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The basket weighs ~3.5 LB.
Wash habits: how full is your full load?
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This is ~22LB. worth of jeans(not including basket weight)
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The clothes out of the basket.
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Clothes loaded in the machine.
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Can this machine wash a load at its rated capacity? I'd say yes. Take a look at the video.
Yep, a full load to me looks just like in the first picture(s).
Ain't it interesting that whenever you see an American front loader on YouTube, most of the time, people only seem to fill them half-way up? Europeans seem to put more into their washers. I dare not even to think of what you'd say when you see a properly filled Euro dryer! The dried clothes fill the drum to the top - although loosely.
Ain't it interesting that whenever you see an American front loader on YouTube, most of the time, people only seem to fill them half-way up? Europeans seem to put more into their washers. I dare not even to think of what you'd say when you see a properly filled Euro dryer! The dried clothes fill the drum to the top - although loosely.
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LG WM2501HVA loaded to 2 out of 4 load level bars
Here is a shot of some stuff NON white colored items I am washing today.
It is the first time the washer has been used since in the last 6 days. It is a wash load of darker stuff ie non whites.
It has two twin bedsheets, a pillowcase, 8 pairs of socks, two pairs of bluejeans, 4 colored shirts, two dark T shirts, one large 24x45 inch bath towel, one hand towel, two dish towels.
This shot is BEFORE the washer has started..
(1)To FILL the drum I would have to wait maybe until March and buy some more clothes.
(2) Or I could mix pure whites and UW with the rest too, or add super dirty work clothes with stark white church/business dress shirts.
This is a 27" (68 cm ) wide machine. Its basket/drum is about 22" in diameter and about 18" deep.
Here is a shot of some stuff NON white colored items I am washing today.
It is the first time the washer has been used since in the last 6 days. It is a wash load of darker stuff ie non whites.
It has two twin bedsheets, a pillowcase, 8 pairs of socks, two pairs of bluejeans, 4 colored shirts, two dark T shirts, one large 24x45 inch bath towel, one hand towel, two dish towels.
This shot is BEFORE the washer has started..
(1)To FILL the drum I would have to wait maybe until March and buy some more clothes.
(2) Or I could mix pure whites and UW with the rest too, or add super dirty work clothes with stark white church/business dress shirts.
This is a 27" (68 cm ) wide machine. Its basket/drum is about 22" in diameter and about 18" deep.
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SHOT with clothes fluffed UP BEFORE any water is added
Here is a shot after the machine has sensed the load size, but BEFORE the water is showered on the clothes.
The machine rotates CCW and CW in random motions and the items then get "fluffed up" so the water shower can get to all the surfaces.
Here is a shot after the machine has sensed the load size, but BEFORE the water is showered on the clothes.
The machine rotates CCW and CW in random motions and the items then get "fluffed up" so the water shower can get to all the surfaces.
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Shot #3 Now all items are WETTED, thus the basket appears b
After the clothes are all wetted, they are not all fluffed up.
The spin basket looks barely filled. This washer load was 2 out of 4 bars on its load indicator. The prewash setting and "extra add water" settings were used too.
If I added 3 times as many items, the bar sense level indicator would be either 3 or 4 .
Max is 4 bars.
In only once or twice times I have had the machine read 4 bars since I have owned in since new from Nov 2010.
After the clothes are all wetted, they are not all fluffed up.
The spin basket looks barely filled. This washer load was 2 out of 4 bars on its load indicator. The prewash setting and "extra add water" settings were used too.
If I added 3 times as many items, the bar sense level indicator would be either 3 or 4 .
Max is 4 bars.
In only once or twice times I have had the machine read 4 bars since I have owned in since new from Nov 2010.
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Most Europeans have smaller items than Americans.
RE "Ain't it interesting that whenever you see an American front loader on YouTube, most of the time, people only seem to fill them half-way up? Europeans seem to put more into their washers. I dare not even to think of what you'd say when you see a properly filled Euro dryer! The dried clothes fill the drum to the top - although loosely. "
Most Europeans have smaller items than Americans.
Your washers are smaller, your cars and trucks are smaller, your refrigerators are smaller.
A normal washer in the USA is a 27"/68cm wide machine.
A normal washer in Europe is a 24" / 60cm wide machine.
If washed the EXACT/SIZE number of items in two different sized machines, the smaller machine appears to be filled more, since it really is.
A 24" machine in the USA is speciality item. Most all locla stores never have them in stock. It is a mail order/special order item. They have a niche small market in tiny apartments, yachts, offshore oil rig service boats. On land probably only one in 500 to 1000 here own a 24" machine.
