To myself this doesn't make any sense - this washer they are currently making can certainly be used for home use! And it is really designed to clean clothes!
Whats up with Speed Queen!
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check out the front loader - no it doesn't have the 5 rinses like the other but you can get 3 rinses and a prewash! what else do you need for a front loader!
check out the front loader - no it doesn't have the 5 rinses like the other but you can get 3 rinses and a prewash! what else do you need for a front loader!
Speed Queen!
so maybe their is a way around all this 2018n BS??
so maybe their is a way around all this 2018n BS??
This is a different design than previous models, as it looks to be an off take from the Westinghouse design. It looks to be an improvement from the previous 2018 models, the turnover is slower, but better, it still utilizes the turning of the tub that SQ wanted. Perhaps they got the best of both worlds, only time will tell. The only downside that I could see is that it would need a longer rinse than what they had previously timed in past models includes pre2018, turnover would be a must.
The console design is more utilitarian than ever before, and it may "put off" future buyers. There was a reviewer in a previous post somewhere that mentioned SQ could glam it up a bit, to make it look fresh and modern. This model looks like a 1950's design, and dumbed down at that. But to each there own.
Given my own previous/current experience with the 2015 432 model with the ripped towels, pin holed shirts, ripped stitching, and over-all fabric damage I would certainly be inclined to purchase a new Maytag or GE before I bought another T/L SQ. Just sayin.
Barry
The console design is more utilitarian than ever before, and it may "put off" future buyers. There was a reviewer in a previous post somewhere that mentioned SQ could glam it up a bit, to make it look fresh and modern. This model looks like a 1950's design, and dumbed down at that. But to each there own.
Given my own previous/current experience with the 2015 432 model with the ripped towels, pin holed shirts, ripped stitching, and over-all fabric damage I would certainly be inclined to purchase a new Maytag or GE before I bought another T/L SQ. Just sayin.
Barry
supersurgilator
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This is NOT a different design from before. This machine is the same as the 2017 models. The tub is ONLY indexing because the machine is new and the brakes haven't settled in yet. It's just too bad there is no water level switch.
Wow. The control panel on the top loader in the OP is the same style Raytheon was using over 20 years ago on SQ and Amana machines. Over time and under fluorescent lighting (which most commercial buildings have) the knobs will turn yellow.
This is what government regs lead to. I will leave it at that because I know there are people out there who believe government infiltration into every aspect of life is acceptable/justifiable/beneficial and persuading them otherwise will not change their minds or make for a happy thread.
With that said it is tragic. It hurts thinking about it. I have no doubt transmissions would have continued for some time (decades perhaps) had it not been for the energy regs.
Does anyone know why they would rid the water level dial? Are people setting it to low and killing transmissions in commercial settings? Dunno just looks silly.
With that said it is tragic. It hurts thinking about it. I have no doubt transmissions would have continued for some time (decades perhaps) had it not been for the energy regs.
Does anyone know why they would rid the water level dial? Are people setting it to low and killing transmissions in commercial settings? Dunno just looks silly.
stevet
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Turnover???
Is it me or does the machine in the clip referred to by Pete seem to have only slightly better turnover than the 2018 domestic units? Or is it because the tub is indexing that the clothes don't rollover very well. I got more rollover in my compact Kenmore machine with nearly the same load in it.
Like I said, better than their new machines but how much?
Is it me or does the machine in the clip referred to by Pete seem to have only slightly better turnover than the 2018 domestic units? Or is it because the tub is indexing that the clothes don't rollover very well. I got more rollover in my compact Kenmore machine with nearly the same load in it.
Like I said, better than their new machines but how much?
vacerator
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Ever heard of rationalization?
It's when a company caves to standardizing design and marketing trends which have become the industry standard. Consolidation of brands, and designs.
Also, ask the share holders. Ever been to a meeting, or voted by proxy for a policy decision?
I think maybe they held out with their long proven design as long as they could.
Maybe the investors want a better dividend, and building a leaner, lighter, cheaper to make machine seemed to be the answer.
The first I learned of rationalizing was about the British auto industry.
