Tide pods for colors and Boardwalk powder for whites. No problems.
What Is Your Preferred Detergent of Choice?
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Persil ProClean + Stain Fighter for everything except black clothing.
Perwoll Renew & Repair for blacks.
Perwoll Renew & Repair for blacks.
At the moment, a couple bottles of Gain for everything but whites, which get powdered Tide with Bleach. Some packages of Tide pods purchased opportunistically. Honestly, though, prefer Persil, but they've not been promoted as heavily recently. I tried Hero (was at Target, I think) which smelled wonderful--pleasantly masculine pine/lavender scent. Not sure how good it was (those specialty liquids seem to be missing some enzymes) but it sure smelt great.
I've been using Persil ProClean and Proclean All in One for a couple of years now. They clean very well. I also like that it doesn't have any floral fragrances.
kenmoreguy89
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Whatever powdered with oxygen bleach at least with 15% content, and possibly with few to no zeolites (p&g stuff have max 5%, stuff from Henkel like persil 0%).
As long as they have the basic 2-3 enzymes kinds I'm ok. Protease amylase and lipase. Good if there also is cellulase. It helps alot used in machines lacking a lint filter and when I line dry.
As a builder I also avoid products containing too much washing soda.
I don't have a favourite detergent because I noticed that each machine likes different detergents.
I mean what performs very well in a machine does not necessarily do in another one.
For example I'm currently stashed up with a lot of Surf from Unilever for east Europe market.
It does incredibly well in the speed queen but in the whirlpool BD not so well.
Also the whirlpool likes much more detergents that don't suds much, which is not the case for the surf but but I don't get the same results I get in the speed queen with it.
In turn I got beautiful results with others in the whirlpoil that i didn't get with the speed Queen.
As long as they have the basic 2-3 enzymes kinds I'm ok. Protease amylase and lipase. Good if there also is cellulase. It helps alot used in machines lacking a lint filter and when I line dry.
As a builder I also avoid products containing too much washing soda.
I don't have a favourite detergent because I noticed that each machine likes different detergents.
I mean what performs very well in a machine does not necessarily do in another one.
For example I'm currently stashed up with a lot of Surf from Unilever for east Europe market.
It does incredibly well in the speed queen but in the whirlpool BD not so well.
Also the whirlpool likes much more detergents that don't suds much, which is not the case for the surf but but I don't get the same results I get in the speed queen with it.
In turn I got beautiful results with others in the whirlpoil that i didn't get with the speed Queen.
kenmoreguy89
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Same is for the front loaders/h axis I have.
And the others.
Also, where I live now we use well water, so hard, and the previous machines used everyday like the GE filterflo or the DD whirlpool I used them in town with city water which was still very hard but not as much as the one we use now. And just a different kind of water.
Different water also makes a lot of difference,
That is something that had been discussed a lot everywhere and it's true, water kind is crucial and some detergents does better based on water they are used.
And the others.
Also, where I live now we use well water, so hard, and the previous machines used everyday like the GE filterflo or the DD whirlpool I used them in town with city water which was still very hard but not as much as the one we use now. And just a different kind of water.
Different water also makes a lot of difference,
That is something that had been discussed a lot everywhere and it's true, water kind is crucial and some detergents does better based on water they are used.
ozzie908
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Have recently started using additive tablets
In every wash to reduce limescale etc and can get excellent results using less detergent and of now am using Daz Professional as it has a higher bleaching content for whites and a colour capsule for the rest both seem to work well now and the limescale in my washer is easy to remove it just flakes off.
Never had this problem up until recently I always used Persil and it used to stop build up of everything but it seems the recipe has been changed and I am guessing the bit that prevented the lime has been taken out.....
Austin
In every wash to reduce limescale etc and can get excellent results using less detergent and of now am using Daz Professional as it has a higher bleaching content for whites and a colour capsule for the rest both seem to work well now and the limescale in my washer is easy to remove it just flakes off.
Never had this problem up until recently I always used Persil and it used to stop build up of everything but it seems the recipe has been changed and I am guessing the bit that prevented the lime has been taken out.....
Austin
What’s everyone’s opinion of Arm & Hammer Clean Burst scent detergent? Does it clean well? Is the scent strong? Has anyone had any allergic reactions to it? Would you use it as a daily driver? I’ve never used it but am curious. Also does it fade clothing?