Most non commerical washer buyers here buy at a local store. They actually look a the physical washer on a showroom floor. Since about all stored never have a small 24" machine, few buy them. They cost more or equal to a standard 27" machine, but hold less clothes, thus are a marketing flop. Those who buy them here do for space reasons, boats, tiny apartments.
One cannot LEGALLY even build the real small Europe/Japan Apartments here in the USA where there are modern building codes. Other codes in neighborhoods further define the minimum building size. Thus a code here might set a minimum building size of 1100sqft ( 100 sq meters) , but the covenants state 1800sqft (167 sq meters) is a minimum for that neighborhood.
A typical house here in 1952 was only about 1100sqft and had 2 adults and 3 kids. Today an average home is about double the size and has less than 2 folks living there.
RE "Ain't it interesting that whenever you see an American front loader on YouTube, most of the time, people only seem to fill them half-way up? Europeans seem to put more into their washers. I dare not even to think of what you'd say when you see a properly filled Euro dryer! The dried clothes fill the drum to the top - although loosely. "
Most Europeans have smaller items than Americans.
Your washers are smaller, your cars and trucks are smaller, your refrigerators are smaller.
A normal washer in the USA is a 27"/68cm wide machine.
A normal washer in Europe is a 24" / 60cm wide machine.
If washed the EXACT/SIZE number of items in two different sized machines, the smaller machine appears to be filled more, since it really is.
A 24" machine in the USA is speciality item. Most all locla stores never have them in stock. It is a mail order/special order item. They have a niche small market in tiny apartments, yachts, offshore oil rig service boats. On land probably only one in 500 to 1000 here own a 24" machine.
Most non commerical washer buyers here buy at a local store. They actually look a the physical washer on a showroom floor. Since about all stored never have a small 24" machine, few buy them. They cost more or equal to a standard 27" machine, but hold less clothes, thus are a marketing flop. Those who buy them here do for space reasons, boats, tiny apartments.
One cannot LEGALLY even build the real small Europe/Japan Apartments here in the USA where there are modern building codes. Other codes in neighborhoods further define the minimum building size. Thus a code here might set a minimum building size of 1100sqft ( 100 sq meters) , but the covenants state 1800sqft (167 sq meters) is a minimum for that neighborhood.
A typical house here in 1952 was only about 1100sqft and had 2 adults and 3 kids. Today an average home is about double the size and has less than 2 folks living there.
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The same goes with our pickup trucks. Most of the time they are not filled up with stuff either when in usage.
My SMALL old pickup has just a 2.3 liter motor. It is BIG enough to haul standard lumber like a 4x8 foot piece of plywood or sheetrock when the items are above the wheel wells. Its is only a 1/2 ton type truck, good enough for small loads.
Others drive pickups with wider beds, their motors are 5, 6.2, 8 liters. Some buy trucks with a 6000lb capacity because they get around goverment regs with the bigger truck, or really need that giant capacity.
There were some pickups made smaller than mine, they had to have plywood sheets not flat. Plus when loaded the runt motor was a bog factor too.
My SMALL old pickup has just a 2.3 liter motor. It is BIG enough to haul standard lumber like a 4x8 foot piece of plywood or sheetrock when the items are above the wheel wells. Its is only a 1/2 ton type truck, good enough for small loads.
Others drive pickups with wider beds, their motors are 5, 6.2, 8 liters. Some buy trucks with a 6000lb capacity because they get around goverment regs with the bigger truck, or really need that giant capacity.
There were some pickups made smaller than mine, they had to have plywood sheets not flat. Plus when loaded the runt motor was a bog factor too.
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I actually think.....
...what Alexander was saying is that we never see American front load machines loaded in the same way we see European machines loaded...
This has absolutely nothing to do with the actual capacity of the machine, just the way it appears when we see pictures/video of them in that:
- American machines generally appear to be less than half full....
- European machines, on the other hand, generally appear to be at least 3/4 (or more) full....
I've wondered if some of the reasons why we don't see could be that the American machines are incapable of washing with a truly full tub given their short cycle times (particularly the wash component), 2 rinses and ridiculously low water consumption expectations given the size of them....
I'd love to see a truly full load (filled right to the top, hand space only) washed on a 'normal' warm cycle both to see what the true weight capacity is AND see what the wash performance was like in comparison to any European machine machine filled the same way and using the same 'cottons 40c' cycle.....
...what Alexander was saying is that we never see American front load machines loaded in the same way we see European machines loaded...
This has absolutely nothing to do with the actual capacity of the machine, just the way it appears when we see pictures/video of them in that:
- American machines generally appear to be less than half full....
