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Paul
Thanks for taking tge time to scan and post this report - we are doing well for UK reference works today, and some machines that woudl be lost to posterity. Some quick points after my first read through:
£112 - GEC. WHAT £112 GEC???? The only reference to a GEC washer I ever saw previously was a twinnie in 1960. So, could it be a variation of the Hotpoint? or the EE? Or something else entirely?
Curious that EE stil had not got that hot water filling business sorted out, it had been like that since the first model in 1960.
That Stokvis looks like it has an interesting control panel. I have an Ideal Home article from 1968 (I have previously posted it on here) which shows a Philips full size H axis washer - I wonder was that a successor to this one?
This must have almost been the last gasp of the Parnall Spinwasher. It such a shame that this model range did not continue. It is curious that the semi-auto version tested the previous year had a substantially cheaper list price (from memory it was about £85) which put it very much on a par with the top end twinnies like HMDL, Supertwin & Supermatic. I presume that the mechanicals would have been much the same for both machines and I would not have thought the electronics and associated equipment to make it fully automatic would have made such a difference (it does not seem like much now but it is more than 40% difference if I have my sums right). It appears that the Parnall models were the only British auto (or semi auto) washer to have a suds saving facility although the operation was very different to that of the US machines.
A great lunch time read
Al
Paul
Thanks for taking tge time to scan and post this report - we are doing well for UK reference works today, and some machines that woudl be lost to posterity. Some quick points after my first read through:
£112 - GEC. WHAT £112 GEC???? The only reference to a GEC washer I ever saw previously was a twinnie in 1960. So, could it be a variation of the Hotpoint? or the EE? Or something else entirely?
Curious that EE stil had not got that hot water filling business sorted out, it had been like that since the first model in 1960.
That Stokvis looks like it has an interesting control panel. I have an Ideal Home article from 1968 (I have previously posted it on here) which shows a Philips full size H axis washer - I wonder was that a successor to this one?
This must have almost been the last gasp of the Parnall Spinwasher. It such a shame that this model range did not continue. It is curious that the semi-auto version tested the previous year had a substantially cheaper list price (from memory it was about £85) which put it very much on a par with the top end twinnies like HMDL, Supertwin & Supermatic. I presume that the mechanicals would have been much the same for both machines and I would not have thought the electronics and associated equipment to make it fully automatic would have made such a difference (it does not seem like much now but it is more than 40% difference if I have my sums right). It appears that the Parnall models were the only British auto (or semi auto) washer to have a suds saving facility although the operation was very different to that of the US machines.
A great lunch time read
Al
£112 GEC
Al I wonder if its related to the Morphy Richards automatic?? I didnt know they did them until I saw a price list on a MR sales sheet - I assume they are derivitives of the EE regime machines...
Great scan Paul, thanks for posting!!
Al I wonder if its related to the Morphy Richards automatic?? I didnt know they did them until I saw a price list on a MR sales sheet - I assume they are derivitives of the EE regime machines...
Great scan Paul, thanks for posting!!
Morphy Richards Automatic
Gosh
There is a lot of news creeping out of this bit of woodwork
Al
Gosh
There is a lot of news creeping out of this bit of woodwork
Al
Ooooh!
My Hoover Keymatic became Best Buy! I'm a very proud owner!!
My Hoover Keymatic became Best Buy! I'm a very proud owner!!
Servis....
I wonder if Servis have enough spares in stock for to be able to build another MK42 ?? they do state that they intend on stocking spares indefinitely...LOL
Keith
I wonder if Servis have enough spares in stock for to be able to build another MK42 ?? they do state that they intend on stocking spares indefinitely...LOL
Keith
MK42
Well according to ya man who has all the spares "yes, they did" all we need is a machine to use them on .....Lol
Well according to ya man who has all the spares "yes, they did" all we need is a machine to use them on .....Lol
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thats just it Mike
I've salvaged so many spares, we just need the machines to fit them to, though on the otherhand it's not as though we are short of projects to work on either lol.
