Whirlpool Cabrio

[DADoES]

Scheduled to arrive in July 2006.

4.5 cu ft
*toploading*
washer/dryer
COMBO

http://www.appliancemagazine.com/news.php?article=9771&zone=0&first=1

 

[westytoploader]

All I can say is WOW...I wonder how this will be accomplished? Doesn't say if it's an h-axis machine in the article.

Bouncing basket maybe? I heard it was based on the Oasis in another thread.

 

[DADoES]

I'm thinking F&P may be involved in the design. We already know F&P is manufacturing motors for Whirlpool. Will be fascinating to see what exactly is the deal!

 

[frigilux]

I'm suspicious about it being a 'combo' unit. Consider a couple of things: It would have to be a Staber-type machine, right (top loading, but H-axis)? Can you imagine trying to pull clothes out of a tub that deep? You'd need an arm extension!

I'll be a balloon-popper and guess that the Cabrio will be a separate washer and dryer, a twin to the Kenmore Oasis. If I'm wrong, you can all point and laugh at me, LOL. Actually, I hope I AM wrong! It would be an interesting unit.

 

[DADoES]

My F&P topload dryer is 6.2 cu ft. It's deep, but certainly manageable. But I'm wondering if the term "combo" is being misused in this case ...

 

[westytoploader]

It does emphasize on "combination washer-dryer" though, so I wouldn't think it would be a separate unit. But then it could be a stacked set, where the term "Combo" is used the most...

 

[appnut]

The Cabrio is the cousin to the Oasis. The 4.5 cyu. ft. is the Oasis drum measurement.

 

[DADoES]

I read the text again. The term "combo" in the traditional sense apparently is being misued. A separate washer and dryer is mentioned (underlining is mine):
<blockquote>...and is said to significantly reduce dry time through a combination of the washer’s ultra-fast spin speed and the dryer’s AccelerCare(TM) system.</blockquote>

 

[launderess]

Whirlpool does not mean "dryer" as in heated clothes dryer, but as in spin dryer. Someone posted a link in another section to an Appliance Magazine PR release on upcoming Whirlpool appliances. The Cabrio will have a very high final rpm spin speed, thus removing more moisture than most if not all top loaders currently on the American market. Think along the lines of a F&P or vintage Frigidare with their 1140 rpm final spin speeds and you are on the right track.

Whirlpool is selling the Cabrio on the fact that it will not only launder a huge amount of laundry at once, but will spin that laundry out so dry it will require less time in the dryer, if any time at all.

Think what we are seeing here is American appliance makers trying to design something unique to the American market; washing machines that hold allot of laundry, are top loading (which most Americans still vastly prefer), are gentle on clothing (no central beater) and have fast final spin speeds to remove more water/detergent residue and speed drying times.

Fast final spins will help reduce energy use since laundry will take less time in the dryer, this will help offset the amount of energy required for heating water (warm or hot water), again building a washer more suited to the way Americans prefer doing laundry.

Launderess

 

[peterh770]

Somewhere around here, someone has a copy of a WP patent on a top-loading H-axis design. Maybe they are using that patent and actually making a new machine like this.

Maybe the Cabrio is a suped-up KM Oasis?

 

[foraloysius]

Someone posted a link to a video of the Cabrio on THS. It's better looking than the Oasis IMHO. The window is clear! That is at least an advantage over the Oasis.

http://www.bhg.com/video/videoDisplay.jhtml?videoId=ab369d70cab629f4f32026c6d3cba38c103e91fb

 

[foraloysius]

I was the one with the WP patent.

 

[toggleswitch]

What exactly IS a WP AccelerCare (tm)dryer system, anyway?

 

[peterh770]

It's fast but gentle. Probably uses a lower temperature because it doesn't need high heat if the load is extracted properly at high speed in the companion washer.

Another oversized impeller washer...

 

[cvillewasherbo]

oasis vs cabrio

I think the oasis has a "tinted" window and the cabrio has a clear window. This seems to be a difference in the HE's vs. the duet's. I don't know why anyone would want a tinted window, I want to see what's going on in there--a big reason why I wouldn't have bought the former Neptune's even if someone said they were the greatest in the world!

I've been a washer watcher since I was 2 years old as my Mom had a 1956 GE Combination Washer/Dryer.

I'm sure that the term "combo" in describing the new cabrio and oasis means that you have to buy the "pair" to get the combo thing. Tricky and incorrect wording IMO.

Courtney

 

[vivalalavatrice]

There it is!

The patent Louis have posted refers only about a PULLEY SYSTEM FOR AUTOMATIC WASHERS...(that's what I honestly have read) the same system that any tumbling (American FL) washer uses. In this case it shows in the draw at the bottom a drum with the TL opening system...like any TL European washers!
An appliance like that can be a washer, and can be a dryer either (as F&P TL dryers), why couldn't it be a combo?!?!?
I have said several times that that's the common system of any European TL washer (H-axis). In France it's the most prefered (they like TL, but want tumbling system too), and as French can't renounce to the "essorage", they have
- TL H-axis washers;
- TL H-axis dryers;
- TL H-axis combo!

I'm waiting to know the truth about that machine, but in the mean time I say you all that if it were really a combo washer dryer like a TL h-axis... with such capacity... well it would be a really GREAT MACHINE... THE BEST EVERYONE HAS INVENTED, PRODUCED, PURCHASED!

Good Bye
Diomede

 

[the7]

Thomson TL H-aixis Combo

My son in Hong Kong recently bought a Thomson TX 898 which is a washer/dryer combo, made in France. It washes 6kg and drys 3 kg.
Brandt has an identical combo.