By 1980, Austin, Morris, MG, Jaguar, were all owned by British Leyland. Soon, they were all sharing parts. By 1989, Ford owned Jaguar, and the others were gone.
The Chinese have revived the names MG, and Rover, which is owned by Rowe.
Engineers do not control the purse strings. Dumb people do. If the engineer needs a job, they do what the dumb people want done.
It's when a company caves to standardizing design and marketing trends which have become the industry standard. Consolidation of brands, and designs.
Also, ask the share holders. Ever been to a meeting, or voted by proxy for a policy decision?
I think maybe they held out with their long proven design as long as they could.
Maybe the investors want a better dividend, and building a leaner, lighter, cheaper to make machine seemed to be the answer.
The first I learned of rationalizing was about the British auto industry.
By 1980, Austin, Morris, MG, Jaguar, were all owned by British Leyland. Soon, they were all sharing parts. By 1989, Ford owned Jaguar, and the others were gone.
The Chinese have revived the names MG, and Rover, which is owned by Rowe.
Engineers do not control the purse strings. Dumb people do. If the engineer needs a job, they do what the dumb people want done.
vacerator
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At least BMW
has revived the Mini, and even builds it in Oxford England.
has revived the Mini, and even builds it in Oxford England.
The load isn't turning over well due to tub indexing. If you grab the rim of the tub and hold it in place, turnover improves instantly.
I know that John L. (and probably others) don't agree with this, but I'm convinced Alliance's plan is to get out of the domestic market. I certainly agree with those who think this on-premises/commercial residential top-loader is what true SQ fans want.
Once again, glad my sister and I each have the 9 Series pair! Got them just in the nick of time.
I know that John L. (and probably others) don't agree with this, but I'm convinced Alliance's plan is to get out of the domestic market. I certainly agree with those who think this on-premises/commercial residential top-loader is what true SQ fans want.
Once again, glad my sister and I each have the 9 Series pair! Got them just in the nick of time.
Speed Queen enjoyed over a decade of surging residential laundry sales and twice nearly doubled their factory space etc in Ripon Wisconsin.
They invested very heavily in this new TL washer line, they have no intention of leaving the residential business.
After a year or two of huge sales loses something will change, I guarantee you that they are working on possible design changes now.
The new machine solves several problems that the old design had, I did a warranty call on a 2017 9 series TL washer that we sold 45 days ago [ it replaced a 10 YO TOL GE washer ] the customer complaining was the clothing is coming out too wet, the machine has talked out of position twice and suds back out of the drain standpipe when the washer is spinning, unfortunately these are all normal traits for last years machine, they just need to make the 2018 machines agitate properly and they will have a winner.
They invested very heavily in this new TL washer line, they have no intention of leaving the residential business.
After a year or two of huge sales loses something will change, I guarantee you that they are working on possible design changes now.
The new machine solves several problems that the old design had, I did a warranty call on a 2017 9 series TL washer that we sold 45 days ago [ it replaced a 10 YO TOL GE washer ] the customer complaining was the clothing is coming out too wet, the machine has talked out of position twice and suds back out of the drain standpipe when the washer is spinning, unfortunately these are all normal traits for last years machine, they just need to make the 2018 machines agitate properly and they will have a winner.
It took Audi
An entire generation and enormous sums to regain lost market share after the transmission disaster.
It took, well, no, American built sedans to this day don't use diesel because of the Oldsmobile disaster - and that was 40 some years ago.
Each situation was made worse by the initial refusal of the manufacturer to be honest with the buying public, each was made worse by a corporate mentality driven by an internal sense of high quality and persecution by biased journalists.
I suspect Speed Queen will, as John has said, figure out a solution fairly quickly. They won't admit it, they won't even acknowledge it publicly, but even Jack Welch at GE was human enough to have independent tests done on one of their products - and then back the engineers who had been silenced by mid-level managers a few decades back when they hit a somewhat similar problem.
Just - the sort of people who buy Speed Queens or Olds 98s or Audis tend to be literate and well-informed. I'm curious to see how they recover from this. I'm not so optimistic about it. There should have been a bit more honesty by now.
