whirlpool862
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What do you think is the best modern washer to buy outside of Speed Queen?
What is the best modern washer to buy (outside Speed Queen)?
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Deep wash and rinse fill, none stingy accurate auto fill, porcelain on steal tub, old fashioned straight vane agitator, brisk thorough agitation, relatively fast cycle, relatively no none-sense cycle sequence, 1/2HP motor, beefed up critical parts.
Pat has great videos of this machine and he loves it.
Out of all of Whirlpool's modern machines this comes closest to a direct drive.
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Deep wash and rinse fill, none stingy accurate auto fill, porcelain on steal tub, old fashioned straight vane agitator, brisk thorough agitation, relatively fast cycle, relatively no none-sense cycle sequence, 1/2HP motor, beefed up critical parts.
Pat has great videos of this machine and he loves it.
Out of all of Whirlpool's modern machines this comes closest to a direct drive.
Best modern automatic washer other than Speed Queen
my first recommendations would go to a whirlpool or Maytag front loader second to that you might buy an LG front load washer if there’s good service available where you live, after that it’s sort of a tossup between GE front load and maybe a Samsung front loader the one that gives us the most trouble or full-size Electrolux front loaders but they still work pretty well.
When you can consider all the expenses in life $2200 for a Speed Queen front load washer is not much when you consider that you can get upwards of 30 years out of it, but I know people don’t all have that kind of money and you have to make compromises, that’s maybe when I’d start looking for a used washer. So you can save up for a good machine in the meantime.
John L
my first recommendations would go to a whirlpool or Maytag front loader second to that you might buy an LG front load washer if there’s good service available where you live, after that it’s sort of a tossup between GE front load and maybe a Samsung front loader the one that gives us the most trouble or full-size Electrolux front loaders but they still work pretty well.
When you can consider all the expenses in life $2200 for a Speed Queen front load washer is not much when you consider that you can get upwards of 30 years out of it, but I know people don’t all have that kind of money and you have to make compromises, that’s maybe when I’d start looking for a used washer. So you can save up for a good machine in the meantime.
John L
maytaglover68
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Don’t buy top loading Whirlpool tho, they are junk. Repair them almost every day. VMW’s use undersized gearcase, belt, and motor.
Their Gearcase is also made of plastic on the inside, and they are just made to fail after 3 years. The newest VMW’s are worse and don’t clean well at all.
The dual action and the straight vane ones clean the best in my opinion but they have the same reliability problems.
No VMW will clean as well as any older machines (including the Model-T lol).
Impeller VMWs and VMAXs are the worst, especially the higher end ones. I’d love to get rid of mine and buy a direct drive, bearings failed on it anyways so it’s not worth to fix it.
At this point, I can’t recommend any new washer outside of speed Queen. The GE’s and Whirlpool’s just aren’t good anymore.
The last good washer Whirlpool made was the direct drive, anything VMW or VMAX is junk.
Their Gearcase is also made of plastic on the inside, and they are just made to fail after 3 years. The newest VMW’s are worse and don’t clean well at all.
The dual action and the straight vane ones clean the best in my opinion but they have the same reliability problems.
No VMW will clean as well as any older machines (including the Model-T lol).
Impeller VMWs and VMAXs are the worst, especially the higher end ones. I’d love to get rid of mine and buy a direct drive, bearings failed on it anyways so it’s not worth to fix it.
At this point, I can’t recommend any new washer outside of speed Queen. The GE’s and Whirlpool’s just aren’t good anymore.
The last good washer Whirlpool made was the direct drive, anything VMW or VMAX is junk.
pierreandreply4
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my advice go with a use refurbish as new direct drive
My advice is go with a use refurbish whirlpool kenmore direct drive like these that you can repair restore yourself if you have the talent
My advice is go with a use refurbish whirlpool kenmore direct drive like these that you can repair restore yourself if you have the talent
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I stand with chetlaham.
I stand with chetlaham.
panasonicvac
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LG
That's the ONLY new washer I'd buy these days is an LG front loader. My local technician recommended them and don't have any regrets since owning one.
That's the ONLY new washer I'd buy these days is an LG front loader. My local technician recommended them and don't have any regrets since owning one.
LG
My family has had LG for years, starting with my mom back in 2007. It would clean just about anything from under the sun from the most delicate sweaters, to the filthiest and smelliest sturdy cottons.
My family has had LG for years, starting with my mom back in 2007. It would clean just about anything from under the sun from the most delicate sweaters, to the filthiest and smelliest sturdy cottons.
Reply #3
"No VMW will clean as well as any older machines (including the Model-T lol)".
Don't agree with that.With experience of using a commercial Whirlpool for 2 years, have had very different results.
You fixing them is one thing, but have you used one continually for any length of time to make such a claim ?
I basically used those machines for 4 years and they were decent.(agitator versions)
Whirlpool deserves their lumps for their recent practises but I would still choose one of their "commercial" machines over a GE anything.
