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Whirlpool dishwasher sales resource guide for 2011
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Thanks for a really Great post. This is so simular to the sears I posted a few weeks back. It is just disappointing that the cycle times are so long. But I give them credit for nice styling.
Peter
Thanks for a really Great post. This is so simular to the sears I posted a few weeks back. It is just disappointing that the cycle times are so long. But I give them credit for nice styling.
Peter
I love the contradiction on one page--first the debunked myth of filters have to be cleaned and/or cleaned after every load. Then the cavaet about cleaning the filter once a year--yes if you scrape and rinse before loading!! Definitely got a big laugh out of that one.
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the cavaet about cleaning the filter once a year--yes if you
Yeah, that is pityful of Whirlpool!
And did you see the cycle times?! That's just absurd! My new dishwashers that use around the same amount of water and sure use less energy, take nearly half the time the Whirlpool needs for the same (or surely worse job!) Don't make me laugh!
ECO WASH /China Cycle approaching 2 hours?! God! The must be mad, on my SMEG it lasts 45 minutes and you take out stuff dried!
Sensor/Heavy cycle up to 4:40 hours?! They're crazy! I can run a heavy cycle in 120 minutes, two hours from start to finish and the machine uses only 1,4 kW and 13 litres of water!
Or in my less-than-new Indesit (2006) but still AAA class dishwasher, in 100 minutes with 1,7 kW and 18 litres...
Where are they thinking?
Also 2,7 gallons per wash with LOW SOILING on the NORMAL CYCLE, which never happens! Ha, most new machine can do the same or better as that but with a full cycle without fine prints! Oh Whirlpool, you never stop disappointing me!
Yeah, that is pityful of Whirlpool!
And did you see the cycle times?! That's just absurd! My new dishwashers that use around the same amount of water and sure use less energy, take nearly half the time the Whirlpool needs for the same (or surely worse job!) Don't make me laugh!
ECO WASH /China Cycle approaching 2 hours?! God! The must be mad, on my SMEG it lasts 45 minutes and you take out stuff dried!
Sensor/Heavy cycle up to 4:40 hours?! They're crazy! I can run a heavy cycle in 120 minutes, two hours from start to finish and the machine uses only 1,4 kW and 13 litres of water!
Or in my less-than-new Indesit (2006) but still AAA class dishwasher, in 100 minutes with 1,7 kW and 18 litres...
Where are they thinking?
Also 2,7 gallons per wash with LOW SOILING on the NORMAL CYCLE, which never happens! Ha, most new machine can do the same or better as that but with a full cycle without fine prints! Oh Whirlpool, you never stop disappointing me!
I am not impressed with non-self-cleaning filters, long cycle/programme times and the need for dishwasher silence rather than performance.
Ditto the need to run one wash arm at a time. (Europe close your ears!!!) Why why why are we going toward this engineering?
Lets get back forced-air drying and add tub lights.
ROBERT: if you could design a "universal" interface to replace the controls of these new dishwashers and washers with a PC /Mac version and get them to perform as in the old days, you'd be rich. (When you become rich may I become your butler/assistant/maid/servant? LOL)
Ditto the need to run one wash arm at a time. (Europe close your ears!!!) Why why why are we going toward this engineering?
Lets get back forced-air drying and add tub lights.
ROBERT: if you could design a "universal" interface to replace the controls of these new dishwashers and washers with a PC /Mac version and get them to perform as in the old days, you'd be rich. (When you become rich may I become your butler/assistant/maid/servant? LOL)
Mike, thanks for doing the scanning and posting.
I'm disappointed Whirlpool has done away with the hard food disposer on all of their dishwashers.
It's interesting how they tout the Eco Dry Option on one page, and then on another page they say "The heated dry system helps eliminate odors."
I'm disappointed Whirlpool has done away with the hard food disposer on all of their dishwashers.
It's interesting how they tout the Eco Dry Option on one page, and then on another page they say "The heated dry system helps eliminate odors."
At present, just about all of Maytag's lineup of dishwashers still have the soft food disposer. Some KitchenAid models do too.
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Ditto the need to run one wash arm at a time. (Europe close
Oh, don't worry, I think it's a stupid idea too!
I don't feel it's a good move! I have two machines, one with and one without. The additional piece and equipment to drive it make the machine more complicated and this is just to save 5 litres or so of water per load compared to the "classic" machine. Of course the pump in the "new" machine is 100W compared to the 200W of the other... are the savings worth it? It's not like going from top loading washing machines that use 200 litres per load to a front loader that uses 40 litres...
Oh, don't worry, I think it's a stupid idea too!
I don't feel it's a good move! I have two machines, one with and one without. The additional piece and equipment to drive it make the machine more complicated and this is just to save 5 litres or so of water per load compared to the "classic" machine. Of course the pump in the "new" machine is 100W compared to the 200W of the other... are the savings worth it? It's not like going from top loading washing machines that use 200 litres per load to a front loader that uses 40 litres...
4 to 7 hours later...
Odors. Slate color tub minimizes the *appearance* of tub-staining. White film on glassware; get a water softener. Time is hopefully on your side; you could turn on the dishwasher in the morning before leaving for work, come home for lunch and catch the final rinse.
Well all this sounds just lovely. No thanks.
Looks like dishwasher manufacturers have given up on trying to convince customers to stop pre-rinsing and designed a dishwasher that depends upon it.
2.7 gallons of water. Feh.
