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Good day everyone!

I'm fed up with modern washers. Everything today seems like garbage. They break down and they don't wash very well.
I currently have a Speed Queen and the balancers are plastic and they get shredded and wind up in the wash. It is only 3 years old; they said it would last 20.

So, I'm looking for a washer that can handle lots of towels, cleans well and is reliable. I assume there's an old popular model out there with parts that are obtainable. I just don't know what to look for or where to find it.
Is this possible?
What model(s) do you suggest I look for?
The model can be from 1950s up to whenever they still made reliable washers!
Thank you,
 
Hi!

Any Whirlpool DD (the ones with the rubber puck between the motor and the transmission), any Maytag before the 'Performa' junk.
Any GE Filter-Flo after 1959 (pump re-design).
Any Speed Queen before 2018 (sadly, the 2018/2019 Speed Queens were the only time they abandoned quality for trash. I have been assured their current offerings are back to the old standards, don't believe a word of it. Our 1969 Speed Queen works perfectly.)

Lorain Furniture has many youtube videos on excellent machines from the era your are considering. I have bought parts from him and was totally satisfied. His member name, here, is LorainFurniture.
 
A Whirlpool/Kenmore Direct Drive or a Maytag washer built from 1966 to 2006 will be your best bet since either can go for many years with little to no trouble other then motor coupler and agitator dogs on the Whirlpool direct drive washer.

The only downside is Whirlpool discontinued parts for the neutral drain pack in the direct drive washers since they’re evil, and might even discontinue motor couplers as well to force people into buying another machine since again they are evil, but I don’t think Whirlpool will discontinue the agitator dogs since many of their entry level belt drive washers (not to get confused with the belt drives made before 1986) use the same agitators as the direct drives did.

If you really want a reliable washer, a wringer is your best bet since there aren’t any timers to wear out or spin bearings to wear out but will require time and patience since there is manual labor involved since you have to manually wring the water out and will have to move the clothes to a rinse bucket and wring them out again if you are going to use a clothes line or dryer.
 
One should always get

Either donor machines and strip them for parts and order new parts which get used up or wear out when one finds a vintage washer.
The two neutral drain packs are soon going to be a bit harder to find - on the other hand, I have never had one fail. Those hockey pucks, well, buy the commercial kit and the commercial clutch and be done with it.
Whirlpool designed these washers too well, so they had to build in parts to fail every eight years or so.
 
Wow!
Thank you very much!
This is more than I expected.
I'll try to find some used washers near me and I'll run the models by you, if you don't mind.
I also was toying with the idea of getting a wringer but I would prefer to just throw clothes in the dryer and be done with it!
Thanks again,
P.S. I'll most likely create a duplicate question only for dishwashers but the forum wanted to keep everything separate. I'm actually more disappointed with my maytag dishwasher! it's way worse than the 15 year old kitchenaide that came with the house! lulz
 
I am curious though of this Speed Queen you have....

and would like to see pics of this balancer that is shredding apart.....never heard of such a thing...

willing to bet Alliance would want that machine back to investigate as to what happened....

the only time I have ever seen a balance ring get damaged is from a FL spider breaking and causing the front part of the tub to rub against the shroud...
 
That speed Queen is still under warranty.

If it’s only 3 years old it’s under warranty. Never heard of the balance ring on a speed Queen failing either. Post a pic, be interesting to see!
 
The SQ is still under warranty; 7 years left on a 10 year.
I'm not sure what the issue is. the repairman won't be here until Friday.
I'll watch him take it apart and go over my options. I'm not going to be happy if the part is just going to break again in 3 years...
I found a lot of shredded plastic in the drum and stuck between the top of the drum and the outer ring. So something disintegrated in there.
I did a GIS for shredded plastic in SQ and the best match I could find was that the SQ was getting out of balance and grinding against the bellows?. I never heard it make any noise. Every time I checked on it, you could barely hear any noise from it.
I didn't think I was overloading the wash but again, I really don't know what the issue is yet.
I'll reply after Friday when I get more information.

pic#1 some of the shredded white plastic pieces. there were larger pieces that I threw away.
pic#2 I don't know if you can see it, but there's plenty of finer plastic debris still stuck to the top of the rim on the right. so something in between there is getting destroyed.

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There is a service bulletin (FB19-1 dated Jan 2019) for SQ toploaders specifically circa 2018 (no model numbers stated) with stainless steel baskets regards to the basket balance ring contacting the tub cover during spin, indicated by damage/wear to both the surface of the balance ring and the tub cover*.

