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Very Very Ealy Auto Maid

The photo of the Very Very Early Auto Maid looks like a Carlton Electronic my Mum had back in the 1980,s.

The spin contol was a slide spin control from 300rpm - 800, if I remember right. It also had a temperature dial to.

Cheers for all the photos.

Paul
 
very very early auto maid

those early auto maids had a standard spin of 550 rpm, no adjustments no ,atter what cycle you put it on. and no tempreture dial. tempreture depended on the cycle you selected. most older auto maids had this standard spin and no temp dial. the models that are between up to 10 years old started getting temp dials
 
question for Matthewza

Can you enlighten us about water conservation in SA? I would imagine conditions vary across the country, but in general, do South Africans have to conserve water at home, as in Australia and parts of USA? Or is water so abundant vs. the population that people aren't encouraged to conserve.

To give you an idea of the situation in California: There is a LOT of water in the state, but mostly in the north and mountainous east, while the population centers are west and south. We have a huge aqueduct and dam system to store the water and bring it from the mountains to the cities. The limiting factors have been:

1. Diminished snowfall in recent years, probably due to global warming. The system was built to capture water runoff from gradually melting snowpacks. When precipitation falls as rain, the runoff is too fast for all of it to be captured.

2. Increasing population. We are reaching a point where the system can't provide adequate water even in "good" snowfall years.

We have incentives to reduce our landscaping water. Local governments try to encourage residents to use low water use plants. In addition, our water rates are on a tiered system: those who use more pay more per unit of water than those who use less (our city has three or four tiers, with the lowest rates for low users). When we buy appliances, there are often rebates from the local government water agency of $100-150, if you buy a particularly low water use model.

As far as I know, the sales of FLs has now exceeded the sales of TLs in the USA, but of all machines still in use, top loaders are still the majority, and these are mainly traditional center post agitators, not horizontal axis. The USA did have decent FLs after WW2 (Bendix, Westinghouse), but TLs quickly took over because of higher capacity, equal or better spin speed (Frigidaire TLs had >1000 RPM "Rapidry" spin in the 1950s), and an overall impression that FLs were prone to leaks or other accidents (probably not true). Meanwhile, in Europe, FL technology was rapidly evolving, so that when FLs were reintroduced into the US market on a large scale in the late 1990s (Maytag Nautilus), US technology was decades behind Europe's.
 
a question for matthewza

passatdoc
we are always encouraged. south africans are fond of front loaders, top loaders and twin tubs. the south african market has very good quality and good looking front loaders. and we have them in huge capacities. we have the LG 9 kg under counter. the LG 11 kg under counter and the whirlpool dreamspace 10 kg (not under counter) south africands are leaning towards front loaders because of benefits and style. we want big capacities in small spaces. and the only agitator top loaders we have is the speed queen and whirlpool. all the rest have pulsators and features to use less water. HATLs are not common. the only manufacturer with 1 in SA is AEG but its VERY expensive and VERY small capacity. the price of that is equivalnt to a speed queen top loader and LG 15 kg digital top loader and whirlpool dreamspace, so i dont think they sell too well here. but yes, we are encouraged and front loaders hve been here forever as well as top loaders and twin tubs. i am personaly not too fond of twin tubs but the new LG 14 kg is quite nice
 
defy not made in sa

Kelvinator's and Hoover's were made in SA. Defy Twin Tub's are some of the poorest examples of a Twin Tub I've ever come across. Nothing special there... and since I have used/owned countless of them I will say that our best (twin tub) has to be Hitachi and you can say what you like, but facts are facts and nothing beats a twin tub in the form of Hitachi! If I were to buy a brand new twin tub it would be LG.
 
defy not made in sa

Mr. kic
defy twin tubs are the best. they may not have the feautures and style the others have, but they do what they are made for and do it very well. they are basic, easy to use and very reliable. i used a rental defy twin tub when my machine was in for repairs and it went like a boeing! (even though it was over 10 years old at the time).
but everyone is entitled to their opinions. i personally prefer hitachi top loaders to the twin tubs.
but i must say, thank you very much for commrnting on my post! i was actually waiting for you to comment (i've read other stuff you commented on and loved it). i think you are the only person here who could agree with me about the wonderful machines we have in sa.
please post some pics of te machines you have. will be appreciated! :)
 
My view on the USA's palty usage of home FL washers befo

Here in the USA, Westinghouse marketed the FL washer in the early 1940's. This advert from 1944 mentions it is a post war dream product already come true that has two years of war time service. A revolutionary appliance. Thus FL Westinghouse washers go back to at least 1942. I believe the 1944 advert is a teaser advert, since WW2 halted the production of many consumer items. When I was a kid a neighbor had one of these from about 1941/42.