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Here you are! IT'S TRUE!

Do you see I was saying the truth?!?!? Here you are how could it be the NEW AMERICAN WHIRLPOOL TL COMBO WASHER/DRYER!

There are the first problem! You can see that the drying load it's alwasy about a HALF washing load! But we're looking forward to see the new appliance how it'll work!
Here the first brand has produced combo (lavasciuga) was Candy... with Alisè in 1986: Now "the pioneers of that tecnology" in Candy have arrived to produce a combo called 5+5, that allow you to wash 5 kilos and dry 5 kilos in ONE CILCE! You don't need to share the load spun, to do two separately half drying cicle (like was happneing before, with any combo which dried only half washing load)

I LOVE IT! FL efficiency with TL confort...nothing better...

BYE
Diomede

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Eh... magari!

I read the article again... I'm afraid to have found that probabily they will be two separately appliances... as DADoES just notified...a sort of Kenmore Oasis set twin!
It would be too much beautiful to see in the USA a machine like that in the patent above... but let's not disperate Everything might happen...

Bye!

 

[toggleswitch]

Lavascuiga Bella

Looking for a link to the Thomson combo.
Can anyone assist?

-Molto Grazie

 

[foraloysius]

Thomson combo

Here's a link to a company from Singapore that sells this machine. BTW, the Thomson machines are very similar to the Brandt washers. IÍRC it's the same washer from the same company, just a different label.

http://www.rinaelectrical.com.sg/product_tpl_desc.asp?pId=216

 

[toggleswitch]

What a cute little thing!

Thanks Louis.

CM===> 45 x 60 x 85
Inches => 18 x 24 x 34

I had never before seen such a narrow combo with dryer.

Of course, a horizontal-axis machine.
Condenser or vented dryer? HMMMMMMMM.......

 

[foraloysius]

Condenser dryer.

 

[chestermikeuk]

Frigidaire TL Washer Dryer

In 1978 Which Consumer Reports we had two Tl Washer Dryer`s tested. These where the Frigidaire & Miele.

The Frigidaire was made by GM in France , Miele obviously Germany.

Frigidaire Spec = H 96, W 45, D 62, 5kg Load , Cold Fill, 850 RPM, Price = £300

Miele Spec = H 85, W 44, D 63, 4.3kg load, Cold Fill, 920 RPM, Price = £699

Both machines took over 2hrs to dry 2.5kg load (17 cotton nappies), Both where Condenser Dryers, Water Cooled.

 

[foraloysius]

WOWWWW!!!!!

That's a cute machine!!! How were the test results for these machines?

 

[the7]

My son in HK says Brandt has an identical model as Thomson TX898 with name only the change of name.

 

[foraloysius]

How is your French?

Link to the French Brandt website.

http://www.brandt.fr/jahia/

 

[Designgeek]

OK, so the dryer capacity is half the washer capacity. Simple solution: wash half-sized loads so they become full loads during the dry cycle. That's 6 lbs. instead of 12, but who's complaining?

I also like the way the Thomson listing in Singapore specifies power consumption in KWH for a load of a given size. Far better, in my opinion, than the USA method which is based on a typical year's usage. Typical year for who...?

The Thomson appears to use 1.4 KWH for a full load. That's probably something like 0.6 KWH for the wash cycle, and 0.8 KWH for the dry cycle, which is pretty efficient for a 6 lb. load.

And as per usual, having a window would be nice.

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Bene, bene! A furor di popolo...

Steve, do you speak italian too?!?!? Good, so you will understand me, when sometimes I wrote something in my mothertongue language
If you are good at french too you will probabily have had a look at the website thaht Louis kindly posted
As you can see French have the most of TL h-axis, they love this kind of machine... they have got washers, dryers, combos... everything with top loading!

Somewhere I read for a personal research, that the cuase of that choise was becasuse of the small dimensions of the apartements in France's town at the beginning of the century ('900); this make French to choise the solution of that kind of machines which without any doubt are the narrowest washers working with that capacity.

I saw that the idea of having a TL H-axis in USA excited you all! I alwasy have said it! You can have a top loading washers (as you are habited to), with the same efficiency (in terms of water usage and electric consumes) that is tipical of the tumble washing system in a front loading washers.

When someone in Italy found something of great which will revolve his/her life people say him/her "Bravo, hai trovato l'America"...
But in this case IS THE EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE!!! I would have to say you "Good you have foud the Europe"! LOL))

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Appoint to the axis...

Staber washer is the only (I suppose) TL h-axis in USA. It is a litte different from all other TL h-axis we have been speaking still now.

Staber has the axis perpendicular to you ... the drum rotates on the left and on the right... This was the same system used in some old European TL in the past... I remember my aunt's old washer which was an IGNIS, but there were also some Castor and some Whirlpool like that... they were large 60 cm!!! They had identical dimensions of a FL (W=60 cm, H= 85 cm, D= 54/60 cm), although they were TL.
Now, the most of the TL h-axis, use the axis parallel at you (think to Launderall), the drum rotates back and forth! The pulley trasmission now is not on the back again, but is on the side... This made possible to have dimensions such as W= 40/45 cm, H= 85/90 cm, D=60 cm Even if you put the washer rotated into your laundry, you won't ever get the same dimension as the previous TL washers...THEY HAVE BECOME SMALLER! )

I think that only Hoover with SpazioTop model has a washer with the same dimension of the old TL, but the depth is less (42 cm).

BYE!