- European machines, on the other hand, generally appear to be at least 3/4 (or more) full....
I've wondered if some of the reasons why we don't see could be that the American machines are incapable of washing with a truly full tub given their short cycle times (particularly the wash component), 2 rinses and ridiculously low water consumption expectations given the size of them....
I'd love to see a truly full load (filled right to the top, hand space only) washed on a 'normal' warm cycle both to see what the true weight capacity is AND see what the wash performance was like in comparison to any European machine machine filled the same way and using the same 'cottons 40c' cycle.....
@ronhic
Well I put two more towels in my machine today along with eight hand towels that are a fair size so I had in total eight towels about 30x50 in size and eight hand towels 18 x 23 and said, here we go.Lets see if the machine performs differently with a fuller load and it did.
I wasn't impressed, it didn't rinse very well, it seemed to not fill the way it usually does, like the machine was laboring but I did get my hands and arms over the load before I started the machine to make certain it would have the room to tumble. It didn't spin as dry and the machine had one hell of a time trying to get it to balance to go into spin, at one point I left the room it was too antagonizing to watch any more.When it came time to take it out, it was so tangled I felt like setting it all on fire, UHH!!!
Then I had to separate the load into two and redo the rinse but I dried it all together, and it came out kinda hard not as soft as they normally do with just six towels and remember I used no fabric conditioner or dryer sheets period on towels they don't need it.As a rule they dry pretty soft without it but not this time, it could have been longer drying time in the dryer that caused this?
So the answer is NO, a bigger machine does not mean better, it's great for the bulkier items but in my experience it didn't do a better job on a larger load, as it says it should.
Well I put two more towels in my machine today along with eight hand towels that are a fair size so I had in total eight towels about 30x50 in size and eight hand towels 18 x 23 and said, here we go.Lets see if the machine performs differently with a fuller load and it did.
I wasn't impressed, it didn't rinse very well, it seemed to not fill the way it usually does, like the machine was laboring but I did get my hands and arms over the load before I started the machine to make certain it would have the room to tumble. It didn't spin as dry and the machine had one hell of a time trying to get it to balance to go into spin, at one point I left the room it was too antagonizing to watch any more.When it came time to take it out, it was so tangled I felt like setting it all on fire, UHH!!!
Then I had to separate the load into two and redo the rinse but I dried it all together, and it came out kinda hard not as soft as they normally do with just six towels and remember I used no fabric conditioner or dryer sheets period on towels they don't need it.As a rule they dry pretty soft without it but not this time, it could have been longer drying time in the dryer that caused this?
So the answer is NO, a bigger machine does not mean better, it's great for the bulkier items but in my experience it didn't do a better job on a larger load, as it says it should.
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Basic Geometry; percentage full varies with the size of cont
The typical non USA machine is smaller in volume, thus for a given load of clothes the smaller machine is fuller.
The is basic geometry. If one places 4 folks in an old VW Bug, the car appears fuller than a 4 folks in a 1970 Cadillac.
The spin basket drum in a 1963,1976 or 1992 FL 27" frame Westinghouse is 22" in diameter. My new 27" frame LG WM2501HVA has the exact diameter spin basket, but it is 1.5 times deeper. ie 18" deep versus 12" deep.
A small 24" machine does NOT have a 22" diameter basket,it is several inches smaller in diameter.
The tub in a 24" machine is roughly the same size as a 27" machine's spin basket.
If one places the same clothes in a 24, 27 and 30" FL washer, each larger machine will appear less full, since it is really a less percentage filled.
If one places 12 oz of Coke Cola in a Tokyo McDonalds cup, it is a Large McDonalds Tokyo cup. In Dallas Texas it fills up a small size McDonalds cup, since a large cup there is often 24 to 32 oz.
When I was at a McDonalds in Munich about 20 years ago, the small cup was about just 6 or 8 oz, sort of like McDonalds used 40 years ago here in the USA.
If somebody in Europe places their weeks groceries in their European refrigerator, it too will be "more full" than if a typical Texas homeowners refrigerator was used, since the USA fridge is typically 1.5 to 3 times larger. Small dorm and small office fridges in the USA are often full sized items in other areas.
If the OZ/European/Japan/USA housewife each buys 2 cubic feet of goods for their fridge, each fills their own fridge a different percentage, since their fridges are all different sizes.