Hi Al, I think the GEC and also a Singer automatic are shown in a later 1960's which, which I dont have, they looked continental from memory, nothing like the English electric/westinghouse designs
With reference to the liberator 4027, it really was only a visual change in design, the controls were moved to the top, and just correspond to the dial and red thumbwheel of the 4021 and 4023 machines, it was still a single direction tumbling action, using the three belt transmission. I think they ought to have been viewed and advertised as simply a cold fill machine requiring one tap connection, with the option of adding hot water if you prefered, I'm sure most people who had them plumbed in never used the hot fill option.
Mathew
I've salvaged so many spares, we just need the machines to fit them to, though on the otherhand it's not as though we are short of projects to work on either lol.
Hi Al, I think the GEC and also a Singer automatic are shown in a later 1960's which, which I dont have, they looked continental from memory, nothing like the English electric/westinghouse designs
With reference to the liberator 4027, it really was only a visual change in design, the controls were moved to the top, and just correspond to the dial and red thumbwheel of the 4021 and 4023 machines, it was still a single direction tumbling action, using the three belt transmission. I think they ought to have been viewed and advertised as simply a cold fill machine requiring one tap connection, with the option of adding hot water if you prefered, I'm sure most people who had them plumbed in never used the hot fill option.
Mathew
paulinroyton
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I have never heard to a Stokvis washer, and I thought Bendix machine where made in Italy. The Bendix LA is made in the uk.
Would love to find some of these vintage machines.
Paul
I have never heard to a Stokvis washer, and I thought Bendix machine where made in Italy. The Bendix LA is made in the uk.
Would love to find some of these vintage machines.
Paul
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Hi Paul.
Many thanks for posting the old Which reports - always a very fun read, though painful to think of sooo many classic machines that we havent got a hope in hell of finding.
To find a UK based STOKVIS - certainly would be an interesting machine to have a gander at.
Thanks to Ingemar for posting the video link to the machne preserved overseas. Looks in superb condition and the video is superbly edited.
Hi Al.
Mathew is right, in that the GEC appears in the October 1967 Which magazine - have posted the picture below.
Thanks I think to Paul, for posting the 1967 report a few years back.
Many thanks for posting the old Which reports - always a very fun read, though painful to think of sooo many classic machines that we havent got a hope in hell of finding.
To find a UK based STOKVIS - certainly would be an interesting machine to have a gander at.
Thanks to Ingemar for posting the video link to the machne preserved overseas. Looks in superb condition and the video is superbly edited.
Hi Al.
Mathew is right, in that the GEC appears in the October 1967 Which magazine - have posted the picture below.
Thanks I think to Paul, for posting the 1967 report a few years back.
Just wondering
Do you think the 1967 GEC front loader with back panel and the 1969 Stokvis with front panel controls could be out of the same stable??
The porthole & fronts look very similar!!
Do you think the 1967 GEC front loader with back panel and the 1969 Stokvis with front panel controls could be out of the same stable??
The porthole & fronts look very similar!!
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Paul (Derby)
As noted in the other thread, you are just wonderful for keeping track of these things
Nomination seconded!
Looking at that GEC and particularly the soap powder dispenser I am thinking Philco bearing in mind from some of the postings of our Italian friends there seem to have been quite a variety of models.
Paul (Royton)
I find this confusing too - I wonder if they were assembled here only? Certainly the later ones are noted as being made in Italy (Paul (D) can you check the last wide bodied washer drier from the late 1970s - something tells me that was Spain) and the Philco connection is noted in Mike's 1977 report recently posted.
Al
Paul (Derby)
As noted in the other thread, you are just wonderful for keeping track of these things
Nomination seconded!
Looking at that GEC and particularly the soap powder dispenser I am thinking Philco bearing in mind from some of the postings of our Italian friends there seem to have been quite a variety of models.
Paul (Royton)
I find this confusing too - I wonder if they were assembled here only? Certainly the later ones are noted as being made in Italy (Paul (D) can you check the last wide bodied washer drier from the late 1970s - something tells me that was Spain) and the Philco connection is noted in Mike's 1977 report recently posted.
Al
Stokvis (literally translated from Dutch meaning stockfish...) was a Dutch company from Rotterdam. Full name was R.S. Stokvis. The company was named after it's founder Rafaël Samuel Stokvis. Originally it was a company selling stuff like British hardware, tools etc. Later appliances got the name Erres, after R.S. Other brands that Stokvis owned were EMI, Indola, ASW, Fasto and Solex. They also imported Austin cars into the Netherlands.
