What Really is Full Load for a washer? Philosophy

[3beltwesty]

Due to endless debates on other threads that Europes smaller volume 24" frame washers wash as much clothes as a larger basket volume American 27" Frame washer I decided today to wash a fuller wash load on the LG WM2501HVA this morning as a test.

Since all the blue jeans came out clean one must conclude I underloaded the machine by non USA folks. ie one could have added more stuff to wash; to chase maybe a 1/2 cent in savings.

Here I placed what to my 50 years experience with FL washers is a rather full load of bluejeans and overalls. Then I weighted them on a great scale and they weighed in as 25 Lbs; I will call it only 24 Lb to allow for no biases. That is about 11Kg. Those jeans are off varied newness, many are old and used for construction. There is 15 pairs of bluejeans and 1 pair of overalls and 7 pairs of socks.

The load sense software of the machine only sensed this as 2 out of 4 bars; ie a 1/2 load.

The full cycle was 55 minutes. The machine looked full before the wash water started; then there was a decent amount of headroom so the stuff would randomly mix.

Three videos will be posted.

It is not clear whether in Europe a wash load like this would be considered wastefull; since one could add more items. Or maybe this is normal European practice of washing 11Kg each time.

This LG washer was just an average sized FL 27" washer I got last fall; 4.2 IEC size. There were no 24" frame washers at any local store.

With this 25 / 24Lb ; 11 Kg load all the items came out clean; they even all fit
in the 1976 Westy dryer too.

My guess is if I placed 28, 30, or 32 Lbs of items; somewhere the wash action must have to decline.

3beltwesty

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Video during part of rinse with 24Lbs

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Video during part of SPIN cycle rinse with 24Lbs

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[3beltwesty]

Photo before start of washing

Maybe another test should be run fuller

 

[3beltwesty]

Machine at 49min left in a 55 min cycle

Here is only 6 minutes into the total 55 min cycle.

The water spray has not reached all spots yet; thus the machine still looks sort of full still.

A few minutes later one has the stuff all wet and there is much free room at the top of the basket.

 

[3beltwesty]

RINSE cycle; 24 minutes left

One can straight through to the back of the spin basket with the drum revolving and rinse water being sprayed.

 

[hoover1100]

does anyone else

smell a troll around here?

 

[3beltwesty]

SPIN High speed

Here is a shot during the high rpm extract. The clothes of course are now at the outer parts of the spin basket. There is a big donut hole in the middle now.

 

[3beltwesty]

24 LBs done now

Here is the wash load done. With a lessor load the stuff is usually not at the top, ie the detangle scheme makes it drop down,

 

[3beltwesty]

SALEMAN told me that my dryer would be too small

Here is the 24Lb worth of stuff in the 1976 Westinghouse dryer. The slick salesfolks *ALL* told me that I needed a new dryer; ie it would be too small for the LG's "capacity"

 

[jerrod6]

 Maybe I am missing something. A troll?  Come on.  He is trying to do exactly what I asked folks to do in the other thread;  Show us pics and vids of fully loaded large washers and tell us how well they wash and rinse.

 

[3beltwesty]

11Kg done and out of dryer

Mountain of items.

This is just a typical sized FL washer sold at Home Depot, Lowes or Sears. It is not even the best brand either.

 

[3beltwesty]

Before wash stack is 0.6 meters tall

Here is a shot with the 11Kg of stuff before washing

 

[3beltwesty]

jerrod6;

Normally I wash less than this; ie what may preach on this site as so called wastefull.

With the constant preaching by non usa folks that we underload; here I just wanted to try a much larger load as a real world test.

I purposely have been saving up the work clothes. I actually have about 3 to 4 times this number of jeans for construction; often bought at just a few dollars per pair.

Even the super dirty jeans I used last weekend in roofing were in this load and they came out clean.

I suppose if I owned a 27" Miele I could wash even more ?

 

[mrb627]

The Real Issue...

What is the real issue in comparing the 24" machines to the 27" models?  It sounds like members are claiming that Americans are being wasteful by washing the same amount of clothing in a 27" machine that a 24" machine can handle.  Is this accurate?

 

Malcolm

 

[3beltwesty]

Home washers in the USA were once sold as "20 Lb machine

On another thread I believe "supremewhirlpol" showed washing a giant basket of jeans and it weighed in as something like 20Lbs roughly.

Thus trying a larger load 20 percent larger as a real life test is really not so odd.

Many USA washers were once marketed and marked as "20LB Washers" too; ie about 9 Kg; thus testing a modern machine at 20Lb or 24Lb is interesting since today they are marked with IEC numbers and not weight.

Since most non usa folks here constantly use machines hawked with Kg specs, in this test I used weight and not volume.

 

[jerrod6]

Malcolm this might be the issue but I guess it depends.  I have a 24" Euro machine that I try to use fully loaded, but I don't feel bad if I wash 1  or 2 items I might  need because it will sense the load size after a few minutes and reduce the time of time of each part of the cycle and also use less water for it.  There is also the case where I wash 1 cotton item at nearly 200F and this is a load of 1 item, so I think it is Ok to use it for one or two items if I need them.  So perhaps wasteful depends on how well your washer will detect a small size and make adjustments for it.  Don't Whirlpools  have that dirtiness setting you can use ...more... less....I would guess that less means less time less water.  From the previous vids and info  it seems that the LG senses the load size too so perhaps smaller loads are not a big deal.

 

[Pingmeep]

3beltwesty Most LG washers are marketed as having greater than 10Kg dry linen capacity.

Even my small 2.7 IEC cubic feet washer can handle a load of 10kg.

Not sure what you were trying to prove. ;-)

 

[3beltwesty]

Not a troll, but the facts must hurt.

Matt; the facts must hurt; ie reality hurts. ie the smaller 24" machines basket washes less clothes.

If machines that really hold 50 percent less volume can really wash 11Kg; then please show.

This stuff washed would not even fit into the drum of my 1976 FL westy with its 2.6 cuft spin basket; thus the real "troll" is the constant dogma that the smaller machines wash the same as a larger machines.

24" machine folks have no data; thus the "troll" is the preaching that smaller machines wash the sames amount of clothes.

That is why the US has specs for washers; to prevent trollish hokem. ie protects the public. One cannot LEGALLY make such statements here.