Many of us Americans just fill our washers, trucks, and fridges on what is required to do the job. ie these devices are filled less, because we tend to have bigger devices. Thus I purposely washed a weeks load of dark/colored items for 1 week, instead of waiting one month to "fill the machine up". If I would have custom ordered a smaller 24" machine last November it would do the job too, but the machine would be fuller, thus non USA folks would "feel better". In cars and trucks, my small car has just a 1.5 L motor. It gets better gas mileage than my bigger truck with 2.3L motor, but the insurance costs more. The small car has a high repair cost with a minor bump.
Try placing 6 folks with luggage in a 1971 VW Bug versus a 1971 Cadallac. The bug is fuller and has folks and luggage hanging out of the windows.
When one goes to a USA commercial coin laundromat, there are some giant machines that will take the equalvalent of many home USA washers of clothes. Normally folks use these for giant things like rugs.
Since most 27" USA machines are larger than non usa 24" FRAME machinces, for a given load of items the smaller machines are filled more in percentage. Many of us Americans are nor really bothered by others concerns of "not filling" or trucks,washers, fridges to please others. Buying extra food and clothes to fill our devices seems rather wastefull. Maybe the USA is more advanced in this issue of concerns about waste? Tripling my inventory to fill washers and fridges seems rather odd, so does many other non usa things too.
In clothes, here even if I bought 10 times the number of clothes I would still wash stuff weekly to prevent stains from setting. There are several other practical matters to, one remembers were one spilled stuff within a week, and lessor so after a month or two. We traveling all the time in California 2 decades ago, I had enough clothes to go 4 months, and wash loads could be always "FULL".
The typical non USA machine is smaller in volume, thus for a given load of clothes the smaller machine is fuller.
The is basic geometry. If one places 4 folks in an old VW Bug, the car appears fuller than a 4 folks in a 1970 Cadillac.
The spin basket drum in a 1963,1976 or 1992 FL 27" frame Westinghouse is 22" in diameter. My new 27" frame LG WM2501HVA has the exact diameter spin basket, but it is 1.5 times deeper. ie 18" deep versus 12" deep.
A small 24" machine does NOT have a 22" diameter basket,it is several inches smaller in diameter.
The tub in a 24" machine is roughly the same size as a 27" machine's spin basket.
If one places the same clothes in a 24, 27 and 30" FL washer, each larger machine will appear less full, since it is really a less percentage filled.
If one places 12 oz of Coke Cola in a Tokyo McDonalds cup, it is a Large McDonalds Tokyo cup. In Dallas Texas it fills up a small size McDonalds cup, since a large cup there is often 24 to 32 oz.
When I was at a McDonalds in Munich about 20 years ago, the small cup was about just 6 or 8 oz, sort of like McDonalds used 40 years ago here in the USA.
If somebody in Europe places their weeks groceries in their European refrigerator, it too will be "more full" than if a typical Texas homeowners refrigerator was used, since the USA fridge is typically 1.5 to 3 times larger. Small dorm and small office fridges in the USA are often full sized items in other areas.
If the OZ/European/Japan/USA housewife each buys 2 cubic feet of goods for their fridge, each fills their own fridge a different percentage, since their fridges are all different sizes.
Many of us Americans just fill our washers, trucks, and fridges on what is required to do the job. ie these devices are filled less, because we tend to have bigger devices. Thus I purposely washed a weeks load of dark/colored items for 1 week, instead of waiting one month to "fill the machine up". If I would have custom ordered a smaller 24" machine last November it would do the job too, but the machine would be fuller, thus non USA folks would "feel better". In cars and trucks, my small car has just a 1.5 L motor. It gets better gas mileage than my bigger truck with 2.3L motor, but the insurance costs more. The small car has a high repair cost with a minor bump.
Try placing 6 folks with luggage in a 1971 VW Bug versus a 1971 Cadallac. The bug is fuller and has folks and luggage hanging out of the windows.
When one goes to a USA commercial coin laundromat, there are some giant machines that will take the equalvalent of many home USA washers of clothes. Normally folks use these for giant things like rugs.
Since most 27" USA machines are larger than non usa 24" FRAME machinces, for a given load of items the smaller machines are filled more in percentage. Many of us Americans are nor really bothered by others concerns of "not filling" or trucks,washers, fridges to please others. Buying extra food and clothes to fill our devices seems rather wastefull. Maybe the USA is more advanced in this issue of concerns about waste? Tripling my inventory to fill washers and fridges seems rather odd, so does many other non usa things too.
In clothes, here even if I bought 10 times the number of clothes I would still wash stuff weekly to prevent stains from setting. There are several other practical matters to, one remembers were one spilled stuff within a week, and lessor so after a month or two. We traveling all the time in California 2 decades ago, I had enough clothes to go 4 months, and wash loads could be always "FULL".