My dad bought one in 1947, and another in 1976. Some families like mine in the USA have used FL washers for over 1/2 century, and that is the only type we have ever owned. The 1976 Westinghouse was marketed to save water, reduce ones usage of soap and hot water too, plus less wear on clothes.

The drawback of the older USA FL home washers were there NOT giant. ie the basket on the 1976 Westinghouse is about roughly 2.5 ?? cubic feet as a wild guess. Thus for marketing; before the mid 1990's US FL washers were considered dinky. These older machines had a niche market with stackable sets in condos, apartments etc.

A major reason FL washers did not sell well in the USA is they were smaller in capacity and often cost 50 percent more. It was not a problem here with a family of six. In many places water usage was not a concern too. My current house in 1971 did not even have a water meter, it was not until 8 years later where a meter was added.

The USA's new generation of mid 1990's washers had bugs, mold, stink, wax motor issues, boots that collected water. ie stuff that the 1942 model did not have.

Thus here as a long time FL USA owner, my take is that few bought FL washers before 1995 because they were smaller in capacity and cost more. Plus the marketing blurb of the 1976 machine being a "New Generation" that saved water did not matter to most folks all all.

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mattweza

Does a 14kg twintub mean 14kg wash capacity? Or is it 7kg wash and 7kg spin? 14kg wash capacity is huge for a twintub.....and I don't just mean from a british "space" point of view.

What is the capacity of the spinners on those machines, can your rinse and spin the whole wash load at one time?
 
plz explain what exactly you mean

What I mean is how can an appliance rated at one rating in one country have such a vastly different rating in another?

For example, the machine in the link is the same dimensions as the 13kg one in post 476577 (just a newer model), yet is rated at 8.5kg on our market...

I'd challenge anyone to actually get 13kg into one of these machines let alone have it move the clothes...



http://www.lg.com/au/laundry-floorc...nes/LG-top-loader-washing-machine-WF-T857.jsp
 
@3beltwesty

My father recalls seeing a front loading automatic at the NY World's Fair in 1939-40 (he attended both years) on display at the Westinghouse pavilion. The 20,000 homes referred to in the ad probably refer to models sold in 1941 and early 1942, before civilian goods production was shut down for the war effort.

I remember seeing slant-front Westies in some people's homes as a young child. People seemed to like TLs because of larger capacity and less stooping. Thanks for the enlightenment as to their being sold into the 1970s, I had no idea.
 
matthewza

@paulc yes it means 14 kg wash capacity. and the soinner is quite big too (spinners always look small but due to clothes taking up less space when wt, they work). and therer is the option of spray spin rinsing yur clothes, but i prefer to do it the long way- wash, drain wash water, spin, fill with clean rinse water, rinse, spin again, hang up or tumbe dryer. but spin spray works just as good. but i NEVER recyccle wash water! disgusting!
 
LG 15kg washer

yes! they are amazing machines! the matching dryer is also wow. they actually popular here because people have the space, some even in their kitchens. i'm thinking of startin a luandromat and might buy those machines because i dont like agitators for big comforters, or might just buy the dryers and the 11 kg front loader
 
ratings in different countries

One has legal reasons probably why the same design has different ratings.

If an Appliance such as a Vacuum, washer, audio amp, circular saw, chain saw has large numbers in the advertising, the lay public likes bigger numbers. If brand A and Brand B in SA compete and use *different* standards/ratings, brand B might look worse when it is actually better. Thus marketing chaps are going to use the more liberal rating; if that country allows it.

In the USA most home washers are marketed by cubic feet, Lbs or Kg of laundry is really about never ever mentioned. The Westinghouse 3 belt westy here from 1976 mentions a 9 Lb load in "an operational test" in a repair manual I saw; this is 4Kg. To adjust the springs that hold up the tub, one uses a 1 Lb load so the machine has enough jiggle to overcome the friction of the 4 dampers/8 shoes.

As far as mass a FL washer could handle, it really matters more how well the machine can handle an imbalanced load in the spin cycle,and not go nuts and walk across the floor.

Most FL washers have big bearings, the failure mode is about always the seal leaks and the bearings rusts.
 
westinghouse in the usa

Passatdoc;

Westinghouse sold the old type FL washers from the maybe early 1940's to maybe mid 1990's. There really were no years accept during WW2 that they were not made.

