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Will all wash arms operate simultaneously, or will they alternate like the rest of the whirlpool family?
Will all wash arms operate simultaneously, or will they alternate like the rest of the whirlpool family?
Whirlpool-Maytag-KitchenAid dishwashers: 2020 Redesign
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lakewebsterkid
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New Machines
I am a little disappointed.
It looks like using the normal cycle it will only perform 1 deep rinse after a purge, except heavy soil sensed cycles. That is how the PointVoyager machines were and I never liked it. Water consumption according to the document is 1.7 gal/fill, which is significantly higher than I expected. However, the document also states a typical normal cycle runs 3.4 gallons for the Maytag and 3.0 for the KitchenAid, so there could be an error. Hopefully the Auto/ProWash cycles will default to 2 rinses.
I do, however, like the stepped temperatures for the soil levels sensed. That is a really good idea for people that just hit the Normal Cycle and Start (90% of the population). I really hope that these machines do in fact alternate wash arms, but there is nothing on the tech sheet about it, or a mechanism that changes arms.
I am a little disappointed.
It looks like using the normal cycle it will only perform 1 deep rinse after a purge, except heavy soil sensed cycles. That is how the PointVoyager machines were and I never liked it. Water consumption according to the document is 1.7 gal/fill, which is significantly higher than I expected. However, the document also states a typical normal cycle runs 3.4 gallons for the Maytag and 3.0 for the KitchenAid, so there could be an error. Hopefully the Auto/ProWash cycles will default to 2 rinses.
I do, however, like the stepped temperatures for the soil levels sensed. That is a really good idea for people that just hit the Normal Cycle and Start (90% of the population). I really hope that these machines do in fact alternate wash arms, but there is nothing on the tech sheet about it, or a mechanism that changes arms.
new machine
I've been interested in the arm action. It will be interesting to see and hear the machine during the cycle, including the wash action. It will be interesting if Maytag joins in with the alternating wash arm action club like pretty much everybody else I.E. GE, Frigidaire, and the rest of the whirlpool family does.
I've been interested in the arm action. It will be interesting to see and hear the machine during the cycle, including the wash action. It will be interesting if Maytag joins in with the alternating wash arm action club like pretty much everybody else I.E. GE, Frigidaire, and the rest of the whirlpool family does.
lakewebsterkid
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water use
Sorry, I stand corrected.
The Maytag's Normal Cycle consumption is 3.0 gal/cycle, whereas the KitchenAid is stating 2.4 gal/cycle for light load conditions. This certainly does not add up to the 1.7 gallons per fill.
Sorry, I stand corrected.
The Maytag's Normal Cycle consumption is 3.0 gal/cycle, whereas the KitchenAid is stating 2.4 gal/cycle for light load conditions. This certainly does not add up to the 1.7 gallons per fill.
whirlpool line
Is whirlpool going to transfer to this new design, or are they going to stick with the global wash system? Also, as a side note, I assume Maytag will run all their spray arms at once.
Is whirlpool going to transfer to this new design, or are they going to stick with the global wash system? Also, as a side note, I assume Maytag will run all their spray arms at once.
lakewebsterkid
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That would be far more appropriate. I would have been shocked if they created a new design that used that much water per fill and had the new filtration system.
Cool
Can't wait to see how this performs. But am shocked you need to purchase a power cord after you purchase the machine. And that drip pan looks like trouble to me.
Can't wait to see how this performs. But am shocked you need to purchase a power cord after you purchase the machine. And that drip pan looks like trouble to me.
a call to maytag
I made a call to maytag about their wash system. The lady couldn't tell me if the system alternated the wash arms. I assume they run simultaneously. I can't wait to see how it performs!
I made a call to maytag about their wash system. The lady couldn't tell me if the system alternated the wash arms. I assume they run simultaneously. I can't wait to see how it performs!
eurekastar
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Power Cord
I suspect the reason a power cord isn't included is because many will be wired into a junction box.