Thanks,
Barry
Thanks,
Barry
sudsmaster
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In my Neptune MAH 7500, typically I add a tbs of STPP, followed by enough Kirkland Ultraclean liquid detergent, to create a very low level of suds. And that amount of the liquid can vary a lot - small amount for bath towels, much larger amount for street/work clothes.
Arm & Hammer detergents.. well I used them for years along with other cheap stuff like ERA and while I thought they were doing a good job but it wasn't until I switched to Persil a few years ago that I noticed my clothes were noticeably brighter and cleaner looking. I'd never go back to using A&H detergents.
Mine is
Tide power pods original.
Tide power pods original.
In addition...
I use Downy April Fresh liquid softener and Clorox control bleach packs for whites.
I use Downy April Fresh liquid softener and Clorox control bleach packs for whites.
pierreandreply4
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sunlight powerded detergent canadien detergent lemon fresh
sunlight powdered version lemon fresh and la parisienne sunshine sent
sunlight powdered version lemon fresh and la parisienne sunshine sent
Thank-you Petek for the reply, do appreciate it. Think I read a post sometime back from Laundress that it is heavy in washing soda. I unscrewed the cap and took a whiff, smelled good if a little strong. My cousin uses it and may be going to visit her, so I was just wondering. She swears by it.
Was hoping to hear from more members.
Barry
Was hoping to hear from more members.
Barry
There are no enzymes referenced in the list of ingredients dated Sept 2019. Sodium carbonate (washing soda) is 3rd, presumably the list is in order of proportion.
Ingredient Disclosure -- Arm & Hammer™ Liquid Laundry Detergent - Clean Burst™
mark_wpduet
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I use powder only
And I think the reason is this:
Back when I first got a FL washer years ago, people were sharing all of their thoughts on different things, and there was this thought that powder was better than liquid in FL washers because liquid could cause a build up. I'm not sure if that was true, but I just started using powder and I have from that point on.
This is what I've used for years. The thing I like about it is the scent is very subtle and it lasts a long time and I don't have to buy it often because there's so much. It seems to work really well (maybe not as good as Persil or Tide, but still removes stains. I don't notice it fading colors too much.
And I think the reason is this:
Back when I first got a FL washer years ago, people were sharing all of their thoughts on different things, and there was this thought that powder was better than liquid in FL washers because liquid could cause a build up. I'm not sure if that was true, but I just started using powder and I have from that point on.
This is what I've used for years. The thing I like about it is the scent is very subtle and it lasts a long time and I don't have to buy it often because there's so much. It seems to work really well (maybe not as good as Persil or Tide, but still removes stains. I don't notice it fading colors too much.
Member's Mark (Sam's Club) Wind Fresh powder is made by Sun/Henkel. The safety data sheet I find lists only 4 ingredients, no enzymes, but it may not be a full ingredient list.
Sodium carbonate (washing soda) 20-30%
Sodium silicate (water glass) <1%
Ethoxylated alcohols (surfactants) <1%
Sodium chloride (table salt) 15-80%
launderess
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Safety Data Sheets (SDS)
Formerly Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS)
https://blink.ucsd.edu/safety/resources/SDS/index.html
Must list hazardous ingredients, and for some reason enzymes are considered in that category. Thus when included in laundry products they normally are listed. At least have always seen them included on all such sheets for laundry products that contained.
Many middle and lower shelf laundry detergents don't contain a single enzyme. Some only one (usually protease).
OTOH in world of commercial and industrial laundry detergents many are formulated without enzymes. Such places still rely more upon chemicals, moderate to high pH levels, and hot to very water along with good mechanical action to deal with soils/stains. What isn't removed by detergent alone will be handled by extensive use of chlorine or other bleaches.
Part of this has to do with short wash cycles in commercial/industrial laundries. In such settings wash times are between 6-8 minutes only on average. If soil is heavy there might be a second suds for same amount of time. Usually such short wash times don't give enzymes time to work properly. So a laundry must decide if the added length of time (which ties up a machine) is worth results.
Speed Queen washers at local laundromat complete a full "Normal" cycle in about 30 minutes. The pre-wash is barely two minutes long, main wash about 8-12 minutes (you can pay extra 25 cents for two minutes extra time), then onto three rinses then extract. That just isn't enough time for enzyme detergents to work.
