I could go on...
I worked at Arbor which is now CVS and when we had meetings with the District Manager he could be quoted as saying we'd be best off closing the store, just to not at least suffer the losses we had then, so I often wonder if there is any sort of concerned management likely to be quoted with saying or believing the same, as I certainly do...
(Yes, what would I do, w/o where I work? Guess join the ranks of those who get helped by our Guv-Ment! Everyone else does... Well, I'm sitting on a fortune somewhere...)
-- Dave
Honestly wish it would be--and I work there...
Too much bitchin' over prices of stuff being too high, when what the customer wants is in the wrong spot over/under the wrong spot due to sloppy aisles and areas, by customers' hasty shopping habits and lack of proper zoning by my lazy fellow-associates...
Few frozen/cold returns being put back to their proper storage, then more food waste, card readers that don't work, the self-checkout machines & check-out scanners breaking down, (and/or stuff not getting scanned, there and at "real person" registers) illegitimate price-matching with other stores, and not even counting the theft, shoplifting, and other kinds of losses, and general shrink... --And I could go on...
I worked at Arbor which is now CVS and when we had meetings with the District Manager he could be quoted as saying we'd be best off closing the store, just to not at least suffer the losses we had then, so I often wonder if there is any sort of concerned management likely to be quoted with saying or believing the same, as I certainly do...
(Yes, what would I do, w/o where I work? Guess join the ranks of those who get helped by our Guv-Ment! Everyone else does... Well, I'm sitting on a fortune somewhere...)
-- Dave
vacerator
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Dave,
Wow! I presumed you repair appliances.
Would you believe Wally would not hire me with 31 years of experience?
I was with Borman and then A&P (Farmer Jack) both hourly and salary.
If you ask me, Wally needs the UFCW, but not like Kroger has it.
No two tier contract, pay everyone equally again. No limit on hours they can work either. Folks work in order to live. They need benefits and insurance, and enough paid time off to compensate the many weekends they work. Not to mention a good retirement plan.
Oh, I forgot, I'm stuck in the 70's and 80's.
The little people mean nothing today.
Wow! I presumed you repair appliances.
Would you believe Wally would not hire me with 31 years of experience?
I was with Borman and then A&P (Farmer Jack) both hourly and salary.
If you ask me, Wally needs the UFCW, but not like Kroger has it.
No two tier contract, pay everyone equally again. No limit on hours they can work either. Folks work in order to live. They need benefits and insurance, and enough paid time off to compensate the many weekends they work. Not to mention a good retirement plan.
Oh, I forgot, I'm stuck in the 70's and 80's.
The little people mean nothing today.
mayken4now
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We will keep buying Persil and have only Henkle/Dial Company in out laundry room since last year.
I had said, Bye Bye to P & G on a previous thread back when.
I had said, Bye Bye to P & G on a previous thread back when.
DaveAMKrayoGuy Appliance Repair?!
No, I'm afraid I have ten thumbs, I'm too often in my good clothes, and I'm allergic to dirt under my finger nails...
I have a retail background which I'd acquired in my 11th & 12th grade of school, in lieu of dropping out & finding I would not miss anything academically as I couldn't get a scholarship to a good college (and I was too precognitive to get any good college credits, let-alone good grades, not to mention stocking grocery shelves & sheltering shopping carts more than taking any courses, to show even for part-time enrollment on a linoleum campus at OCC)...
After a year-and-a-semester, of which either the 'year', or the 'semester' had been enough taking up time & space, I went to a trade school to learn electronic engineering technology & computer repair... (And hadn't found much work in it as much as a need to pursue more school--Guitar Lessons (and keeping my day job) came after that...)
-- Dave
No, I'm afraid I have ten thumbs, I'm too often in my good clothes, and I'm allergic to dirt under my finger nails...
I have a retail background which I'd acquired in my 11th & 12th grade of school, in lieu of dropping out & finding I would not miss anything academically as I couldn't get a scholarship to a good college (and I was too precognitive to get any good college credits, let-alone good grades, not to mention stocking grocery shelves & sheltering shopping carts more than taking any courses, to show even for part-time enrollment on a linoleum campus at OCC)...
After a year-and-a-semester, of which either the 'year', or the 'semester' had been enough taking up time & space, I went to a trade school to learn electronic engineering technology & computer repair... (And hadn't found much work in it as much as a need to pursue more school--Guitar Lessons (and keeping my day job) came after that...)
-- Dave
vacerator
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Me also,
I like the Persil, but I'm a loyal Meijer shopper.
I like the Persil, but I'm a loyal Meijer shopper.
murando531
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I'm glad to see pressure being put on P&G. I do love many of their brands, but like many have said, the waters have become muddy with the oversaturation of so many different products for doing one chore. Detergent, plus boosters, plus scent boosters, plus odor neutralizers(?), etc... All things that were once upon a time just part of a box of powdered Tide. I'm glad Henkel/Persil is giving them a run for their money because perhaps it will mean P&G will get out of their comfy chair and start innovating again, and hopefully that means simplifying their lineups.
The bad thing is that, all things considered, P&G does make some of the best of the best products, which makes it hard to avoid buying them as opposed to some of the competition, so if this Walmart ordeal and their new rival bring them down to earth a bit, that's just fine.
The bad thing is that, all things considered, P&G does make some of the best of the best products, which makes it hard to avoid buying them as opposed to some of the competition, so if this Walmart ordeal and their new rival bring them down to earth a bit, that's just fine.
launderess
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Tide Free & Clear Coldwater.
Glad to see am not the only one missing that product.
For some reason P&G still produces the stuff, but only for sale in Canada and perhaps select parts of the USA. No one in NYC area has it and when asked a local supermarket to order, it wasn't even on his master list of P&G products.
Walmart in Canada has Tide "Coldwater Clean" unscented, but not stores down south.
Glad to see am not the only one missing that product.
For some reason P&G still produces the stuff, but only for sale in Canada and perhaps select parts of the USA. No one in NYC area has it and when asked a local supermarket to order, it wasn't even on his master list of P&G products.
Walmart in Canada has Tide "Coldwater Clean" unscented, but not stores down south.
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