WAYMO Technology

[vacerator]

Chargers are one of the most stolen cars too.

 

[phillymatt53]

Chargers are one of the most stolen cars too.

Here, in the lovely "Sanctuary City" of Philly, a lot of car theft is due to illegals needing transportation, so they can distribute their drug wares.
Others, like the ghetto younger crowd, need a car for shoplifting.
Add in the reckless driving that results from all this, it should be interesting to see how some robo-vehicle deals with that!

 

[phillymatt53]

But if these cars are using radar to "see" I would think that they would be able to see better than any human ever could ever see in fog, heavy rain or blowing snow. I also assume there will be a time where self driving cars in the vicinity of each other will be able to communicate their intentions of where and what they are about to do to other cars around them. It would allows cars to say, "I am braking hard in 5 seconds" or "I am changing lanes," allowing the cars around them to react before their sensors even visually detect the movement.

Now, Robert, consider this...

Humans are not "perfect" beings, correct?
Some are close to being perfect, nevertheless everyone makes a "mistake" at one point in their lives.
And humans are the ones who design and build the products that other humans use.
Of course, advances in technology roll out due to human exploration and experimentation.
Usually the "first" attempts, even thoroughly tested products, have some issues.
Which then prompts things like Recalls.
The self-driving Tesla's, with all their technology have already shown that they are not perfect.
Once such case, I think near here in Philly, was when a driver put the car on "auto-pilot" and took a nap.
On the highway, the Tesla plowed into another car that had to stop suddenly.
I think the Tesla passenger died, not sure.

Bottom line is.... robo vehicles are made by non-perfect humans, regardless of technology.

 

[foraloysius]

There was a time we dreamed about to live like the Jetsons. And now we see only problems with progress.

To quote Statler and Waldorf: The future ain’t what it used to be.

 

[phillymatt53]

There was a time we dreamed about to live like the Jetsons. And now we see only problems with progress.

To quote Statler and Waldorf: The future ain’t what it used to be.

Agreed!

Growing up in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, I've naturally seen the changes due to technological advancements.
And I've also noticed how they affected humanity.
In enough of cases, its manipulated how society acts, thinks, and behaves.
Jumping forward to the present day, it's also clear how it has affected the mindsets of humans.

I've stated before of how I prefer to cling to simplicity, independence, and hold onto my own individualism, centering on staying "human" and the good values that I grew up with, and not relying on much of technology, regardless of how "convenient" it claims to be.

People have joked that "I'm living in the past", or "living in my own world".
And what's so bad about that???
What's wrong with not being so "Lazy" or shallow that I need some technology to do what I've always done?

Like washing the dishes by hand in the sink.
I don't need to toss them in the dishwasher until its full enough to do a load.
I don't mind turning on the flatscreen TV with the button on the set.
And I'm not so crippled in my brain that I have to call in a repairman to replace the flapper valve in my toilet. - by using some "app" on a cellphone.

People have gotten brainwashed, dumbed-down, lazy, manipulated, turned into puppets....
Not all, mind you, but enough to annoy me.

 

[Unimatic1140]

Now, Robert, consider this...

Humans are not "perfect" beings, correct?
Some are close to being perfect, nevertheless everyone makes a "mistake" at one point in their lives.
And humans are the ones who design and build the products that other humans use.
Of course, advances in technology roll out due to human exploration and experimentation.
Usually the "first" attempts, even thoroughly tested products, have some issues.
Which then prompts things like Recalls.
The self-driving Tesla's, with all their technology have already shown that they are not perfect.
Once such case, I think near here in Philly, was when a driver put the car on "auto-pilot" and took a nap.
On the highway, the Tesla plowed into another car that had to stop suddenly.
I think the Tesla passenger died, not sure.

Bottom line is.... robo vehicles are made by non-perfect humans, regardless of technology.

No one said that they were perfect or will ever achieve a 100% error free rate. However in time I have little doubt that these self driving vehicles will be much safer than human driven vehicles. From what I've read about Waymo they may be very close to that goal.

 

[phillymatt53]

No one said that they were perfect or will ever achieve a 100% error free rate. However in time I have little doubt that these self driving vehicles will be much safer than human driven vehicles. From what I've read about Waymo they may be very close to that goal.

