Whirlpool dishwasher motors update

[gelaundry4ever]

I understand the visualation of components and construction is important.
However, besides that, it's the actual performance in operation can only be determined by testing or use.

Nevertheless, things are not built like they WERE back when.

I completely agree, and it's only getting worse. We have dish misters, not dishwashers.

 

[phillymatt53]

I completely agree, and it's only getting worse. We have dish misters, not dishwashers.

Some might say they'd rather piss on their dishes and they'd come out cleaner!

 

[johnb300m]

Why don't you buy my broken KUDS25 PowerClean KitchenAid Jerome?
You can finally learn about actual appliances, and fix it up and learn how they go together.
Then you'll finally, FINALLY have your big beefy motor and lots of splashy water that can scrub the Ford building (Lmao, which they are tearing down by the way, to move to a new modern Tech center).

 

[michaelz08]

Hi Mike,
I can appreciate the intention for appliances to use less water per cycle.
However, the "water saving- energy saving" advertizing is, if you dig deep enough, a form of propaganda used in marketing, and entices consumers to believe they'll benefit from purchasing such products.

What manufacturers won't mention, or realize, is how a given savings and efficiency of something will actually please the consumer.
I'll use the well-known phrase "Your Mileage May Vary".

Take for instance, those water-saving low-flow faucets and shower heads.
There are sometimes when you may want a forceful stream of water.
But since that option has been forcefully taken from you, oh well!
File that under "Population Control" - lack of individual Freedoms.

And another one of the never discussed problems due to this "saving" propaganda is those new type of low-flow toilets....
You're led to "believe" that it's beneficial to save water - again, you're not allowed an option....
And what has those toilets accomplished?... read on..
That quick flush use's what, maybe a gallon to flush the dump and paper down?
OK... but the dump is now sitting under your home.... sitting, and sticking to the sewer pipe, and likely adhering to it, instead of flushing the crap all the way out to the street's main.
Mind you, the dishwasher, garbage disposal, etc, all leave "bits' in the pipe as well.
This eventually causes a major problem when you need to spend over a hundred bucks for a professional to come out unclog the line, because it's "your" responsability for any plumbing on your property.
So much for Savings!
I'm not joking!.... several of my neighbors have had to call in a plumber because of this very issue.
Because the main is 50 to 75 feet from the house, and a stinking gallon flush isn't going to propel solid sewage all the way where it needs to go.

Thanks, but I'll keep my 1970's Kohler toilet that I know flushes things right out of my lateral pipe to the street.
That 5 or 6 gallon flush insures that I'm not going to hire a plumber.

Bottom line, ignore things that you're "told" to believe are beneficial to "the green" propoganda.

There are some cases where good intentions have unintended consequences. Low flow toilets in an old home are an example as yes, the plumbing relies on the water flow to move sewage.

But you’re most certainly going too far off the deep end with the series of examples here. You sound like a curmudgeon on the matter.

I pay my water bill. I like my bills to remain reasonable. Things have gotten fairly expensive for those my age, especially after COVID. If I can reduce the amount of water used without altering effectiveness, every little bit of water saving adds up to a difference, from my low flow shower head to my 3 gallon dishwasher. So, that is a selling point to me and surely many others. Because efficiency is cost effective.

And just because water is abundant where you live, doesn’t mean it is everywhere? Do you not know there are regions even within the US where water is either expensive or the reservoirs they draw from can only supply so much at a given point in time?

Tell me the last time you heard someone going on about how they wish our cars still took leaded gasoline and got an average of 13 miles per gallon?

 

[phillymatt53]

There are some cases where good intentions have unintended consequences. Low flow toilets in an old home are an example as yes, the plumbing relies on the water flow to move sewage.

But you’re most certainly going too far off the deep end with the series of examples here. You sound like a curmudgeon on the matter.

I pay my water bill. I like my bills to remain reasonable. Things have gotten fairly expensive for those my age, especially after COVID. If I can reduce the amount of water used without altering effectiveness, every little bit of water saving adds up to a difference, from my low flow shower head to my 3 gallon dishwasher. So, that is a selling point to me and surely many others. Because efficiency is cost effective.

And just because water is abundant where you live, doesn’t mean it is everywhere? Do you not know there are regions even within the US where water is either expensive or the reservoirs they draw from can only supply so much at a given point in time?

Tell me the last time you heard someone going on about how they wish our cars still took leaded gasoline and got an average of 13 miles per gallon?

I can certainly understand a person being frugal about spending and living within their means, I'm the same way.
Being retired now, I'm careful, and use common sense about spending as well.

However, I don't think it's accurate to think that my water availability is a factor pertaining to my comments, because I'm merely pointing out the fact that not all of the mandated legislations concerning water level control of appliances are as beneficial as claimed to be.
I was pointing out things as the toilet situation causing people to spend a lot more money for plumbing repair services because of water saving legislation.
There goes any of their water-saving, down the drain.

And anyone who personally knows me can tell you that I'm far from being labeled a curmudgeon type of guy, asides from friendly joking.
Even my younger friends, relatives, neighbors, in their mid-30's have told me that they've admired my vast knowledge about things, and that it's helped them to avoid having to deal with some issues.

 

[combo52]

Growing older and becoming an old curmudgeon

This was an important life lesson for me as I’m even older than Matt.

My first job in the St was working for two really great guys Bill and Bob. They had a good attitude and were fun to work with. As time went on Bill became more and more negative. This was in the 80s and everything was no good. the customers are all out to get us. The manufacturers were making nothing but junk and wanted to cheat the dealer at every return, etc. etc. he became so negative that it taught me that if I ever get this way, I will quit the business.

Matt, most of your examples are highly exaggerate. You have no idea what caused the plumbing clogs that your neighbors had. I have 180 feet of cast-iron drain pipe running from my house out to the street and then all the way across the street where the sewer hooks up on the opposite side. 38 years ago, I changed out all three toilets to low flow toilets. I have never had a problem I use my garbage disposals continuously and always never have a problem.

Your old 70s toilet does not likely use 7 gallons either very few toilets ever used more than 3 1/2 at that time.

I love new technology. It’s amazing how these new dishwashers can get a load completely clean cleaner than your old KitchenAid ever could with only three or 4 gallons of water as I said in another post, I had a KSS 20 in my kitchen for about eight years and it worked quite well, but I got sick of the food rotting in the bottom of it it always stunk, and it didn’t dry nearly as well as other machines and that’s why you end up rinsing a lot of your dishes, etc. you’re not challenging it because you don’t have a great dishwasher that works like the new ones you should treat yourself to some new stuff.

I intend to enjoy the hopefully many years I have left in one of the things that gives me great joy is the new technology of many products.

I got a top-of-the-line Chrysler Pacifica two years ago. It is just absolutely astounding how well everything works from the rain sense wipers to the auto dimming headlights the navigation systems vehicle surround safety. Features are amazing. I am so glad I got rid of my old 2004 Town & Country, which was a great vehicle and is still on the road. I’m just glad I don’t have it.

John L