If I take say 1995 as a guess as the cut off and 1941 the start as a guess; that makes about 1/2 + century of FL washer production. The 3 belt potato pulley design went from the mid/late 1950's to roughly about 1988.

Later they the used a variable speed motor and 1 belt, and dropped the slinky clutch spring and oval potato pulley. These machines were still in stores being sold new until about the mid 1990's, I think production stopped about 1994 to 96 but not fully sure.

These many Westinghouse machines were sold under the Gibson, Sears, J C Penney, Frigidaire, Tappan brands. The FLS14B1D5 was sold as a Laundromat Commercial Front Loading Tumber machine see the link. This was often the token smallest tumber machine at some commercial laundromats.

Many internet articles read like the USA first got FL homes washers in the mid 1990's , the authors thus ignore 1/2 century worth of history. It is like saying Microsoft started with XP and ignoring older windows, DOS or BBS usage too.

Most folks in the USA never used a FL washer at home until the last decade, there might be one oddball in the neighborhood that had one.

**** To All;

In South Africa did FL washers just really get popular in the last decade, like the USA?;

or were they used not much before this?

http://www.searspartsdirect.com/par...Parts/Model-FLS14B1D5/1816/0153100?pathTaken=
 
front loaders in South Africa..

front loaders have been very popular for many years here. at 1 stage they were more popular than top loaders, but then the digital and cleevr top loaders from LG and Samsung came out so everybody and their mother in law got an LG or Samsung top loader (after many decades of having a frony loader). but now front loaders are becomin more advanced than top loaders so they becomin more popular again
but in a nut shell, south africans have used front loaders for many decades. not just the last. we have used front loaders for about as long as the british!
 
SA washer marketing

Matthewza,

Are FL and TL washers marketed there in SA any at all by volume?

Here in the USA that seems to be the sole metric used in all washer marketing.

There really is no mention of load size of clothes by weight or mass in home use washers.

Thus advertising is by cubic feet. One might see FL washers at a store with 3.6,4, 4.2 , 4.5, 5.5 cubic feet as one pays more.
 
Washing capacity by volume....

....rather than by weight (..and this is cotton cycle too BTW) appears to be a uniquely American way of doing things.

From what other posters have said in the past it came about because of increasing capacity statements by manufacturers that couldn't be backed up. Cubic capacity, on the other hand, is potentially more reliable....

From an Australian perspective, several manufacturers have been taken to task by Choice, our consumer magazine, for claiming impossible capacities on machines. This is especially true of top-load machines. Either Whirlpool or Maytag were the worst offenders. In one instance that I can recall seeing in the magazine, the machine in question when loaded to the stated capacity was so full the lid was at 45degrees with clothes overflowing out.....
 
SA washer marketing

they are always all marketed by their KG capacity. its easier and more understandable than cubic feet. and its always been KG so changing now would probably upset consumers
 
That's interesting then....

....because with the possible exception of the front load machines, it is impossible for the top loaders to actually wash with that much in them...

Try it. Weigh yourself and a clothes basket and then add sufficent clothes/towels/sheets to take it up an additional 13kg....given that an average washing basket completely full ('rounded with clothes', not 'level') will weigh somewhere between 5-6kg, I cannot see how at LEAST 2 or more will fit and actually wash...

Interestingly, this seems to only be the case with top load machines. Front load machines sold in South Africa appear to be inline (capacity wise) with Europe/Australia...
 
Capacity

Don't get me started!

I love how the 11kg LG has a 78litre (7-8kg) drum.

I saw a video on youtube from Australia (can't remember it for the link) Which proved that a 6kg Miele could fit 2 more bath sheets in it than a 7kg Fisher and Paykel top loader.

For a twin tub to wash 14kg (let alone spin it), it would have to be HUGE (think industrial size), same for a top loading automatic to wash 13kg.

The worst offenders for false capacities are dryers, My mum's "7kg" Zanussi dryer can just about handle a full load (4.5kg as I weighed myself) from her "5.5kg" Whirlpool. Now LG reckon they can produce a 9kg dryer in a standard size cabinet? Yeah right!

It would be so much more sensible to measure capacity by drum volume, but then the manufacturers wouldn't be able to make such ridiculous claims, which consumers believe.

Rant over....

Matt
 
They have...

...introduced minimum performance standards here on washing machines...they must be able to wash and especially rinse the load when at stated capacity....

Mind, the bar is pretty low, but Haier were taken to task about water consumption in two separate cases...one was too low and the machines failed the rinse test and another was stating the water consumption was low and it used far far more...

Personally, I think anything greater than 7kg in a standard cabinet is starting to ask for trouble....
 
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