I gotta say that your "In Time" and "will ever achive a 100% error free" means that during that people's lives are potentially at stake.
If one person dies due to it, it's one too many, and think of their families loss.
Do we have to succumb to being the Sacrificial Lambs of technology?

How many people have already been lost by driving and clutching that cellphone while driving?
Thanks to technology.
I was almost hit walking to the mailbox by a numbnut driver not looking where he's going.

Trusting, relying on technology without thinking, can be a dangerous thing.

 

[DADoES]

Technology .... people have been injured/killed and property damaged by them for the entire duration that motorized vehicles (including boats and planes and trains) have existed.

 

[johnb300m]

I gotta say that your "In Time" and "will ever achive a 100% error free" means that during that people's lives are potentially at stake.
If one person dies due to it, it's one too many, and think of their families loss.
Do we have to succumb to being the Sacrificial Lambs of technology?

How many people have already been lost by driving and clutching that cellphone while driving?
Thanks to technology.
I was almost hit walking to the mailbox by a numbnut driver not looking where he's going.

Trusting, relying on technology without thinking, can be a dangerous thing.

 

[Unimatic1140]

I gotta say that your "In Time" and "will ever achive a 100% error free" means that during that people's lives are potentially at stake.
If one person dies due to it, it's one too many, and think of their families loss.
Do we have to succumb to being the Sacrificial Lambs of technology?

Now apply your statement above to the first humans riding horses, horse-drawn carriages, boats, trains, cars, airplanes and wringer washers (which occasionally killed housewives and other bystanders). We'd be living in caves and our lives would be a lot more dangerous without creating new technology, fixing the bugs and learning how to use it properly.

No one will ever force you to take a self-driving car Matt if you're not comfortable with the idea. However, the majority of us will gladly embrace technology to make our lives easier. I can't wait personally. While I love my vintage automatics and my personal opinion on them is that their overall performance is better than the new washers (same with my vintage dishwashers), the majority of new tech is overall safer and more convenient to use.

 

[maytag85]

I’ll put it this way, I have nothing against technology, but when you change things just for the sake of doing so and not because it’s needed along with pushing for stuff that’s not needed, it will cause people just to become complacent and so forth.

Nothing is dangerous, it’s simply because people are and haven’t learned how to master it.

 

[william8]

People have gotten brainwashed, dumbed-down, lazy, manipulated, turned into puppets....
Not all, mind you, but enough to annoy me.

And you are a prime example. Change the channel.

 

[me]

I guess because I posted that old carpark video, this waymo came up as a YT recommendation:



Thought I'd add these here, as it wasn't worth another post

 

[phillymatt53]

I guess because I posted that old carpark video, this waymo came up as a YT recommendation:

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
The guy would have done better to take a bus to the airport!
See?....."Technology" has the power to disrupt your life too.
Someone here will chime in with "It's only a one-time thing" of course.
Keep sticking up for those technological advantages!
I'm sittin' here laughing my ass off!

 

[phillymatt53]

No one will ever force you to take a self-driving car Matt if you're not comfortable with the idea. However, the majority of us will gladly embrace technology to make our lives easier. I can't wait personally. While I love my vintage automatics and my personal opinion on them is that their overall performance is better than the new washers (same with my vintage dishwashers), the majority of new tech is overall safer and more convenient to use.

Robert, you're what?... In your 30s?
You've really have no real-life experience of living in the world before you were born, and how could you, asides from hearing stories from some elders, watching some TV or videos, or Google.
I'm not talking about prehistoric times living in caves.
You never experienced day-to-day living of the 50's, 60's, 70s' etc.
And mind you, it's not your fault.

However, society has been "conditioned" to accept, and as you stated, to "embrace" things with open arms, without question, for Face Value.
That's the power of Marketing, making things attractive, making corporations money, and making society spend money.
A lot of "technology" is great, I will admit, but it's gotten to the point that it's wildly overbearing.
Vacuum cleaners, washing machines, toilets, vehicles..... convenient!

However, technology has grown to the point that things have taken away most of the previous values that humans always survived and relied upon, like common sense.

 

[johnb300m]

Robert, you're what?... In your 30s?
You've really have no real-life experience of living in the world before you were born, and how could you, asides from hearing stories from some elders, watching some TV or videos, or Google.
I'm not talking about prehistoric times living in caves.
You never experienced day-to-day living of the 50's, 60's, 70s' etc.
And mind you, it's not your fault.

