Whirlpool-Maytag-KitchenAid dishwashers: 2020 Redesign

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I had a feeling this was coming. It's definitely quite different than the GlobalWash platform, but I also am not surprised to see that the CleanWater/MicroClean (spinning filter) wash system is now being adapted across the KitchenAid and Maytag lineup.

I'm keeping an open mind and would like to see more info and pictures on this platform. I am however a bit sad that this likely means the phase out of the current GlobalWash design, now that I've fallen in love over the years with that particular platform.

 
I’m anticipating needing a new dishwasher to replace my 2005 Maytag. I removed my kick plate to see if a closed back unit like Bosch would be doable, apparently not since the conduit comes up through the floor. Would the newer Kitchenaid work? It’s not clear to me whether or not it is possible. The term open back is what I believe is needed for my situation.

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So does this mean that Maytag will drop there current wash system? I hope they don't drop the hard food disposer ,part and go to a filter. Maytag dishwashers sell like crazy I saw 4 being sold today in 20 mins at HomO-Depot . I have been saving for a new Miele dishwasher for 8 months.My Smeg is going down the tubes fast and that is one expensive dishwasher to fix. I could get the TOL Maytag today and have money left but I do want a Miele ...
 
Wes, they are going to the self-cleaning filter (Clean Water Wash System like I have in my 2015 KitchenMore Elite.  In fact, my first hint of this coming to pass was the last version of their TOL (wasn't on the market very long, less than a year), mentioned in the manual was the Clean Water Wash system that's  a filter the continuously cleans itself and no mention of a 4-blade chopper.  This model was the only model that didn't have a tiered upper rack and the 3rd rack was mind of modular in how you could arrange it.  It's an MDB8989.  It was removed from their web site more than a month ago but can still be found at some of their retailers.  
 
Tiered Rack!

I hope Maytag doesn't do away with the tiered upper rack!  That is such a unique feature and comes in handy when washing large cookie sheets, etc. on the the lower rack. 
 
Tub does look lower.  Wonder if they went with an induction motor like LG to get that lower depth.  Tom, did you find any KitchenAid dishwashers?  I've been looking and haven't found anything.  
 
Well, that certainly a all-new design. The uppermost drawer is reminiscent of the MyWay rack.

Here's a screenshot of the disassembly, installation and reassembly video. Looks like a normal pump to me.

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Seems like they basicly eliminated any real sump here to save on water volume.

Water diverter as per usual. Drain pump mounted for better backwashing of the filter to the right there.
Only 2 wires to the main pump by the looks of it (should be the blueish onces going to the white pump housing at the bottom herr) which would make me think it's just single phase AC. Or some really weired DC setup without speed monitoring.
 
Wow. That image of the sump and wash arm. That is sexy. I didn't expect to see something that sleek. Whirlpool has plenty of haters, but they know how to craft beautiful appliances both inside and out and have perfected a balance of form vs. function. I'm keeping an open mind about the platform itself until I can see/feel it in person but I'm actually really excited to see more about these machines, and eager to see what the KitchenAid side is going to look like.

The more I've watched the video, and looked at these photos, the more intrigued and impressed I am. I'm not sure exactly what kind of black magic is happening to create that amount of space from top to bottom, but it looks like what they've essentially done is positioned the pump assembly adjacent to the sump, where previous designs have the entire assembly stacked on top or close together. It looks like the higher parts of the bottom of the tub are what would be the bottom in the current tall-tub designs, which is why they didn't have to reduce the motor size at all, they just positioned it under that high side while bringing the entire sump and wash arm assembly lower in the center. It's very pretty, and I'll bet when a camera is put inside it's going to look really cool seeing how the water flows around and into that new sump design. And I'm ABSOLUTELY glad to see those giant clown-shoe looking wash arms that have been in the Maytags as of late going bye-bye.

It also doesn't look like anything is changed as far as the actual motor/pump assembly. When they debuted that CleanWater/MicroClean wash module back around 2015, they sort of retrofit it onto the existing GlobalWash assembly, whereas now it's offset underneath, largely unchanged, but seems that it's going to be the flagship platform now.

I think it's a genius move. That pump assembly is the most innovative change to dishwashers in probably the last three decades. Until this design, the formula has either been a removable filter, or a disposal blade wash system with a soil accumulator. This is blending the best of those worlds: the quiet, energy-efficiency of a filter, with the maintenance-free ease of a self-cleaning disposal system. The idea is genius: a filter cylinder with laser etched holes that are microns in diameter, just like Dyson's filter shrouds on the Cinetic and V8/V10, but that filter is spinning with the impeller, while a deflector baffle continually lifts the soils away and prevents them from sticking, keeping the soil continually in suspense, to be sucked away when the drain pump kicks on. No other manufacturer to my knowledge has been able to implement anything like it, and if Whirlpool doesn't market the crap out of that kind of innovation to combat companies like LG and Samsung and their gimmicky products, it will be a terrible disappointment.

I really hope this is going to be Whirlpool's "step up your game" era. The changes to their design are all highly competitive selling points, the filtration, the taller tub, the huge third rack design, etc. Whirlpool needs to get people excited about their products like they used to years ago. The market is too stagnant now to afford otherwise.
 
I have not seen any new kitchen aids on there. Ive been looking too! I was looking at those pictures again.. looks like there is a bar with holes in it on the third rack- that actually looks cool!

I agree with the last post, I really hope the new design works well!
 
Damn ,I am impressed . It looks great ,I see they took inspiration from Miele dishwashers. The wash arms

remind me of a Miele. I am glad now I have not bought a new dishwasher I guess I will wait until these come out. I was reading the patents for this wash system and there are alot of them but, I found one that would make more sense If I was a Whirlpool engineer or marketing man.

This patent(US9301667B2)

combines the clean water rotating filter and it also has a grinder in it.  I am not sure which patent they are 

using because, there are so many and companies always tries to cover as many bases as they can.I love the look and design of the inside and I guess I will take a chance and buy one when it comes out,after I look at more closely.

It is nice that they are keeping Maytags more powerful motor than that 60 watt wash motor that Whirlpool has been using.I have always wondered why Whirlpools Euro division's always look better in every way compared  to what we get over here. Maybe things are changing.
 
One thing I am dumbfounded by is why they - from what I can tell - basicly completly stayed away from variable speed pumps.

That is slowly becoming standard across the board from the lower mid tear upwards - at least over here.

These mostly PWM driven DC motors are cheap, reliable and take away with the annoying 50/60Hz hum that even the quietest DW with mains driven motors have.
 
New WP DW Designs

Hi Andrew [ reply #12 ] yes indeed this looks exciting, WP is already the worlds leading DW builder and this looks like an efficient simple design that eliminates the messy-stinky filters that WP and GE have been using because they thought copying cheap Bosch and Miele designs was a smart way to build DWs.

 

There is no need for complicated variable speed motors and excess sensors, A DW needs to wash dishes and get rid of all food soil and DRY the dishes which requires a DRY heater not gimmicks that do a so-so attempt at drying.

 

I will keep an eye on these DWs as we start selling them, I might even install one and test it against my 1987 WP PC DW.

 

John L.
 

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