Fix is to replace the balance ring (P/N 39837), tub cover (P/N depends on the specific model), and wash tub (P/N 719P3, which presumably is the SS basket, not the outer tub).

*If only the tub cover is damaged then the problem is presumed due to user error such as gross overloading resulting in clothing items contacting the tub cover.
 
I sort of have an update.
The repairman won't be here until Tuesday because the parts won't be in this week.
They are going to replace the balance ring at the top even though they haven't looked at my washer yet.
And they said they have seen this problem before and are pretty sure how to fix it.
I'm more concerned about it happening again...
The wife and I are pretty sure we do NOT overload the drum; the clothes are always well below the rim.
I'll ask them next week and the hunt for a new dishwasher continues...
Stay tuned...
 
Follow the repair per the bulletin

The tech needs to follow the tech bulletin speed queen put out about the issue otherwise it will happen again.

Bulletin:(FB19-1 dated Jan 2019)

Updated parts (including parts numbers of revised parts) required are listed in post 11 by DADoEs.

This will prevent repeat failure. Speed Queen quality control has identified a problem and has updated parts to fix it, all parts affected by the update in the bulletin must be replaced to prevent repeat failure. Your tech seems to just be guessing, which is bad.

Speed Queen puts out bulletins for repairs to prevent repeat failures when revised parts or procedures are available, techs who don't follow bulletins cause repeat failures that get blamed on the company as a 'crap product'.

We had a bulletin on our Speed Queen, they had a revised torque for the drum pulley nut. at 7 loads of laundry 3X a week, Pulley began making noise after 7 months and I found the bulletin. First tech knew about the bulletin, performed it but didn't torque it to the revised spec, same problem happened again in less than 3 months. I tightened it myself to the revised torque and its still perfect to this day,!

Have him follow the bulletin as Speed Queen engineers wrote it and it wont happen again.

Keith
 
Agreed!
Do you know where I can download those bulletins? I saw one for the balance ring and FB19-13 which says there's a balance switch issue.
I can only see the titles not the details...
At the very least, I'll try to get the repairman to give me the bulletins.
Hopefully, he'll read them.
Thanks!
I greatly appreciate all of the support here!
 
I'm having zero luck finding any vintage washers near me.
The only GE washing machine I've found near me is this model for $25
WDRR2500K3WW
I can't seem to locate the year it was made or any specifications.
I assume this one is garbage but I thought I would ask.
Is there a list of vintage GE models to make my search easier?
Thanks,
 
Good morning everyone!
The saga continues, unfortunately...
Well, the repairman arrived and he knew about field bulletin 1. I mentioned FB-13 too and he said he'll check but there should have been an error code for that.
The bad news is that the manufacturer shipped the wrong part. They shipped the outer tub instead of the inner tub. The other 2 parts they got right.
The box was labelled correctly but the part inside was not.
I need to wait at least another week for the part to arrive.
So, this issue itself is that the tub and balance are rising UP during the cycle and grinding against the top cover causing all the plastic fragments.
The repairman assured me that the new parts have tighter tolerances and this issue won't happen again.
I assumed that the tub wasn't balanced and banging against the outer tub but that wasn't the case.
So, one mystery solved!
He said I can use the washer; if the plastic fragments come back, I'll just take a little off the top of the balance ring with my Dremel and see if that fixes it.
Until next week!
 
 
<blockquote>... I'll just take a little off the top of the balance ring with my Dremel and see if that fixes it.</blockquote> Be careful with that so as to not puncture into the ring.  They're partially-filled with water for a gyroscopic effect and won't function for balancing if empty of said fluid.
 
Yes, because we have power tools handy

For all of our vintage appliances, every time we use them....
Not.
(Insert boring list showing that, basically, we run our 1930s-1984 daily-driver appliances roughly ten years between fixes.)

Just grab the Dremel and grind 'er down 'till she fits.

I think you should try to get your money back for that lemon. Even Consumer Reports gave them the sole 'poor' rating in the organization's testing history for a top-loader that year.  2018 was, apparently, the end of what was once a great name in washers.

 

If this were Dirty Laundry, I'd add a few well-chosen words. 
 
I found 3 models for sale

Interesting news!
I found 3 models for sale about 1.5 hour drive away (best I can do so far)
They wouldn't give me the serial numbers but they did have the model numbers.
Are these models any good?
WTW5500SQ0 $300
LSV7233BW0 $250
MTW5600TQ1 $300

Thanks!
 