I suspect the reason a power cord isn't included is because many will be wired into a junction box.
Power Cords On Built-In US DWs
Basically no US BI DWs ever came with a power cord unless it was specified and then you paid a little more for the DW.
It is basically safer and more reliable to have appliances and other high power use machinery wired directly to the power supply.
Now that DWs are being equipped with cords more often we are seeing failures of the plug and outlets from overheating, sometimes a plug for a DW comes partly out of the outlet and is not seen because it is under the sink and hidden by lots of stuff under the sink. A partly unplugged plug can over heat and start burning and with lots of crap around it, it can start stuff on fire, I would rather have the power connection under the DW in a metal box incase the connection fails.
John L.
Basically no US BI DWs ever came with a power cord unless it was specified and then you paid a little more for the DW.
It is basically safer and more reliable to have appliances and other high power use machinery wired directly to the power supply.
Now that DWs are being equipped with cords more often we are seeing failures of the plug and outlets from overheating, sometimes a plug for a DW comes partly out of the outlet and is not seen because it is under the sink and hidden by lots of stuff under the sink. A partly unplugged plug can over heat and start burning and with lots of crap around it, it can start stuff on fire, I would rather have the power connection under the DW in a metal box incase the connection fails.
John L.
Lakewebsterkid
How did you unziup the tech manual? I downloaded it, but couldn't get it to unzip.
How did you unziup the tech manual? I downloaded it, but couldn't get it to unzip.
Bob, you're referring to the link in Reply #33? That's a user guide, not a tech manual ... in .pdf format so no unzipping required. If the file doesn't save as a .pdf for you, rename the file accordingly.
lakewebsterkid
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Tech Sheet
I have a Mac, but I downloaded the file, and clicked the folder it created in the download folder. This opened up the folder and I just double clicked the pdf that was in it. Im gonna see if I can upload it here for easier viewing.
I have a Mac, but I downloaded the file, and clicked the folder it created in the download folder. This opened up the folder and I just double clicked the pdf that was in it. Im gonna see if I can upload it here for easier viewing.
I PMed with DadoEs. He told me he looked at the file I'd been trying to download and he thinks it's corrupted. He got the same results I did.
Well, here's the tech sheet for the Maytag.
https://www.whirlpooldigitalassets....ocuments/201910/tech-sheet-w11366142-reva.pdf
Click Renditions and Original File to get the PDF and not that wonky zip file.
https://www.whirlpooldigitalassets....ocuments/201910/tech-sheet-w11366142-reva.pdf
Click Renditions and Original File to get the PDF and not that wonky zip file.
Didn't find a tech sheet for the KitchenAid but the link I posted in #56 has some new pictures of the spray arms and tubes in action.
tomdawg
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Looked at the kitchen aid and Maytag line today!
I was rather impressed. Over all
Middle rack seems lighter and flimsier like Bosch.
The lower rack wheels have been redesigned, I first thought they were on ball bearings for how smooth they were.
No turbo zone, but I wonder if they will have them out in higher up models. The back of the lower rack still angles for turbo zone area.
Spray arms are sleek and sturdy
I was most worried how they were going to fit 11” plates in the lower rack and have room for the middle and upper rack
With the middle rack in lower position, there is 11” clearance
Just over 12” in upper position- the last models were 10 1/4” and 12”
Kitchen aid had two bars in the upper rack for cups. They both rotate- where the Maytag has one standard one and one moving bar.
The upper rack placement look completely different- I don’t think you can load the bowls in the middle anymore.
I didn’t measure the upper rack, but on the right side, could definitely hold larger cups.
The real test, is how well this dishwasher will clean!
I was rather impressed. Over all
Middle rack seems lighter and flimsier like Bosch.
The lower rack wheels have been redesigned, I first thought they were on ball bearings for how smooth they were.
No turbo zone, but I wonder if they will have them out in higher up models. The back of the lower rack still angles for turbo zone area.