However, society has been "conditioned" to accept, and as you stated, to "embrace" things with open arms, without question, for Face Value.
That's the power of Marketing, making things attractive, making corporations money, and making society spend money.
A lot of "technology" is great, I will admit, but it's gotten to the point that it's wildly overbearing.
Vacuum cleaners, washing machines, toilets, vehicles..... convenient!

However, technology has grown to the point that things have taken away most of the previous values that humans always survived and relied upon, like common sense.

Jeez why are you even on the internet?

“I un-friend you.”

 

[maytag85]

“The majority of new tech is overall safer and more convenient to use”

Yeah that’s true, until it’s not. You have to remember they are NOT using standardized gear shifts in late model vehicles, it’s really difficult to tell what gear you are in since the shifter returns back to its resting position. As a result, you may unintentionally put the vehicle in neutral instead of park, may not realize until it’s too late and the vehicle rolls away on you.

Actor Anton Yelchin lost his life to his 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee since it used a dial shifter, it’s difficult to tell what gear you are in and there’s nothing to tell you what gear you are in other than the letters that light up (difficult to tell when it’s sunny outside), as a result it was left in drive or neutral, rolled back and pinned him behind the gate and vehicle which is what took his life.

There’s also the electric door handles on EVs and Teslas that require electricity to operate, if you get into a crash and the vehicle bursts into flames, they simply will not work. Sure, there’s the emergency release but when the vehicle bursts into flames, every second matters. As a result, some people lost their lives to an EV fire. Some people may say “Why no just break the windows?”, unfortunately they are using laminated windows on the door windows which is the same way a windshield is constructed, as a result they can’t easily be broken.

 

[Unimatic1140]

Robert, you're what?... In your 30s?
You've really have no real-life experience of living in the world before you were born, and how could you, asides from hearing stories from some elders, watching some TV or videos, or Google.
I'm not talking about prehistoric times living in caves.
You never experienced day-to-day living of the 50's, 60's, 70s' etc.
And mind you, it's not your fault.

However, society has been "conditioned" to accept, and as you stated, to "embrace" things with open arms, without question, for Face Value.
That's the power of Marketing, making things attractive, making corporations money, and making society spend money.
A lot of "technology" is great, I will admit, but it's gotten to the point that it's wildly overbearing.
Vacuum cleaners, washing machines, toilets, vehicles..... convenient!

However, technology has grown to the point that things have taken away most of the previous values that humans always survived and relied upon, like common sense.

Lol, Matt you're digging this hole deeper. I'm retired, in my 60s and on Social Security. I clearly remember many things about the 60s.

 

[phillymatt53]

Lol, Matt you're digging this hole deeper. I'm retired, in my 60s and on Social Security. I clearly remember many things about the 60s.

My apologies on mistaking your age, it isn't listed on here, the only thing I could judge from and assume from was that photo of some younger guy standing on a snowy street holding a bottle of fabric softener.
https://automaticwasher.org/media/me-being-my-usual-silly-self-jpg.3655/

 

[phillymatt53]

“The majority of new tech is overall safer and more convenient to use”

Yeah that’s true, until it’s not. You have to remember they are NOT using standardized gear shifts in late model vehicles, it’s really difficult to tell what gear you are in since the shifter returns back to its resting position. As a result, you may unintentionally put the vehicle in neutral instead of park, may not realize until it’s too late and the vehicle rolls away on you.

Actor Anton Yelchin lost his life to his 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee since it used a dial shifter, it’s difficult to tell what gear you are in and there’s nothing to tell you what gear you are in other than the letters that light up (difficult to tell when it’s sunny outside), as a result it was left in drive or neutral, rolled back and pinned him behind the gate and vehicle which is what took his life.

There’s also the electric door handles on EVs and Teslas that require electricity to operate, if you get into a crash and the vehicle bursts into flames, they simply will not work. Sure, there’s the emergency release but when the vehicle bursts into flames, every second matters. As a result, some people lost their lives to an EV fire. Some people may say “Why no just break the windows?”, unfortunately they are using laminated windows on the door windows which is the same way a windshield is constructed, as a result they can’t easily be broken.

I heard something about that tragic accident of Anton's.
Goes to show that auto vehicles aren't thought out completely in case something happens or goes wrong.
One more reason that "technology" isn't always a good thing.
And that imperfect humans designed things like that.

