What led to the demise of combo washer/dryers?

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Slow spin combos

The GE Combo was notorious for its extremely slow spin speed-I think it was around 220 r.p.m. or so. This accounts for its extremely long dry time. This was also true, I believe, of the Whirlpool and Maytag combos-all except the Bendix. The Duomatic represented a big improvement in Bendix' spin speed. Older machines spun out at around 310 r.p.m., but the Duomatic's was (I think) around 540.
 
Actually, the slowest was the Westinghouse at 181 RPM. I have a GE, and despite the slow speed, the water extraction isn't that bad on a full load. The fact that it stops 3 separate times to redistribute helps as well. All of the loads I wash in the GE I simply put in the dryer without spinning out, and it finishes in about an hour each time.

Seeing the posts about the GE Combos is prompting me to stop being lazy and work on mine! Just needs a pump replacement (which I already have the part) and it will be washing again!
 
It does get worse than Westinghouse...

Well, the slowest spinning combo was the Westinghouse, but the O'keefe & Merritt combo didn't spin at all! Just went from rinse, right into dry. A 120,000 BTU gas burner supplied the extra heat needed to overcome the excess moisture. Imagine the horror inside that machine. The Easy combo spun at 250 RPM and like many others, pre-heated the clothes and drum while spinning to get a jump on the drying time. Easy was also the only combo to have a tilted drum.

Whirlpool was the only combo maker to completely re-design their combo from the ground up in the early 60's. They acheived a much better spin performance - about that of their toploading washers - and by all accounts were about the best performing of the later combos with a decent spin speed and good drying results. Philco scrapped the original Bendix 36" cabinet and 27" drum design for a smaller footprint (27") in 1959 but this made the drum quite small and the washing & drying performance wasn't as good as the earlier Bendix models. Consumer Reports tested the Bendix Duomatic in 1954-55 and called it "an impressive achievement" which, coming from CR, was particularly exciting.
 
~I can cut my drying time (and the detergent residue)very much by spinning at 2,800rpm for just five minutes.

~Who's spin-x blew up on here???
ME ME ME ME ME~

Let's not forget that the larger the tub's diameter, the less RPM are needed to achieve a targerted G-force.
Therefore (just as an example) 2,800 rpm in a 12-inch wide tub(30cm) may be the same as 1,400 rpm in a 24 inch (60cm) wide tub.

Would anyone know exaclty what the formula is for G-force determination?
 
Didn't the Westinghouse also have a tilted drum? Has anyone ever seen one of the O'Keefe and Merritt models...I can't imagine how stiff those clothes might have been in a hard water area.

So to recap, the originals were:

Bendix first to market(2 versions--earlier wide, later narrow)
Westinghouse (tilted tub)
Easy narrow cabinet--apparently bankrupted Hupp)
Maytag (short time on market, bought back from owners)
GE (lasted until 1970 or so)
Whirlpool/Kenmore (Kenmore lasted until 1970 or so)

Norge??? (I think there was one mentioned in Consumer Reports)
O'Keefe and Merritt

am I missing any?
 
GE did even more to preheat the clothes before drying. When HOT wash water was selected, the rinse temperature sequence was: cold for the first rinse, warm for the second rinse, then hot for the third rinse.

The first 29 inch wide Kenmore and WP combos had a top spin speed of 500 rpm. They also had no dryer lint filter, just a separator system with a damper that recirculated most of the heated air during the heating of the wash water and the unheated air during the rinsing and exhausted most of it during drying, recirculating only the amount needed to separate the lint. In theory, the initial one minute purge before the machine began to fill would wash the lint from the last drying period out of the machine. The tranny was set up so that the pump and blower would operate at the same time allowing hot air to circulate through the drum during wash to boost the water temperature. It also permitted the heater to run during the final spin except for Wash 'n Wear and Delicates to preheat the clothes and enhance the water extraction. The spin was divided into two parts without the preliminary intermittent spins of later machines. What the original machine did after the partial drain from the 3rd rinse was ramp up to the high spin speed as soon as the balancing system allowed . Then, after 4 or 5 minutes of spin, it slowed to a tumble and did this little spurting of water called the "Peel Off Rinse." This was done by recirculating water that was retained in the machine to make the balancing mechanism work. This little spurting of water from the filter stream opening was done to loosen the clothes from the drum so that they would tumble, but not make them as wet as when the first spin started. After the load had time to tumble a bit, the machine went into another high speed spin with the heat on. Then it came out of spin, drained the balance tanks and reservoir, paused a minute and then started drying. Because the clothes had been redistributed between spins, they fell away from the drum and tumbled with no problem.