Spray arms are sleek and sturdy
I was most worried how they were going to fit 11” plates in the lower rack and have room for the middle and upper rack
With the middle rack in lower position, there is 11” clearance
Just over 12” in upper position- the last models were 10 1/4” and 12”
Kitchen aid had two bars in the upper rack for cups. They both rotate- where the Maytag has one standard one and one moving bar.
The upper rack placement look completely different- I don’t think you can load the bowls in the middle anymore.
I didn’t measure the upper rack, but on the right side, could definitely hold larger cups.
The real test, is how well this dishwasher will clean!
lakewebsterkid
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Tomdawg
Thanks for that update! I'm dying to see one of these in action!
Thanks for that update! I'm dying to see one of these in action!
stunning question
You took the stunning question out of my mouth. I'm also dying to see how the spray arms will operate, whether simultaneously or independently. Also, I wonder how it will handle blueberry pancake stuck-onto the plates and coffee stained mugs. I hope they will release the front control models later this year or in the future.
You took the stunning question out of my mouth. I'm also dying to see how the spray arms will operate, whether simultaneously or independently. Also, I wonder how it will handle blueberry pancake stuck-onto the plates and coffee stained mugs. I hope they will release the front control models later this year or in the future.
The KitchenAid has a 2-position diverter disc in the sump assembly. The tech sheet for the Maytag also mentions a diverter valve.
spray arm operation
Does this mean that both dishwasher brands will alternate the operation of the spray arms, or just the Kitchenaid alternating and the Maytag running all arms simultaneously?
Does this mean that both dishwasher brands will alternate the operation of the spray arms, or just the Kitchenaid alternating and the Maytag running all arms simultaneously?
whitetub
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I saw the Maytag version, yesterday at my local Rona big box store ( owned by Lowe's). The third rack seems so shallow. And it takes away extra height from the top rack ( in this case, the middle rack)
Seems gimmicky to me. I will stick to my Maytag dishwasher that I got last year, with the tiered upper rack. I don't need the third rack, it takes me long enough to fill up the regular two rack dishwasher.
Seems gimmicky to me. I will stick to my Maytag dishwasher that I got last year, with the tiered upper rack. I don't need the third rack, it takes me long enough to fill up the regular two rack dishwasher.
tomdawg
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new videos
this video was helpful- saw some sweet wash action!
https://www.whirlpooldigitalassets....ashers-product-walkthrough-604-804-models.mp4
this video was helpful- saw some sweet wash action!
https://www.whirlpooldigitalassets....ashers-product-walkthrough-604-804-models.mp4
noise test
It would be interesting to hear this new machine running for a sound test to hear the different noises these new wash systems make. I remember the days when each washer, dryer and dishwasher had their own unique noises.
It would be interesting to hear this new machine running for a sound test to hear the different noises these new wash systems make. I remember the days when each washer, dryer and dishwasher had their own unique noises.
abcomatic
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HI, I just bought a new Whirlpool version of the Kitchen aid, Maytag.
I love it. The 3rd rack at the top is really a great idea and we are using that a great deal for things like: whisks, serving spoons, rubber spatulas, etc. It has a 1 hour cycle and we use that. I use Bubble Bandit detergent and clean dishes are what we get. There are 4 cycles and heat/water heater cycles that you can program the way that you want. 3 level wash arms are in this model too.
It is very quiet. The 'fridge makes more noise when it turns on than the dishwasher does, and our whirpool 'fridge is quiet too. oh, You can also customize the cycles that you want and push the button and it remembers what you select. I like the stainless steel tub. I have never had one before; I have always had a plastic tub, but the stainless steel one is fine. I paid $743.00 for it on sale. I get my appliances from a local mom and pop store that has been in business since the '50s. He took the old one out, installed the new one, showed us how to use the new one and even came back for no charge to put a new shutoff valve in the basement for the new dishwasher. I like this a great deal. Gary
I love it. The 3rd rack at the top is really a great idea and we are using that a great deal for things like: whisks, serving spoons, rubber spatulas, etc. It has a 1 hour cycle and we use that. I use Bubble Bandit detergent and clean dishes are what we get. There are 4 cycles and heat/water heater cycles that you can program the way that you want. 3 level wash arms are in this model too.
