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me i have a kenmore disherwasher

me i have a knmore elite dishwasher that my mom and me bought in 2005 it is now 6 years old and it it still working fine and the best way to keep these dishwasher going is 1 not to use heat dry and not use the sanitize rinse and the only cycle i use on mine are smart wash option turbozone and high temp option i only use the sanitize rinse unless i really needed it and will always use the air dry as i will never use the heat dry option and i also know for a fact that when this dishwasher breaks in my case i will be buying the same model even if they made some changes and thats all i have to say.
 
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Wes I bet you wish you had that Maytag back. We all didnt realize how good we had it with those older models. I am interested if someone on the club will try one.
But it will not be me!
 
I"m gonna hold out as long as I can to not have a dishwasher with a filter.  If I have to get one like that some day, I might as well just go back to washing dishes totally by hand. As many know, I don't believe in prerinsing at all and I at best scrape the largest pieces off.  Sometimes there'd be a bit of debris even at the bottom of the GE.  With the Kenmore TT, I scrape just about as well, maybe a bit more.  But I've also beeen known to put a saucepan that had been used to cook rice in it, and some had gotten well cooked on the bottom of the pan, right in the dishwasher.  I can hear the grinder grinding up that rice and it goes through a filter purge 4 to 6 times during the cycle.  But, it came clean with Cascade Complete.

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Dishwashers with filters

Not really sure if there's a difference between U.S. models with filters and European models, but I really don't see how having a filter instead of a grinder is a major issue.

I haven't used a dishwasher with a grinder since I was last in the U.S. in 1999, but i have never pre-rinsed anything that has been put in my dishwasher, nor do I scrape. Large hard food remains like bones etc and large quantities of leftover food are removed before loading but thats about it. Dried on rice, sweetcorn, coffee grinds bits of pasta etc all just get washed into the filter during the cycle and are held there until the machine drains when they are washed off the filter and down the drain with the wash water.

I have been using dishwashers since my parent's got their first one 15 years ago and I have never found anything in the filters on the rare occasions I have checked them, apart from perhaps some broken glass or a few herbs around the rim.

The only thing I can possibly think is that the higher temps my dishwasher heats to compared to these new U.S. models (158f on wash and rinse on the intensive cycle with hygiene rinse selected compared to 130f on the equivalent cycle of the models discussed here) and perhaps different detergent composition cause food trapped in the filter of my dishwasher to dissolve or break up more than in these machines.

As for the wash times with the machines discussed here, they are pretty insane! My most frequently used cycle in our Bosch is Intensive with Hygiene Exxtra, this lasts about 2hrs 10 mins, rather a long time compared to older machines but certainly not long enough to cause a problem for us!

Matt
 
The problem with the Whirlpool is that it appears this new model does NOT self clean the filter. It's up to the user. I personally don't like the idea--I like the idea of the filter being as clean as possible by the final rinse. Plus, I can see many users never bothering to clean out the filter. Sort of like how many people never cleaned their washer's user-cleaned lint filter, resulting in a lint filter that needs a crowbar to pry it out.

 

The length of cycles on this Whirlpool seems insane. Especially for those who do big cooking sprees that last all day and keep generating mountains of dishes.
 
I don't follow current dishwasher news that closely. But it seems to me that Whirlpool had been the #1 recommendation by many for decent US made dishwashers. Now, with this new Whirlpool design, it seems likely that this recommendation will go down the drain. Is there anything on the market that is US company/US made that's decent? Or are dishwashers going to be something one must buy from an a foreign company--at  least if one wants something decent?
 
newer dw recommendations

John,

I don't know about the others, but my pick would still be the non-tall tub GE. (What few models GE still makes in this style.)

It's psc motor is not as powerful as the old GE tower wash motors, but not bad, compared to many of the newer machines. It still uses a hard food waste disposer
(I enlarged the openings on the sump grate a little, to let larger wastes into the disposer) and has the time tested tower wash system.

If you get the models with the "hot start" option, which heats the water up at the beginning of the cycle it does a superb job of washing and scrubbing, and does it in less than half the time of the modern style tall tub machines. It has 100% full time water filtration with a self-cleaning filter. All cycles have a least two full final rinses and some have three.

I haven't checked the Whirlpool site to see if they are still making non-tall tub (conventional 2 door style) dishwashers. IF they do, and they haven't replaced the motors with the children's toy psc motors, they would probably be a good bet, too.
 
I see

I didn't realise some U.S. models have non-self cleaning filters, I can imagine that would be a bit of a pain!

I'll stick with my Bosch, only had it 4 months but I couldn't be happier!

Matt
 
Thanks Barry for the input on GE! As I said earlier, I don't follow dishwashers THAT closely, but I like to know a bit about current market in case someone asks me for ideas about a new appliance.
 
Dishwasher noise

I'm not particularly bothered by dishwasher noise. It's a small price to pay for NOT having to wash dishes. Although I can understand those who want it dead quiet. If the kitchen is used as more than a kitchen--which is the case in many homes--noise might a real issue. For me, kitchens are basically mainly used for cooking and nothing else.

 

The noise argument is something heavily marketed at my nearest Home Depot. I don't know if it's store policy, or just the woman I see working there most times when I wander through. But in any case, if I wander through and look at something, she'll come and we'll talk. And her big argument for buying the model "over there" that's 2, 3 times the cost is how much quieter it is. My attitude is I really don't care about noise, and if I were to buy a 2, 3 times more expensive model it had better be 2, 3 times better as an appliance. Often, I fear, the only thing that goes up is the price and frill features.

 

I'm not alone in my views. The first time I had this noise talk at Home Depot I was tentatively shopping for my-then roommate, who's dishwasher was acting up, and might or might not be replaced. I heard the noise argument then. When I reported it later to my roommate, I heard something along the lines of: "I'll go with the noisy model, save money, and just turn up the volume on the TV!"
 
dw noise

I'm with you, John. I don't pay much attention to the noise. I am more concerned that the dw cleans dishes. I would much rather have a noisy piece of fine machinery that excells at its job than a quiet piece of junk.

The 61db on th GE is not particulary loud. Human conversation is rated as having an average decibel rating of 60 db.
 
The level of noise is not the only factor that counts. The frequency is also important. Comparing a human conversation to a dishwasher is comparing apples to pears.

Believe me, 61dBA for an appliance is very loud! I was in a cabin on Vancouver Island for a few days. I used a BOL Frigidaire dishwasher that was already very loud. BOL Frigidaires are rated 56dBA. The GE is almost four times as noisy!!
 
My Current tall tub WP (from 2005) when ran on Pots/Pans/Hightemp wash/ No heated dry runs for about 100 mins. That's the cycle I usually use. Sometimes normal/high temp/no dry (which is about 85 min's)

I wonder how well the "One Hour Wash" works and if it uses more water? I notice the time goes UP I'm sure if you choose high temp or sani rinse

That GE reminds me of a 90s dishwasher and those were all loud but never bothered me at all. I like the looks of it. GRR, but I've gotten used to the Tall Tub and having more room.
 
1-hour wash cycle

Mark, the only option that is supposed to be available for that cycle is heated dry.  It uses about the same amount of water as Pots/Pans so it might be a little bit more forceful than normal cycle with the variable speed motor.
 

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