The trouble with this system was the clogging of the water system in the machine when either too much dryer lint accumulated for the purge to wash out of the machine or too much lint got in the water during the washing and rinsing of a very linty load. Add to this the little bits of hard matter that landed in the filter and trapped lint so that it would not flush out and you begin to see how vulnerable the system was. The lint filter was a little star-shaped thing like a kitchen sink strainer in the bottom of the sump. It was accessed from a locking, hinged panel in the drum. If the machine was full of wet laundry when a clog was noticed, the wet stuff had to be removed, then the panel opened and the lint strainer cleaned. Before putting the load back in, you had to run the machine for a minute or so to get the rest of the lint out of the system and clean the strainer again. If this was during a hot wash, insulated rubber gloves were needed and many owners were upset. So all of those machines were retrofitted to have a dryer lint screen. In the retrofitting, the damper that either was mostly open for dry or mostly closed during the wash, rinse, spin part of the cycle was eliminated. The transmission was changed so that it either pumped or ran the blower so the water heating and spin preheat were eliminated and the top spin speed was reduced to to 400 rpm. The two high speed spins were retained for a while, but were later modified so that the first spin period had the intermittent low speed spin and tumble periods followed by the 4 minute high speed spin. Subsequent machines had the wash filter moved to the front of the machine behind the lower panel. It was only because of the money that Sears brought into Whirlpool that the redesign from the BIG 33 inch wide machine to the 29 inch wide combo was financially possible. They both took a hit on the retrofitting, but survived.
 
Jamiel, you forgot the Hotpoint combo. The Maytag was not forcibly removed from owners like the Hotpoint. Maytag combo owners were offered a TOL pair in exchange when Maytag sort of threw in the towel on combos.

Can you imagine how fast a dryer the O'Keefe & Merritt (also sold under the wringer washer brand names of One Minute and Automatic) would be with items spun in a regular washer? It had a higher BTU rating than my present condensing gas furnace.
 
With many apologies to Peter...

I used an LG combo that was installed in a hotel suite in Vancouver and ( with small vacation-sized loads) it was amazing!!! Spun as fast as my LG washer at home and dried in a trice. If I lived in a small apartment, I would consider buying one.

However, when you think about it, almost anyone not in a major urban center with the means to provide the utilities for a combo could muster up a little extra space for a dryer. Why go to the extra expense and uncertainty when that was possible? I don't think it's a mistake that the only combos made now are made in Asia: urban living spaces there are notoriously tiny. Let's see what the Chinese start producing for their booming metropoliiiii when they get going.
 
Lint Removal

One of the Hotpoint UK engineers I worked with would always carry with him 3 large Bath size towels and would do a maintenance clean on the Washer Dryers with them.......He reckoned that with a rinse and fast spin, the amount of water that was being spun at 800 / 1000 out of the towels proved enough force to spray wash the outer tub clear of any lint, they also advised customers to do the same periodically...

A hoover guy used to select a last rinse, and when the tub was full of water, re-select a spin, ONLY for a few seconds, he reckoned it was enough force for all the water to do the same trick, throwing a tub full of water everywhere....(this was only to be done on the condensor machines) otherwise it would shoot out of the vent!!!

Mike
 
Baja, the Chinese already make a combo. It is imported into this country and is pretty pathetic.

The LG combo you used, was it the little one or the big one? What type of fabrics were you drying, synthetics that don't hold much moisture?
Thanks,
Tom
 
Tom,

What is it, a Haier?

I was using the small one; it fit handily inside a closet next to the kitchenette in my wonderful little Hotel on Davies suite. I was washing cottons, not many either, but enough to recognize the same actions as my LG washer at home and realize with the same high speed spin drying wouldn't take long. If I owned one, I would do what I already do now which is to remove many articles that I line dry and leave a smaller load for the dryer. That's one of the things I've loved best about switching to the high spin FL, things are so dry by the end of the wash cycle that many things air dry quickly.
I'll see if I have a snapshot of the unit from my vacation pics.
 
Baja, I think the name was Quiet Line or something like that. I do not know if the Haier is the same machine.

I have found the baby LG combos for as little as $1099 + shipping on some Ebay sites.

I am investigating buying the Breeze model by Supra. It is a 230 volt model and the guys that sell them give reasons why this particular model is the best of the Supra combos.
 
Wow, I find this discussion thread fascinating! My mom and dad first washing machine was a 1956 Bendix Duomatic. I believe they kept it for 6 years and replaced it with a Kenmore set in 1962. My mom recalls the combo unit was always breaking down. The clothes were not spun out. Getting parts took a long time (small town in the 50’s) and the tub smelled musty. She really did not like it. My dad said the machine weighed a lot, took four tough strong men to get it out of the house. I wished they kept it…just shy before I was born

Bob
 
LG makes two combos.One is 24"wide and does a 14 pound dry load(7pounds to take out before drying)of laundry.The other is a 27"wide model and does a 22 pound dry laod(10 pounds to take out before drying.)Both run on 120 volts and have ventless drying(condensor)They retail for $1499 and$1799.As long as you do smaller loads and don't cram them,they work great and take about 2.5 hours/cycle.The 24"model spins 1400 rpms.The 27"model spins 1200 rpms.
 
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