An entire generation and enormous sums to regain lost market share after the transmission disaster.
It took, well, no, American built sedans to this day don't use diesel because of the Oldsmobile disaster - and that was 40 some years ago.
Each situation was made worse by the initial refusal of the manufacturer to be honest with the buying public, each was made worse by a corporate mentality driven by an internal sense of high quality and persecution by biased journalists.
I suspect Speed Queen will, as John has said, figure out a solution fairly quickly. They won't admit it, they won't even acknowledge it publicly, but even Jack Welch at GE was human enough to have independent tests done on one of their products - and then back the engineers who had been silenced by mid-level managers a few decades back when they hit a somewhat similar problem.
Just - the sort of people who buy Speed Queens or Olds 98s or Audis tend to be literate and well-informed. I'm curious to see how they recover from this. I'm not so optimistic about it. There should have been a bit more honesty by now.
mayken4now
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Spoke to Ms. Doris
At the Appliance Center this week. They sell Speed Queen here in Panama City, FL.
"We don't know which way to turn" "Our sales Rep from Alliance is baffled as well" "At least that what he tells us" "We almost decided not to continue our relationship with Alliance"
My goodness. I can imagine how frustrating it would be to continue to switch gears on your long standing customers.
Steven
At the Appliance Center this week. They sell Speed Queen here in Panama City, FL.
"We don't know which way to turn" "Our sales Rep from Alliance is baffled as well" "At least that what he tells us" "We almost decided not to continue our relationship with Alliance"
My goodness. I can imagine how frustrating it would be to continue to switch gears on your long standing customers.
Steven
Automobiles and streamlining sales
Said it before and I will say it yet again- we will all one day be forced into using front loads. If thats what the 100 people ruling the world want, thats what we will get. This is just the conditioning phase. I hate that it has to be like that but its impossible to fight your masters.
Speaking of automobiles there is this:
http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/26/news/companies/ford-suv-shift/index.html
And here is what makes me even more upset. Cars are getting bigger- a lot bigger. Yes engines are getting more efficient (like the sooting ecoboasters) however all that is being offset and out done by the size of vehicles. If everyone drove a fiesta vs an Explorer, the environment would be a lot greener. Yet people seem not to care. But buy a top loader and everyone loses their minds. There is just no nuance to the madness.
Said it before and I will say it yet again- we will all one day be forced into using front loads. If thats what the 100 people ruling the world want, thats what we will get. This is just the conditioning phase. I hate that it has to be like that but its impossible to fight your masters.
Speaking of automobiles there is this:
http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/26/news/companies/ford-suv-shift/index.html
And here is what makes me even more upset. Cars are getting bigger- a lot bigger. Yes engines are getting more efficient (like the sooting ecoboasters) however all that is being offset and out done by the size of vehicles. If everyone drove a fiesta vs an Explorer, the environment would be a lot greener. Yet people seem not to care. But buy a top loader and everyone loses their minds. There is just no nuance to the madness.
SUVs offer what hatchbacks and sedans do not. Once upon a time a family sedan could easily and comfortably transport an entire family plus grandma; including a week's shopping. Station wagons were the perfect vehicle for suburbanites, especially if they owned a business.
There are no more full-size sedans and wagons. All cars are now mid-size and compacts, unless one gets an SUV or a large pick-up. I know of no modern sedans or wagons that seat six or more people and offer sufficient cargo space.
There are still a lot of families around with more than 2.5 kids. Lots of SUV and pick-up owners use their vehicles for work. Here in Oz SUVs get people to the great outdoors on weekends. They are great for four wheel driving, hauling caravans, camping gear, boats and jet skis.
There are no more full-size sedans and wagons. All cars are now mid-size and compacts, unless one gets an SUV or a large pick-up. I know of no modern sedans or wagons that seat six or more people and offer sufficient cargo space.
There are still a lot of families around with more than 2.5 kids. Lots of SUV and pick-up owners use their vehicles for work. Here in Oz SUVs get people to the great outdoors on weekends. They are great for four wheel driving, hauling caravans, camping gear, boats and jet skis.