 
All are direct-drive.  Essentially equivalent in operation, some minor differences in features & settings.

Whirlpool WTW5500SQ0 = 2006 model-year

Whirlpool LSV7233BW0 = 1994 model-year

Maytag MTW5600TQ1 = 2007 model-year

Effective age may be slightly different than the model-year depending on manufacture date (coded in the serial number) and/or original purchase date (likely no way to know that).
 
Any of them will be better than the mess you now have

I'd go for the easiest one to get. Much as Whirlpool pretends Maytags are their 'premium' line, the truth is, from the lowest Crossley to the highest-end KA or Maytag, they're all the same inside where it really matters.

Do plan on somday replacing the drive 'puck' with the commercial one you should buy now (watch the Youtube videos, you can do it as a novice in 30 minutes, tops) and buy the commercial clutch pack.

I'm infamous around here for my lack of warmth toward Whirlpool. These machines, however, are good choices and will serve you far better than a 2018 SQ. Far longer between fixes, too!

 

 
 
Good news!
I bought the 1994 Whirlpool direct drive washer!
I'm going to clean it up a bit and then test it out.
I assume the "puck" you mentioned is the clutch?
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what that is exactly...
 
Not a clutch.

The Whirlpool experts will be along shortly to explain it in detail, but, basically, Whirlpool came up with a rather clever idea about 40 years ago or so. Hang the motor horizontally under the basket. Put the pump as directly driven on one end and drive the transmission through a slightly flexible 'puck' or, more properly 'motor coupler'.

It is designed to fail every few years which is why they made a commercial version which lasts forever in domestic use.
Same with the clutch plate - easily replaced with the commercial unit which lasts forever.
Here's a short video on them.

You'll like this machine It will clean for decades more!
 
Verify proper Neutral Drain

Just to throw out an alternative viewpoint from someone who lived through what you're going through (but in the 90's...and with a DD washer) I'm jaded on these damn DD washers everyone praises....I just want you to go into this with your eyes open to what can and does go wrong on these.

Every Direct Drive washer I've ever owned blew out the neutral drain assembly in under 5 years, I believe the OEM is no longer supporting parts for this washer, and aftermarket parts are available with mixed quality reviews, as is the timer assembly which I've also had fail on my DD washers.

You can tell if the neutral drain assembly is bad by watching the machine drain, it should drain with the tub still. If it slips into spin mode before the motor comes to a stop following a drain event, the neutral drain assembly is bad, and the transmission needs to be either pulled to replace the neutral drain kit, or a new (rebuilt at this point, new transmissions are likely NLA) transmission installed. Running the machine with a failed neutral drain kit will wear things out quickly (I gave up on my last DD after the second neutral drain kit failed 2 years after the first one failed) and I ran it like that cause I was so disgusted (I've owned 4 DD washers and every.single.one. had neutral drain issues so I gave up on paying to have it fixed). It killed the coupler first, then the spin clutch went. Most people I knew junked the washer after the first NDrain kit went, or ran it like I did till then thing blew itself apart. It was a big repair to pay for in a washer that was just out of warranty and people lost faith in the machine. Unlike your Speed Queen these things only had a 1 year (*maybe* 2) warranty when new.

Between timers, agitator dogs, and neutral drain issues I really have had terrible luck with my DD washers over the years. They work very well when they work. But they are not a miracle machine (nothing is). Just my experience. Seems people only remember the good points (they wash well) and gloss over the issues (already over 25 years old, parts not available, no tech will want to touch one, they were loud as hell, they were not even solidly reliable after a few years of regular use (at least with me)). I would have SQ fix your still under warranty washer, that is still supported with factory parts, has updated pars available to remedy the issue once and for all, and run that for 20 years or more.

Best of luck, I really mean that, I understand your frustration with your current washer because i've had the same exact frustration with the DD washers I've owned (a 1987 KM, a 1994 WP, a 2001 WP, 2005 WP) and they weren't in warranty (I had to pay for the experience). I kept buying DD machines because at the time they were cheaper than most alternative top loaders(between 5-600 bux adjusted for inflation) and when they worked they were decent at washing, also blindly thinking after 20 something years of production by that point they would have worked the problems out... hopefully your experience with longevity is better than ones I've had or my friends had back in the day. Again, my experience was not a great one, so I could never recommend one to someone, especially not nowadays unless you are an appliance tech, and have a stockpile of parts for future use.

all the best,
Keith
 
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