I remember going with my mother to buy our first WP DD in october of 1988. It was a super capacity 6 cycle one speed machine. That machine had the surgilator where the barrel of the agi lifted off to clean the little filter at the bottom. The 5 vanes on the skirt were much thinner and more flexible than on the Triple Action Agitaotor i have now. It worked well and actually had very good turnover with no wear and tear that i can remember. I guess what i am saying is you don't really need a DAA when you are basically dealing with the washing machine version of an Osterizer LOL.
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70series
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My parents had a DD 90 series with a 3 speed motor. The only time they used that shredmore speed was with large sturdy loads. Anything less would not have moved them much. Otherwise it was used for items like towels and rags that were filthy from being used as drop cloths. For most loads they used the medium speed which handled pretty well, and we never had a shredding incident. My mother knew just by watching it that the faster speed could be too strong. One time I was washing a few items that I thought were dirty enough to warrant use of that speed. My mother heard the fast agitation, walked over to the washer, and changed the speed to medium (which was labeled "Regular"), asking me: "Why are you using Heavy Fast?"
I will say at least with ours we had the option of using the slower speed with a fast spin. The mid-line and BOL washers offered did not provide the user with that option, so there was little one could do. Honestly though, I have never heard complaints about shredded clothes from anyone had those models.
Have a good one,
James
I will say at least with ours we had the option of using the slower speed with a fast spin. The mid-line and BOL washers offered did not provide the user with that option, so there was little one could do. Honestly though, I have never heard complaints about shredded clothes from anyone had those models.
Have a good one,
James
Found this on YouTube
This is what I was talking about with clothes that just sit there in a Direct Drive washer. The washer is running on delicate speed, but the agitator is continually beating the clothes on the bottom and the top stuff is just getting wet and going nowhere.
This is what I was talking about with clothes that just sit there in a Direct Drive washer. The washer is running on delicate speed, but the agitator is continually beating the clothes on the bottom and the top stuff is just getting wet and going nowhere.
Kenmoreguy64's video says it all about WP-KN-DD machines as far as I am concerned.A BD Surgilator would have better action and circulation that that DD at low speed.A BD DA at slow speed has better circulation than that DD at low speed.The time I owned a KN DD with DA agitator-had to use it in the fast clothes shred and blend,chop mode to get any sort of circulation.With my BD surgilator and DA machines-no damage at low or high speeds.Better machines all around.The lower speed and longer stroke of the WP-KN BD machines makes a world of diffrence.Glad I swapped my KN-DD DA machine for the WP Surgilator-been happier with the BD.
rll70sman
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I have to admit that I don't understand all this hype about the harshness of direct-drive machines. ANY washer could damage your clothes if overloaded. In the entire nine years I've lived on my own, I've used Kenmore or Whirlpool direct-drive washers. NEVER has anything been ripped or abraded and everything has come out clean. A "Shredmore" is only such if the inappropriate cycle or the wrong amount of additives or water temperature are used. Stuffing them full doesn't help either.
Rob, I disagree...
Over a year ago when I was getting my "collection" started, I had, for a brief time, a 1984 Kenmore 24" DD washer. This one was a single speed with 2 cycles and was an early one with a spin drain.
After playing with it for a while, I decided to wash a "real" load of clothes in it. As I'm "into" this, I know how to load a washer, so there was a good "normal" load in it, not over loaded but not under-loaded either.
There was good roll over and everything was clean after. However, one of my shirts was damaged. It had a liner sewn inside the collar and lapel and after being washed in this machine, this liner was shredded and tangled in knots! Maybe it was the shock of being washed in a front loader all it's "life" to being
thrown into a "shredmore"?? LOL
That was the one and only time I washed any of my clothes in that machine. I listed it on Craigs List and sold it.
I do actually have a newer DD washer, a Kenmore Elite Catalyst with the TA (triple action) agitator. It's a 3 speed machine, works well when it works (dam
electronic control panel) and I like it a lot, though I have not washed any of my shirts in it.
Over a year ago when I was getting my "collection" started, I had, for a brief time, a 1984 Kenmore 24" DD washer. This one was a single speed with 2 cycles and was an early one with a spin drain.
After playing with it for a while, I decided to wash a "real" load of clothes in it. As I'm "into" this, I know how to load a washer, so there was a good "normal" load in it, not over loaded but not under-loaded either.