Philips took a business interest in the Erres brand in 1930. Some of the Erres products were relabeled Philips products that were sometimes sourced from other companies. Other products were still made in the Netherlands. In 1966 Philips owned the whole Erres label including the company that made products for Erres. In the 1980's Philips stopped using the name Erres.
IIRC, some of the Erres products were sold in the UK as Stokvis.
Philips took a business interest in the Erres brand in 1930. Some of the Erres products were relabeled Philips products that were sometimes sourced from other companies. Other products were still made in the Netherlands. In 1966 Philips owned the whole Erres label including the company that made products for Erres. In the 1980's Philips stopped using the name Erres.
IIRC, some of the Erres products were sold in the UK as Stokvis.
GEC
Having checked the rest of the report it says that the GEC was made in Italy.
Al
Having checked the rest of the report it says that the GEC was made in Italy.
Al
keymatic3203
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Hi Al,
it also occured to me, after reading you had confirmed the gec was italian, that a friend of mine who work with GEC serviceing back in the early 60's, said that the gec double plus twin tub was an italian design, could that have been by the same manufacturer. It was generally felt that this machine wasn't up to the usual high standards of there products, such as the economising of only having one motor, so washer, pump and spinner all ran at the same time as in the cheapest rolls.
Thinking further, there is that italian twin tub on youtube, I can't remember it's name, that has a cork screw implellor and a spin can at the side of the wash tub, so against that the double plus would be a step up in refinement.
So questions, as the gec automatic and if the gec twin tub both italian made/ designed and was the double plus if made in britain but italian designed produced by an italian company and sold elsewhere under a different name?
I would be interested to know,
Thanks
Mathew
Hi Al,
it also occured to me, after reading you had confirmed the gec was italian, that a friend of mine who work with GEC serviceing back in the early 60's, said that the gec double plus twin tub was an italian design, could that have been by the same manufacturer. It was generally felt that this machine wasn't up to the usual high standards of there products, such as the economising of only having one motor, so washer, pump and spinner all ran at the same time as in the cheapest rolls.
Thinking further, there is that italian twin tub on youtube, I can't remember it's name, that has a cork screw implellor and a spin can at the side of the wash tub, so against that the double plus would be a step up in refinement.
So questions, as the gec automatic and if the gec twin tub both italian made/ designed and was the double plus if made in britain but italian designed produced by an italian company and sold elsewhere under a different name?
I would be interested to know,
Thanks
Mathew
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Mathew
Just checked back to the September 1960 Which report which tested the Double Plus and it states that the GEC was made in the UK - although there is nothing to say that the design was not of Italian or other origin - heaven knows there were enough products of that era where we "borrowed" the design from others.
I recall that twin tub you mentioned but was it not of Russian or other Eastern Bloc manufacture? Although again, designs may have been borrowed and/or developed from others. That same report features both the EE (Westinghouse design), the Thor (built by Parnall i think) and a Parnall of which it states operation if not appearence is identical to the Thor. Here is a shot of that Double Plus, a real oddity - photo courtsey of ChesterMike
Mathew
Just checked back to the September 1960 Which report which tested the Double Plus and it states that the GEC was made in the UK - although there is nothing to say that the design was not of Italian or other origin - heaven knows there were enough products of that era where we "borrowed" the design from others.
I recall that twin tub you mentioned but was it not of Russian or other Eastern Bloc manufacture? Although again, designs may have been borrowed and/or developed from others. That same report features both the EE (Westinghouse design), the Thor (built by Parnall i think) and a Parnall of which it states operation if not appearence is identical to the Thor. Here is a shot of that Double Plus, a real oddity - photo courtsey of ChesterMike
GEC Twin
Thomas, that would make sense as was talking to Gary, Electron1100 earlier and he confirmed that his family had this machine when his Dad was stationed in Germany, it was their family washer..
Very interesting design
Thomas, that would make sense as was talking to Gary, Electron1100 earlier and he confirmed that his family had this machine when his Dad was stationed in Germany, it was their family washer..
Very interesting design
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