It is very quiet. The 'fridge makes more noise when it turns on than the dishwasher does, and our whirpool 'fridge is quiet too. oh, You can also customize the cycles that you want and push the button and it remembers what you select. I like the stainless steel tub. I have never had one before; I have always had a plastic tub, but the stainless steel one is fine. I paid $743.00 for it on sale. I get my appliances from a local mom and pop store that has been in business since the '50s. He took the old one out, installed the new one, showed us how to use the new one and even came back for no charge to put a new shutoff valve in the basement for the new dishwasher. I like this a great deal. Gary
Gary, congratulations!!! What's the model number?
Love the Mom and Pop and local franchises
<span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: georgia, palatino;">He took the old one out, installed the new one, showed us how to use the new one and even came back for no charge to put a new shutoff valve in the basement for the new dishwasher.</span></span>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">We have a locally owned ACE hardware up the street. The more I use them the more I realize what you don't get at the big box stores. </span>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">We needed a new leaf blower. The old one (only 1 1/2 years old) wouldn't start again this year so we decided to dump it because it's already been repaired twice.</span>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">Anyway, given the virus I didn't want to go the store and hubby didn't really care what it is he just wants one that works. So I got online to figure out which one I wanted. Rang them up on the phone and bought it over the phone. I told them Joe would pick it up later in the day.</span>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">When he got there it was unpacked, put together, gassed up and ready to go. He asked if it was a demo or something and the guy said no, we do this as part of our normal service. They asked him to come in the back so they could show him the features etc. When he got home with it I got on line to register it for the warranty. I couldn't easily find it so I called them and asked where to go to register it and he said, "Don't worry about that we took care of it for you." </span>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">Plus they do any repairs on site. The one that crapped out we got at Lowe's or Homo Depot I can't remember. But when it needed service twice we had to go all the way across town to a place with limited hours. What a PIA. This ACE is less than a mile from my house.</span>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">You'll never get those extras in the Big Box store.</span>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: georgia, palatino;">He took the old one out, installed the new one, showed us how to use the new one and even came back for no charge to put a new shutoff valve in the basement for the new dishwasher.</span></span>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">We have a locally owned ACE hardware up the street. The more I use them the more I realize what you don't get at the big box stores. </span>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">We needed a new leaf blower. The old one (only 1 1/2 years old) wouldn't start again this year so we decided to dump it because it's already been repaired twice.</span>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">Anyway, given the virus I didn't want to go the store and hubby didn't really care what it is he just wants one that works. So I got online to figure out which one I wanted. Rang them up on the phone and bought it over the phone. I told them Joe would pick it up later in the day.</span>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">When he got there it was unpacked, put together, gassed up and ready to go. He asked if it was a demo or something and the guy said no, we do this as part of our normal service. They asked him to come in the back so they could show him the features etc. When he got home with it I got on line to register it for the warranty. I couldn't easily find it so I called them and asked where to go to register it and he said, "Don't worry about that we took care of it for you." </span>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">Plus they do any repairs on site. The one that crapped out we got at Lowe's or Homo Depot I can't remember. But when it needed service twice we had to go all the way across town to a place with limited hours. What a PIA. This ACE is less than a mile from my house.</span>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">You'll never get those extras in the Big Box store.</span>
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lakewebsterkid
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New Machine
Nothing better than playing with a new machine! Glad that Bubble Bandit and the 1-hour wash cycle is working for you. Please post a model number and images! Enjoy!
Nothing better than playing with a new machine! Glad that Bubble Bandit and the 1-hour wash cycle is working for you. Please post a model number and images! Enjoy!
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