I'll take my chances knowing full well that today ALL brands have built-in planned obsolescence. So why does Whirlpool get picked on particularly ?
Other than very expensive Speed Queens or foreign Miele, there really is no one to choose from other than foreign brands LG and Samsung and whatever else.
"No VMW will clean as well as any older machines (including the Model-T lol)".
Don't agree with that.With experience of using a commercial Whirlpool for 2 years, have had very different results.
You fixing them is one thing, but have you used one continually for any length of time to make such a claim ?
I basically used those machines for 4 years and they were decent.(agitator versions)
Whirlpool deserves their lumps for their recent practises but I would still choose one of their "commercial" machines over a GE anything.
I'll take my chances knowing full well that today ALL brands have built-in planned obsolescence. So why does Whirlpool get picked on particularly ?
Other than very expensive Speed Queens or foreign Miele, there really is no one to choose from other than foreign brands LG and Samsung and whatever else.
lg
I love the LG with turbo wash in the front load platform. I have the Kenmore Elite version and it has LG characteristics. I can get away with using a single pod. Oh, and I use fabric softener for freshness, softness, and suds control.
I love the LG with turbo wash in the front load platform. I have the Kenmore Elite version and it has LG characteristics. I can get away with using a single pod. Oh, and I use fabric softener for freshness, softness, and suds control.
I have this fight all the time with my pharmacist dad.
He’s always complaining about how everyone is sick and miserable and hopped up on drugs.
Duhhh that’s who you deal with in the daily.
You literally DON’T see the healthy people.
It seems like some of you here are only seeing the broken washers.
But there are ones out there chugging away fine.
Now I’m not going to make excuses for Whirlpool. They’ve taken cheapness and planned obsolescence to the extreme, where it might sink their company.
But that doesn’t meant there are no machines out there working perfectly fine!
The VMW is a GOOD design.
There are 3 VMWs in my extended family and all their clothes are perfectly clean.
There is even a GE wash plate TL washer in the family and it’s pushing 5yrs already trouble free. (One sample size yes).
The VMW has just unfortunately been cheapened too much lately where component failures are higher than usual.
That can be fixed if WP so chooses.
They will sink or swim otherwise.
He’s always complaining about how everyone is sick and miserable and hopped up on drugs.
Duhhh that’s who you deal with in the daily.
You literally DON’T see the healthy people.
It seems like some of you here are only seeing the broken washers.
But there are ones out there chugging away fine.
Now I’m not going to make excuses for Whirlpool. They’ve taken cheapness and planned obsolescence to the extreme, where it might sink their company.
But that doesn’t meant there are no machines out there working perfectly fine!
The VMW is a GOOD design.
There are 3 VMWs in my extended family and all their clothes are perfectly clean.
There is even a GE wash plate TL washer in the family and it’s pushing 5yrs already trouble free. (One sample size yes).
The VMW has just unfortunately been cheapened too much lately where component failures are higher than usual.
That can be fixed if WP so chooses.
They will sink or swim otherwise.
The current whirlpool top load washers VMW machine machines
Are better than ever the first five years of these machines were a lot of problems. They’re not having problems with them anymore, except an extreme use situations.
Whirlpool’s worst top loading washers were the last three years of the direct drives.And the first 5 years of the VMW machines Everything seemed to go wrong with those prematurely.
Maytag lover 68 is just getting batches of machines in from who knows where he has no idea how they were used. They could’ve been in nursing homes and everything else in between.
We have quite an advantage because we normally work for the customer with the machine and we often see what they’re doing wrong to cause these early failures, anytime you have a bearing failure you have a seal failure and something made the seal go bad we can often see what the customer is doing wrong usually it’s far too little detergent and cheap detergent, etc.
A modern top load washer with strut failures within 10 years has had a hell of a lot of use thousands of loads for that type of failure.
I have seen zero sign that whirlpool quality has deteriorated. In more than a decade I have not seen a new whirlpool Appliance out of the box that didn’t work perfectly, I just got done installing new appliances today and as usual everything works perfectly.
Just got done replacing a 20 year-old duet dryer with a new whirlpool dryer this afternoon. She’s already had the whirlpool front load washer since 2019 in a family of six with zero problems. The plastic door is holding up beautifully. It’s really a nice design if you look at it, it has a much better shape than the glass doors on front load washers.
John L
Are better than ever the first five years of these machines were a lot of problems. They’re not having problems with them anymore, except an extreme use situations.
Whirlpool’s worst top loading washers were the last three years of the direct drives.And the first 5 years of the VMW machines Everything seemed to go wrong with those prematurely.
Maytag lover 68 is just getting batches of machines in from who knows where he has no idea how they were used. They could’ve been in nursing homes and everything else in between.
We have quite an advantage because we normally work for the customer with the machine and we often see what they’re doing wrong to cause these early failures, anytime you have a bearing failure you have a seal failure and something made the seal go bad we can often see what the customer is doing wrong usually it’s far too little detergent and cheap detergent, etc.