This is reason you see so many tubs of Member's Mark or similar powdered detergents in rubbish of laundromats that offer wash and fold service and other such places.
Formerly Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS)
https://blink.ucsd.edu/safety/resources/SDS/index.html
Must list hazardous ingredients, and for some reason enzymes are considered in that category. Thus when included in laundry products they normally are listed. At least have always seen them included on all such sheets for laundry products that contained.
Many middle and lower shelf laundry detergents don't contain a single enzyme. Some only one (usually protease).
OTOH in world of commercial and industrial laundry detergents many are formulated without enzymes. Such places still rely more upon chemicals, moderate to high pH levels, and hot to very water along with good mechanical action to deal with soils/stains. What isn't removed by detergent alone will be handled by extensive use of chlorine or other bleaches.
Part of this has to do with short wash cycles in commercial/industrial laundries. In such settings wash times are between 6-8 minutes only on average. If soil is heavy there might be a second suds for same amount of time. Usually such short wash times don't give enzymes time to work properly. So a laundry must decide if the added length of time (which ties up a machine) is worth results.
Speed Queen washers at local laundromat complete a full "Normal" cycle in about 30 minutes. The pre-wash is barely two minutes long, main wash about 8-12 minutes (you can pay extra 25 cents for two minutes extra time), then onto three rinses then extract. That just isn't enough time for enzyme detergents to work.
This is reason you see so many tubs of Member's Mark or similar powdered detergents in rubbish of laundromats that offer wash and fold service and other such places.
mark_wpduet
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I don't think my duet cycles are long enough to give enzymes time to work either. For example: Heavy duty (no options) is only 50 min's and that's default 2 rinses. So I think the wash phase is 20 min's and the heater is active. What I usually do, is add more soil and extra rinse, which totals to 1:10, so 30 min's wash time. Not sure if that's even long enough for it to work. Maybe only the sanitary cycle would work with enzyme detergents. That cycle is 2.5 hours long
I don't think my duet cycles are long enough to give enzymes time to work either. For example: Heavy duty (no options) is only 50 min's and that's default 2 rinses. So I think the wash phase is 20 min's and the heater is active. What I usually do, is add more soil and extra rinse, which totals to 1:10, so 30 min's wash time. Not sure if that's even long enough for it to work. Maybe only the sanitary cycle would work with enzyme detergents. That cycle is 2.5 hours long
I think there is only an obligation to list enzymes in an MSDS if the enzyme or whatever else exceeds a certain amount in the finished product.
For instance the regular and color version of German Persil Discs list Subtilisin (Protease) in the MSDS as a substance of concern and the detergent package has an allergy warning about it.
Persil Sensitive Discs on the other hand lists Subtilisin in its full ingredients list but not in its MSDS nor is there an allergy warning printed on the package.
Obviously it contains much smaller amounts of the skin irritating enzyme because it is targeted to consumers with sensitive skin who still expect good performance of an enzyme containing detergent.
It`s always a good idea to study both, the MSDS and the full ingredients list to get the whole picture. [this post was last edited: 6/24/2021-01:06]
For instance the regular and color version of German Persil Discs list Subtilisin (Protease) in the MSDS as a substance of concern and the detergent package has an allergy warning about it.
Persil Sensitive Discs on the other hand lists Subtilisin in its full ingredients list but not in its MSDS nor is there an allergy warning printed on the package.
Obviously it contains much smaller amounts of the skin irritating enzyme because it is targeted to consumers with sensitive skin who still expect good performance of an enzyme containing detergent.
It`s always a good idea to study both, the MSDS and the full ingredients list to get the whole picture. [this post was last edited: 6/24/2021-01:06]
launderess
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Sadly not all American laundry products are clearly forthcoming on label as to what exactly they contain. P&G has gotten better on that score, but often you may have to go online or something to look it up.
Would suppose enzymes below a certain level aren't deemed to likely cause a "hazardous" or whatever issue, thus not have to be listed.
Enzyme time...
Twenty mins wash time is more than enough IMHO. For badly stained or things am attempting to remove old marks will do an overnight soak instead of long washes.