I have to comment--after having my Fridgemore for 4 years and 4 months, I"m findinng that a load of towels, if I fill it about 3/4 full, it has a tendency to balance a little better. It's only 3.1 cu. ft. with thick 30 x 52 towels, that works out to be about 4 sets of towels--towel, wash cloth, and maybe two or 3 hand towels. Any more than that, it has difficulty balancing. Same way with queen size sheets--one set does juset fine. I can cram two sets in, but it cannot balance hardly at all. Even with 3 said size sheets and a set of pillowcases, it still has difficulty balancing. I did ut 8 towels & wash clothes in a load two weeks ago (the very large and thick ones). I had to fold the towels up to get them to all fit in the machine with the fist at the top. It didn't have quite as difficult a time balancing, but rinsing was quite poor and had to do a short wash cycle to get all the soap out. Pretty discouraigng. But, I'm still using less water than my old Lady Shredmore, clothes are cleaner, are lasting longer, and taking less time to dry.
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Maybe the USA is more advanced in this issue of concerns abo
Well buying a machine much bigger than you could ever fill, therefore constantly running it very underloaded is about the most wasteful thing you can do in terms of laundry.
So no, I highly doubt that is the case, I suspect it's more the 'bigger is better' view that seems common in the U.S.
Many people here who opt for the new larger capacity machines (because the adverts told them to) are finding they cannot fill them, and are just wasting energy and water they needn't had they bought a machine sized correctly for their needs.
Same thing happens with refrigerators. Many people opt for the newer "American style" side by side refrigerators and never stand a chance of filling them anywhere near capacity, so they just sit there, half empty, using a hell of a lot more electricity than they need to to keep that amount of food cool. Madness!
It isn't just appliances either. Look at these people who buy such oversized televisons for tiny rooms. Yes, the screen may be bigger, but it's so big you can't fit anymore furniture in the room!
Don't even get me started on cars, why people buy 4x4s when they will NEVER take them off road and rarely, if ever, have weather bad enough to require them is beyond me, it's all status isn't it really. The vast majority of people I know need nothing bigger than a VW polo, yet waste stupid amounts of fuel lugging their Range Rovers and what not around!
If everyone bought houses, cars and appliances, which fulfilled their needs with minimal wastage, I'm sure we would save so much money, not to mention the environmental benefits. Society today is so obsessed with having goods as a status symbol, this is never going to happen though.
My machine is usually as full, if not slightly fuller than the top pictures.
Matt[this post was last edited: 2/5/2011-21:08]
Well buying a machine much bigger than you could ever fill, therefore constantly running it very underloaded is about the most wasteful thing you can do in terms of laundry.
So no, I highly doubt that is the case, I suspect it's more the 'bigger is better' view that seems common in the U.S.
Many people here who opt for the new larger capacity machines (because the adverts told them to) are finding they cannot fill them, and are just wasting energy and water they needn't had they bought a machine sized correctly for their needs.
Same thing happens with refrigerators. Many people opt for the newer "American style" side by side refrigerators and never stand a chance of filling them anywhere near capacity, so they just sit there, half empty, using a hell of a lot more electricity than they need to to keep that amount of food cool. Madness!
It isn't just appliances either. Look at these people who buy such oversized televisons for tiny rooms. Yes, the screen may be bigger, but it's so big you can't fit anymore furniture in the room!
Don't even get me started on cars, why people buy 4x4s when they will NEVER take them off road and rarely, if ever, have weather bad enough to require them is beyond me, it's all status isn't it really. The vast majority of people I know need nothing bigger than a VW polo, yet waste stupid amounts of fuel lugging their Range Rovers and what not around!
If everyone bought houses, cars and appliances, which fulfilled their needs with minimal wastage, I'm sure we would save so much money, not to mention the environmental benefits. Society today is so obsessed with having goods as a status symbol, this is never going to happen though.
My machine is usually as full, if not slightly fuller than the top pictures.
Matt[this post was last edited: 2/5/2011-21:08]
5kg load of normal darks I did today, just your average Cottons Universal 40<sup>o</sup>C cycle. Load consists of 2 pairs of jeans, pair of cords, 2 pairs of joggers (sweatpants), 3 t shirts, 2 shirts, a hoodie, and several boxers & socks. Just registered at 100% on the load sensor. Bear in mind this is of the "smaller" generation of European washers, my mum's 6kg Miele can hold quite a bit more.
Drum shot
Tumbling
And the rest - took me a few attempts to get this due to Miele's almost instantaneous reversing!