A modern top load washer with strut failures within 10 years has had a hell of a lot of use thousands of loads for that type of failure.
I have seen zero sign that whirlpool quality has deteriorated. In more than a decade I have not seen a new whirlpool Appliance out of the box that didn’t work perfectly, I just got done installing new appliances today and as usual everything works perfectly.
Just got done replacing a 20 year-old duet dryer with a new whirlpool dryer this afternoon. She’s already had the whirlpool front load washer since 2019 in a family of six with zero problems. The plastic door is holding up beautifully. It’s really a nice design if you look at it, it has a much better shape than the glass doors on front load washers.
John L
John, are you not seeing an uptick in control board/water level sensors, or drain pump failures in your service area?
There’s even a service pointer out on those.
I hear it’s a lot …. Though I cannot confirm.
Further context from my last comment. There are 4 VMWs in my sphere. One is a Maytag TL about 4yrs old.
It has a cracked, leaky fill valve. Worn out suspension rods. And something odd with the controller. I don’t know exactly, but my friend only described it as “my wife has to fingerb@#g it to get the cycle selected.
There’s even a service pointer out on those.
I hear it’s a lot …. Though I cannot confirm.
Further context from my last comment. There are 4 VMWs in my sphere. One is a Maytag TL about 4yrs old.
It has a cracked, leaky fill valve. Worn out suspension rods. And something odd with the controller. I don’t know exactly, but my friend only described it as “my wife has to fingerb@#g it to get the cycle selected.
John, perhaps you missed my mention that a WP French door 'fridge bought new for my mother's house last November had the rear screw somehow mis-installed on the left-side rail of the refrigerator/deli drawer such that the drawer was jammed from opening, until I gave it a strong yank ... then found the offending screw hanging loose.
This is Whirlpool's explanation of the problem:
"Whirlpool experienced an increase in service claims for this issue in early 2024 and its investigation identified that the supplier of the pressure sensor for these control boards provided a batch of sensors that may malfunction prematurely. The supplier did not control and quarantine these parts, and suspect sensors were mixed into lots that included sensors meeting specifications. Therefore, Whirlpool could not itself isolate and rework the controls in its inventory featuring the suspect sensors."
So it's one batch of sensors spread over a bit more than a year's worth of washers. I don't see why there would be any reason to doubt John that he hasn't run into massive amounts of this issue - likely, the percentage of units affected is relatively low, and perhaps it's just not something that really hit his customer base or even his area. But we can't forget nearly 20,000 of these washers are being made per day - for such a high volume appliance, something that affects a small proportion of units means there's going to be a a large raw number of complaints and service calls about this.
I'm not a big fan of modern Whirlpool by any means, but I'm sorry, the claims some people are making that the VMW is finished, or even that Whirlpool is going to go out of business because of this problem (lol) are just ridiculous. Anyone who's been in this industry for more than a couple years knows that Whirlpool and other manufacturers have had to deal with issues with far worse than this before.
"Whirlpool experienced an increase in service claims for this issue in early 2024 and its investigation identified that the supplier of the pressure sensor for these control boards provided a batch of sensors that may malfunction prematurely. The supplier did not control and quarantine these parts, and suspect sensors were mixed into lots that included sensors meeting specifications. Therefore, Whirlpool could not itself isolate and rework the controls in its inventory featuring the suspect sensors."
So it's one batch of sensors spread over a bit more than a year's worth of washers. I don't see why there would be any reason to doubt John that he hasn't run into massive amounts of this issue - likely, the percentage of units affected is relatively low, and perhaps it's just not something that really hit his customer base or even his area. But we can't forget nearly 20,000 of these washers are being made per day - for such a high volume appliance, something that affects a small proportion of units means there's going to be a a large raw number of complaints and service calls about this.
I'm not a big fan of modern Whirlpool by any means, but I'm sorry, the claims some people are making that the VMW is finished, or even that Whirlpool is going to go out of business because of this problem (lol) are just ridiculous. Anyone who's been in this industry for more than a couple years knows that Whirlpool and other manufacturers have had to deal with issues with far worse than this before.
Reply #15
I guess the thing that would cause concern is that Bosch was looking to buy Whirlpool. Either Whirlpool is in trouble or Bosch wants something of whirlpools tech ?
I guess the thing that would cause concern is that Bosch was looking to buy Whirlpool. Either Whirlpool is in trouble or Bosch wants something of whirlpools tech ?
It seems there are numerous and complex factors that come into play on appliance manufacturing. Who woulda thunk it??
I don't think it's unusual that some person or business entity has interest in buying something. That doesn't mean the target is currently on-offer ... although anything is for sale at the right price, as that saying goes, and at the right time.
My mother expressed interest in buying their property to the owners of a nice house in town if/when they want to sell. They remembered some eight years later when they wanted to downsize and relocate ... it has been our family home for 42 years.