 

[phillymatt53]

When safety calculations are made to determine whether something is "safe" or not, it is assumed that a human being makes a mistake every one thousand hours.
For electronic stuff, the minimum acceptable rate is one mistake every million hours, but if human lives are involved, it must be no more than one mistake every billion hours.
But sadly the rules are applied quite "easily" for cars.

On my workbench, whether servicing a customer's product, or designing something of my own from scratch, I always make "sure" that everything's covered as far as safety is concerned.
I even consider "abuse" and "misuse", so if something should happen, it's not going to cause any harm.

 

[Unimatic1140]

My apologies on mistaking your age, it isn't listed on here, the only thing I could judge from and assume from was that photo of some younger guy standing on a snowy street holding a bottle of fabric softener.
https://automaticwasher.org/media/me-being-my-usual-silly-self-jpg.3655/

No worries, that is a picture of me from 25 years ago. It's an old image for sure!

 

[phillymatt53]

No worries, that is a picture of me from 25 years ago. It's an old image for sure!

I'll be you didn't have much trouble getting dates back then.

 

[maytag85]

I heard something about that tragic accident of Anton's.
Goes to show that auto vehicles aren't thought out completely in case something happens or goes wrong.
One more reason that "technology" isn't always a good thing.
And that imperfect humans designed things like that.

It’s not that I am against technology, more so about things that aren’t standardized.

It became mandatory in the 1960’s for the PRNDL shift quadrant (interestingly enough, Ford used that particular shift quadrant starting in 1951), should also be mandatory for the gear selector to be actually connected to the transmission as opposed to doing it electronically or have the gear selector to return to the middle position making it difficult to tell what gear you are in.

Should also be mandatory for the brakes and steering to actually be connected as well. If either of those systems were to fail, would be fatal since you’d loose your ability to steer or brake. Brake by wire sounds more dangerous than a single circuit master cylinder.

 

[vacerator]

Software and firmware hacking is another concern I have with self driving cars and other automated systems. Traffic signaling, etc.

 

[foraloysius]

Traffic signaling? A lot of people don’t bother, so it’s something that’s easily improved!

 

[phillymatt53]

It’s not that I am against technology, more so about things that aren’t standardized.

It became mandatory in the 1960’s for the PRNDL shift quadrant (interestingly enough, Ford used that particular shift quadrant starting in 1951), should also be mandatory for the gear selector to be actually connected to the transmission as opposed to doing it electronically or have the gear selector to return to the middle position making it difficult to tell what gear you are in.

Should also be mandatory for the brakes and steering to actually be connected as well. If either of those systems were to fail, would be fatal since you’d loose your ability to steer or brake. Brake by wire sounds more dangerous than a single circuit master cylinder.

You hit on all good points there.
The standardization of vehicle controls should be an "across the board" mandate as it used to be.
I watched those videos that you posted, and shook my head, thinking what the hell has happened to this world?
Who in hell is behind all this so-called innovation and design garbage?
But, I saw this coming decades ago, when my 1996 Lincoln Mk VIII had that LCD screen in the middle of the dashboard.
At least it's still got a traditional shifter on the center console.

Those idiotic touch screens that I saw are distractions and potential dangers waiting to happen.
Same goes for those TV screens.
We don't need such entertainment in a moving car, just drive the damn thing!
Concentrate on getting safely to your destination.

 

[pstehle]

I just saw this news reel; Waymo car seen by camera passing school bus with door open and students boarding.

Not ever, ever riding in one of those... the first street tests were here in Phoenix, so there are a lot of them, because more people are familiar. I want to have a real human driving so I can choke the crap out of them right before we drive off a cliff!

 

[phillymatt53]

Not ever, ever riding in one of those... the first street tests were here in Phoenix, so there are a lot of them, because more people are familiar. I want to have a real human driving so I can choke the crap out of them right before we drive off a cliff!

Reminds me of one of my favorite movies with Susan Sarandon and Brad Pitt.
"Thelma And Louise"
It just tears me up to see one of my favorite Thunderbirds go off a cliff.

 

[me]

Not ever, ever riding in one of those... the first street tests were here in Phoenix, so there are a lot of them, because more people are familiar. I want to have a real human driving so I can choke the crap out of them right before we drive off a cliff!

Would you settle for a Johnny Cab