There was good roll over and everything was clean after. However, one of my shirts was damaged. It had a liner sewn inside the collar and lapel and after being washed in this machine, this liner was shredded and tangled in knots! Maybe it was the shock of being washed in a front loader all it's "life" to being
thrown into a "shredmore"?? LOL
That was the one and only time I washed any of my clothes in that machine. I listed it on Craigs List and sold it.
I do actually have a newer DD washer, a Kenmore Elite Catalyst with the TA (triple action) agitator. It's a 3 speed machine, works well when it works (dam
electronic control panel) and I like it a lot, though I have not washed any of my shirts in it.
rll70sman
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Interesting, Kevin, and sorry to hear about the damage to your clothes in a direct-drive machine. It'd be a treat to see one of the earliest direct drives with the spin drain. I've heard of them but never seen one. Everyone I knew that had Kenmores either still had a belt drive or bought a late model direct drive.
Since I've had one in the past
I'll put my 2 cents in. At the present mine is sitting over in a corner of the basement accompanied by the dryer that goes with it. I've known for a long time the "art" of loading properly. I can say that with my single speed DD that I never had anything get torn up but I did notice accelerated wear on certain items. As soon as I got my first Frigidaire I instantly noticed less lint on the clothing after washing, and they were brighter, and cleaner smelling.
Now, for Frigidaire Ropes... If you do not understand how to load a Frigidaire properly, you can certainly expect a poor outcome (as with any machine) but I'd have a hard time seeing how it could tear up much of anything, especially the older style agitators in the Unimatics. Quadrant style loading always produces a fine outcome for me, and a well balanced spin also.
I'll put my 2 cents in. At the present mine is sitting over in a corner of the basement accompanied by the dryer that goes with it. I've known for a long time the "art" of loading properly. I can say that with my single speed DD that I never had anything get torn up but I did notice accelerated wear on certain items. As soon as I got my first Frigidaire I instantly noticed less lint on the clothing after washing, and they were brighter, and cleaner smelling.
Now, for Frigidaire Ropes... If you do not understand how to load a Frigidaire properly, you can certainly expect a poor outcome (as with any machine) but I'd have a hard time seeing how it could tear up much of anything, especially the older style agitators in the Unimatics. Quadrant style loading always produces a fine outcome for me, and a well balanced spin also.
mrb627
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Non-daa agitator
I have always preferred a regular old one piece agitator over the daa. IMO, if you are loading your machine such that an auger is required to turn the load over, you are overloading your machine. Clothes should have room to move around in the water in order to get clean. If clothing is packed into the machine, you are simply gonna shift soils from one garment to another eventually leading to dingy clothes.
Malcolm
I have always preferred a regular old one piece agitator over the daa. IMO, if you are loading your machine such that an auger is required to turn the load over, you are overloading your machine. Clothes should have room to move around in the water in order to get clean. If clothing is packed into the machine, you are simply gonna shift soils from one garment to another eventually leading to dingy clothes.
Malcolm
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WP Spin-Drain?
I didn't know that the WP DD machines once had a spin drain. I know you can manually make it spin drain by opening the lid right after it kicks into drain, then it will kick into spin. I'm not sure if the early DD's came to Canada, or if we just got the models with neutral drain. Those were the only versions I saw here, and I don't think they came here until the 90's.
I didn't know that the WP DD machines once had a spin drain. I know you can manually make it spin drain by opening the lid right after it kicks into drain, then it will kick into spin. I'm not sure if the early DD's came to Canada, or if we just got the models with neutral drain. Those were the only versions I saw here, and I don't think they came here until the 90's.
surgilator_68
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Shredmores
We have one of the original spin drain DD machines that was used for Wpl training wayyyyyy back when. I'm sure John will elaborate.
As for shredding clothing I honestly have no idea what anyone is talking about. After our beloved 1971 Kenmore died in 1984 it was replaced by the original 24in DD machine. Although no one liked the machine, it never ruined a piece of clothing. That machine was then replaced by a triple dispenser DD mechanical control and that was replaced with a 3 speed electronic DD. Not once did any of those machines damage clothing. The only time I ever remember the gentle cycle being used was for the sheer curtains, which I still have and are over 40 years old and would not hesitate to wash in a DD today.
If you load it properly and use the right wash times you won't have any problems. I can honestly say if we only had top loaders and there was no Speed Queen I would have a DD whirlpool, or rather Maytag. I do like the styling of the Maytag better. And if I couldn't have those I would have a GE.
Now for calling them shredmores....grow up. Show some of the respect that you all demand for your Frigidaire machines. The DD is now a vintage machine, a piece of history and represents a huge step forward in design and technology.