The KDS-14 uses nearly that much in the pre-wash. I cleaned the kitchen freezer last night and put all of the racks, bins and shelves into one load, along with a stray drinking glass. Started the machine and in 18 minutes, they were all clean and ready to put back into the freezer. The machine had time to spare as it took me longer to wipe out the interior and sort the contents before I was even ready for the racks. Resources? This machine does not heat the water so I used tap hot water, no dry cycle. We're on a municipal water system so the water that I used last night will be clean and flowing back out of the faucet in a relatively short time. Water used does not disappear from the planet forever, it gets recycled over and over again. I have a 50 gallon hot water heater so the water I used was already heated. Our utility pricing is pretty low compared to other parts of the country so I realize the costs can be crippling for those on a tight budget.
For my money, I'll keep the KitchenAid(s), Maytag and Kenmore Roto-Rack.
Odors. Slate color tub minimizes the *appearance* of tub-staining. White film on glassware; get a water softener. Time is hopefully on your side; you could turn on the dishwasher in the morning before leaving for work, come home for lunch and catch the final rinse.
Well all this sounds just lovely. No thanks.
Looks like dishwasher manufacturers have given up on trying to convince customers to stop pre-rinsing and designed a dishwasher that depends upon it.
2.7 gallons of water. Feh.
The KDS-14 uses nearly that much in the pre-wash. I cleaned the kitchen freezer last night and put all of the racks, bins and shelves into one load, along with a stray drinking glass. Started the machine and in 18 minutes, they were all clean and ready to put back into the freezer. The machine had time to spare as it took me longer to wipe out the interior and sort the contents before I was even ready for the racks. Resources? This machine does not heat the water so I used tap hot water, no dry cycle. We're on a municipal water system so the water that I used last night will be clean and flowing back out of the faucet in a relatively short time. Water used does not disappear from the planet forever, it gets recycled over and over again. I have a 50 gallon hot water heater so the water I used was already heated. Our utility pricing is pretty low compared to other parts of the country so I realize the costs can be crippling for those on a tight budget.
For my money, I'll keep the KitchenAid(s), Maytag and Kenmore Roto-Rack.
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My most objections is the time and the max temperature the high temp wash option uses. In the sears manual that I posted a few weeks back the hi temp goes up to 130 - so that is also probably why it takes longer because it actually washes in cooler water. I dont mind to much it uses less water and the wash arms only work one at a time. But for me at least make the water real hot to wash!
I like the way they say built with Pride. They made so many steps backwards.
They should take a look at what they used to make and make a real comparison in performance!
Peter
My most objections is the time and the max temperature the high temp wash option uses. In the sears manual that I posted a few weeks back the hi temp goes up to 130 - so that is also probably why it takes longer because it actually washes in cooler water. I dont mind to much it uses less water and the wash arms only work one at a time. But for me at least make the water real hot to wash!
I like the way they say built with Pride. They made so many steps backwards.
They should take a look at what they used to make and make a real comparison in performance!
Peter
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me in my case i much prefer to own a silent dishwasher than having one thats noisy here is a short video of my dishwasher in action.
Reading Between the Lines
Thanks, Mike, for posting that! Very interesting brochure.
Let's read between the lines of what Whirlpool is really saying:
Welcome to the new wonderful world of automatic dishwashing by Whirlpool our new machines are designed to kiss the U.S. Government's butt to get an Energy Star rating. Here's how we do it.
1. Our new toy motors take four hours to wash one load of dishes.
2. Our new motors are so anemic so we'll alternate water between the wash arms as there is so little water being moved.
3. If you don't scrape and rinse your dishes our new filtration system will need you to pull it out and scrub the mess out of the micropores with a toothbrush.
4. Our filters become stinky due to residual dirt, bacteria, calcium and decayed food products, we hope the dry cycle cuts the stink down a little.
5. Our new dishwashers are so quiet you won't mind that it takes all night to clean a load of dirty pans. Yes, when you get up in the morning, and eating breakfast, you will hardly notice your new Whirlpool struggling away trying to finish last night's load that our previous PowerClean Module machines would have done in 45 minutes.
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Sorry...couldn't resist, hehe.
Barry
Thanks, Mike, for posting that! Very interesting brochure.
Let's read between the lines of what Whirlpool is really saying:
Welcome to the new wonderful world of automatic dishwashing by Whirlpool our new machines are designed to kiss the U.S. Government's butt to get an Energy Star rating. Here's how we do it.
1. Our new toy motors take four hours to wash one load of dishes.
2. Our new motors are so anemic so we'll alternate water between the wash arms as there is so little water being moved.
3. If you don't scrape and rinse your dishes our new filtration system will need you to pull it out and scrub the mess out of the micropores with a toothbrush.
4. Our filters become stinky due to residual dirt, bacteria, calcium and decayed food products, we hope the dry cycle cuts the stink down a little.
5. Our new dishwashers are so quiet you won't mind that it takes all night to clean a load of dirty pans. Yes, when you get up in the morning, and eating breakfast, you will hardly notice your new Whirlpool struggling away trying to finish last night's load that our previous PowerClean Module machines would have done in 45 minutes.
____ ______ ______ ______
Sorry...couldn't resist, hehe.
Barry
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Barry that is so well said!
Thanks,
Peter
Barry that is so well said!
Thanks,
Peter
How is this a resource saver?Yes it might save some water and energy to heat the water but running a dishwasher that long everyday.Our 1984 Maytag lasted 13 years and it was still working when we got rid of it.A 7 hour wash overnight cycle and heavy wash of just shy of 5 hours this machine will last 3 to 4 years and be in the land fill.I bet it takes more thermodynamic energy to make another dishwasher than the extra water and heat that a Old Kitchenaid uses compared to this new one.This is NUTS I will not be buying one that is for sure.