Am going to assume makers of washing machines, especially at higher end like Miele, Bosch, etc.. have tested cycles with various products including enzymes when developing cycles. On other end makers of top shelf detergents like Persil, Tide, etc... also test their products for optimal performance in commonly used cycles.
Would suppose enzymes below a certain level aren't deemed to likely cause a "hazardous" or whatever issue, thus not have to be listed.
Enzyme time...
Twenty mins wash time is more than enough IMHO. For badly stained or things am attempting to remove old marks will do an overnight soak instead of long washes.
Am going to assume makers of washing machines, especially at higher end like Miele, Bosch, etc.. have tested cycles with various products including enzymes when developing cycles. On other end makers of top shelf detergents like Persil, Tide, etc... also test their products for optimal performance in commonly used cycles.
polkanut
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We've been working on our stash of Sears Ultra Plus powder. I hope it doesn't eventually go the way of Sears itself.
launderess
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Not sure, you might want to check
But seem to recall some time back people were going mad because they suddenly couldn't find Sears powdered detergent.
https://www.houzz.com/discussions/4616039/help-need-replacement-for-sears-laundry-detergent
But seem to recall some time back people were going mad because they suddenly couldn't find Sears powdered detergent.
https://www.houzz.com/discussions/4616039/help-need-replacement-for-sears-laundry-detergent
Tide powder and liquid but am currently using gain powder.
launderess
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In honour of this thread
Which gave one's memory a bit of a jog, went ahead and cracked open box of Sunlight "Lemon Fresh" detergent that came into stash back in 2018 (where does the time go?).
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?76039
Scent is rather light, not exactly overwhelming lemon, just a tinge of freshness. Of course this powder has been sat sitting for bit so maybe things toned down.
Am doing bed linens atm and have to say at least coming out of washer (Miele) things smell fresh and clean. Only used two small scoops and had no trouble with suds or rinsing. This despite product not being labelled "HE".
Now that the box is opened will have to find some sort of plastic container to keep the moistness out. Don't want clumps.....
Which gave one's memory a bit of a jog, went ahead and cracked open box of Sunlight "Lemon Fresh" detergent that came into stash back in 2018 (where does the time go?).
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?76039
Scent is rather light, not exactly overwhelming lemon, just a tinge of freshness. Of course this powder has been sat sitting for bit so maybe things toned down.
Am doing bed linens atm and have to say at least coming out of washer (Miele) things smell fresh and clean. Only used two small scoops and had no trouble with suds or rinsing. This despite product not being labelled "HE".
Now that the box is opened will have to find some sort of plastic container to keep the moistness out. Don't want clumps.....
Since using the Amana. Can get more benefit with oxi clean instead of chlorine bleach.The Heavy cycle has an agitation period alone of 31 minutes and change.Not at constant high speed agitation though. Powders give the water the softening it needs. Just don't get that with liquids.
I imagine powder is probably better for the machines parts being more additives can be used with dry instead of liquid.
I imagine powder is probably better for the machines parts being more additives can be used with dry instead of liquid.
maytaga806
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Tide clean breeze powder for the washer, with snuggle blue iris and ocean scent booster pacs and liquid softener. I use bounce sheets sometimes as well, or the snuggle intense fresh.
For the dishwasher cascade is required, the Fresh scent with Dawn plus OXI gel which smells absolutely to die for and cleans so nicely without disgusting chlorine. I always use finish jet dry as well.
For the dishwasher cascade is required, the Fresh scent with Dawn plus OXI gel which smells absolutely to die for and cleans so nicely without disgusting chlorine. I always use finish jet dry as well.
bryash09
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I like the German Persil, sensitive! It’s more a granule than powder, works like old Wisk!
petek, you are spot on 100%. I bought a small bottle of Arm & Hammer Clean Burst to try and saw a difference in cleaning and overall look to the clothes. The scent is not too bad though a bit strong for my taste, but I think it needs 2 rinses anyway as it did foam up a lot but that would knock the scent down some. I particularly noticed the cleaning on light kitchen towels and on a load of darks, jeans. I didn’t think it would be noticeable, but was proven wrong. Persil cleans circles around A&H. All Free & Clear cleans better, esp for a MOL detergent. I’m sticking with Persil Pro Clean after I use up this bottle.
Barry
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