We have one of the original spin drain DD machines that was used for Wpl training wayyyyyy back when. I'm sure John will elaborate.
As for shredding clothing I honestly have no idea what anyone is talking about. After our beloved 1971 Kenmore died in 1984 it was replaced by the original 24in DD machine. Although no one liked the machine, it never ruined a piece of clothing. That machine was then replaced by a triple dispenser DD mechanical control and that was replaced with a 3 speed electronic DD. Not once did any of those machines damage clothing. The only time I ever remember the gentle cycle being used was for the sheer curtains, which I still have and are over 40 years old and would not hesitate to wash in a DD today.
If you load it properly and use the right wash times you won't have any problems. I can honestly say if we only had top loaders and there was no Speed Queen I would have a DD whirlpool, or rather Maytag. I do like the styling of the Maytag better. And if I couldn't have those I would have a GE.
Now for calling them shredmores....grow up. Show some of the respect that you all demand for your Frigidaire machines. The DD is now a vintage machine, a piece of history and represents a huge step forward in design and technology.
70series
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Thanks for showing the video Gordon. That was the speed we used for most of our regular loads. For loads like the one featured we used the fast speed which generated effective turnover, and made better use of the Triple Action feature which our washer had. Again, we never had anything shredded or worn on this speed or any other; we always made sure it was loaded properly. My brother and sister each have had MOL DD Kenmores and I never heard any complaints from them.
While it may not be as good a design as the BD, the DD has proven to be effective in cleaning ability and reliability. The fact that they have been around for 25+ years proves it.
Have a good one,
James
While it may not be as good a design as the BD, the DD has proven to be effective in cleaning ability and reliability. The fact that they have been around for 25+ years proves it.
Have a good one,
James
In spite of all the nick-names we have come up with for the BD/DD auger-type agitators such as 'Cruel-Action" and "Shredmore", I really can't see how they could possibly be any more aggressive than a Super Surgilator in an old BD.
If there is ever any doubt, just overload a Surgilator equipped BD and stick your hand down into the turbulence near the bottom and see what you think! The thing is a BRUTE!
If there is ever any doubt, just overload a Surgilator equipped BD and stick your hand down into the turbulence near the bottom and see what you think! The thing is a BRUTE!
rll70sman
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Well said, Jason!
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For some additional perspective, Whirlpool
has manufactured well over 90 million direct-drive washers since their introduction in the early 1980's.
has manufactured well over 90 million direct-drive washers since their introduction in the early 1980's.
AUTOMATIC WASHER PRODUCTION
Leslie do you have any idea how many BD WPs were built over there almost 40 yr. run 1947-1987 ?. MT ran there helical drive design from 1956-2006 50 years. GE ran the perforated basket FF design about 33 years 1961-1994. But it may be the that the DD is the most produced washer ever its certainly more than GE or MT.
Leslie do you have any idea how many BD WPs were built over there almost 40 yr. run 1947-1987 ?. MT ran there helical drive design from 1956-2006 50 years. GE ran the perforated basket FF design about 33 years 1961-1994. But it may be the that the DD is the most produced washer ever its certainly more than GE or MT.
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John "Combo52"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the MT helical drive was dropped in favour of the "dependable drive" in the mid-to-late 90's. I've actually seen some late 90's Maytags. On the outside and in the tub, they still had the older design, but with the new tranny. They had the new agitator and that swift short agitation.
Gary
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the MT helical drive was dropped in favour of the "dependable drive" in the mid-to-late 90's. I've actually seen some late 90's Maytags. On the outside and in the tub, they still had the older design, but with the new tranny. They had the new agitator and that swift short agitation.
Gary
MT HELICAL DRIVE WASHERS
The helical reefers to the spiral cut in the bottom of the agitator shaft. This was a very cleaver and durable way to shift from agitate to spin. Most washers that used a reversing motor used a helix spring { GE,WH,PHILCO,even Frigidare unimatic and multi- matic] these would eventually break and stop working. MT used this system from 1956-2006 it doesn't matter which transmission it has most parts of the drive line are the same.
The helical reefers to the spiral cut in the bottom of the agitator shaft. This was a very cleaver and durable way to shift from agitate to spin. Most washers that used a reversing motor used a helix spring { GE,WH,PHILCO,even Frigidare unimatic and multi- matic] these would eventually break and stop working. MT used this system from 1956-2006 it doesn't matter which transmission it has most parts of the drive line are the same.
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