https://www.whirlpooldigitalassets.com/
is where I found these cycle charts. No loading instructions anywhere, unfortunately.
is where I found these cycle charts. No loading instructions anywhere, unfortunately.
Whirlpool-Maytag-KitchenAid dishwashers: 2020 Redesign
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spray arm action
Will all wash arms operate simultaneously, or will they alternate like the rest of the whirlpool family?
Will all wash arms operate simultaneously, or will they alternate like the rest of the whirlpool family?
New Machines
I am a little disappointed.
It looks like using the normal cycle it will only perform 1 deep rinse after a purge, except heavy soil sensed cycles. That is how the PointVoyager machines were and I never liked it. Water consumption according to the document is 1.7 gal/fill, which is significantly higher than I expected. However, the document also states a typical normal cycle runs 3.4 gallons for the Maytag and 3.0 for the KitchenAid, so there could be an error. Hopefully the Auto/ProWash cycles will default to 2 rinses.
I do, however, like the stepped temperatures for the soil levels sensed. That is a really good idea for people that just hit the Normal Cycle and Start (90% of the population). I really hope that these machines do in fact alternate wash arms, but there is nothing on the tech sheet about it, or a mechanism that changes arms.
I am a little disappointed.
It looks like using the normal cycle it will only perform 1 deep rinse after a purge, except heavy soil sensed cycles. That is how the PointVoyager machines were and I never liked it. Water consumption according to the document is 1.7 gal/fill, which is significantly higher than I expected. However, the document also states a typical normal cycle runs 3.4 gallons for the Maytag and 3.0 for the KitchenAid, so there could be an error. Hopefully the Auto/ProWash cycles will default to 2 rinses.
I do, however, like the stepped temperatures for the soil levels sensed. That is a really good idea for people that just hit the Normal Cycle and Start (90% of the population). I really hope that these machines do in fact alternate wash arms, but there is nothing on the tech sheet about it, or a mechanism that changes arms.
new machine
I've been interested in the arm action. It will be interesting to see and hear the machine during the cycle, including the wash action. It will be interesting if Maytag joins in with the alternating wash arm action club like pretty much everybody else I.E. GE, Frigidaire, and the rest of the whirlpool family does.
I've been interested in the arm action. It will be interesting to see and hear the machine during the cycle, including the wash action. It will be interesting if Maytag joins in with the alternating wash arm action club like pretty much everybody else I.E. GE, Frigidaire, and the rest of the whirlpool family does.
water use
Sorry, I stand corrected.
The Maytag's Normal Cycle consumption is 3.0 gal/cycle, whereas the KitchenAid is stating 2.4 gal/cycle for light load conditions. This certainly does not add up to the 1.7 gallons per fill.
Sorry, I stand corrected.
The Maytag's Normal Cycle consumption is 3.0 gal/cycle, whereas the KitchenAid is stating 2.4 gal/cycle for light load conditions. This certainly does not add up to the 1.7 gallons per fill.
whirlpool line
Is whirlpool going to transfer to this new design, or are they going to stick with the global wash system? Also, as a side note, I assume Maytag will run all their spray arms at once.
Is whirlpool going to transfer to this new design, or are they going to stick with the global wash system? Also, as a side note, I assume Maytag will run all their spray arms at once.
That would be far more appropriate. I would have been shocked if they created a new design that used that much water per fill and had the new filtration system.
Cool
Can't wait to see how this performs. But am shocked you need to purchase a power cord after you purchase the machine. And that drip pan looks like trouble to me.
Can't wait to see how this performs. But am shocked you need to purchase a power cord after you purchase the machine. And that drip pan looks like trouble to me.
a call to maytag
I made a call to maytag about their wash system. The lady couldn't tell me if the system alternated the wash arms. I assume they run simultaneously. I can't wait to see how it performs!
I made a call to maytag about their wash system. The lady couldn't tell me if the system alternated the wash arms. I assume they run simultaneously. I can't wait to see how it performs!
eurekastar
Well-known member
Power Cord
I suspect the reason a power cord isn't included is because many will be wired into a junction box.
I suspect the reason a power cord isn't included is because many will be wired into a junction box.
Power Cords On Built-In US DWs
Basically no US BI DWs ever came with a power cord unless it was specified and then you paid a little more for the DW.
It is basically safer and more reliable to have appliances and other high power use machinery wired directly to the power supply.
Now that DWs are being equipped with cords more often we are seeing failures of the plug and outlets from overheating, sometimes a plug for a DW comes partly out of the outlet and is not seen because it is under the sink and hidden by lots of stuff under the sink. A partly unplugged plug can over heat and start burning and with lots of crap around it, it can start stuff on fire, I would rather have the power connection under the DW in a metal box incase the connection fails.
John L.
Basically no US BI DWs ever came with a power cord unless it was specified and then you paid a little more for the DW.
It is basically safer and more reliable to have appliances and other high power use machinery wired directly to the power supply.
Now that DWs are being equipped with cords more often we are seeing failures of the plug and outlets from overheating, sometimes a plug for a DW comes partly out of the outlet and is not seen because it is under the sink and hidden by lots of stuff under the sink. A partly unplugged plug can over heat and start burning and with lots of crap around it, it can start stuff on fire, I would rather have the power connection under the DW in a metal box incase the connection fails.
John L.
Lakewebsterkid
How did you unziup the tech manual? I downloaded it, but couldn't get it to unzip.
How did you unziup the tech manual? I downloaded it, but couldn't get it to unzip.
Bob, you're referring to the link in Reply #33? That's a user guide, not a tech manual ... in .pdf format so no unzipping required. If the file doesn't save as a .pdf for you, rename the file accordingly.
Tech Sheet
I have a Mac, but I downloaded the file, and clicked the folder it created in the download folder. This opened up the folder and I just double clicked the pdf that was in it. Im gonna see if I can upload it here for easier viewing.
I have a Mac, but I downloaded the file, and clicked the folder it created in the download folder. This opened up the folder and I just double clicked the pdf that was in it. Im gonna see if I can upload it here for easier viewing.
I PMed with DadoEs. He told me he looked at the file I'd been trying to download and he thinks it's corrupted. He got the same results I did.
Well, here's the tech sheet for the Maytag.
https://www.whirlpooldigitalassets....ocuments/201910/tech-sheet-w11366142-reva.pdf
Click Renditions and Original File to get the PDF and not that wonky zip file.
https://www.whirlpooldigitalassets....ocuments/201910/tech-sheet-w11366142-reva.pdf
Click Renditions and Original File to get the PDF and not that wonky zip file.
Didn't find a tech sheet for the KitchenAid but the link I posted in #56 has some new pictures of the spray arms and tubes in action.
tomdawg
Well-known member
Looked at the kitchen aid and Maytag line today!
I was rather impressed. Over all
Middle rack seems lighter and flimsier like Bosch.
The lower rack wheels have been redesigned, I first thought they were on ball bearings for how smooth they were.
No turbo zone, but I wonder if they will have them out in higher up models. The back of the lower rack still angles for turbo zone area.
Spray arms are sleek and sturdy
I was most worried how they were going to fit 11” plates in the lower rack and have room for the middle and upper rack
With the middle rack in lower position, there is 11” clearance
Just over 12” in upper position- the last models were 10 1/4” and 12”
Kitchen aid had two bars in the upper rack for cups. They both rotate- where the Maytag has one standard one and one moving bar.
The upper rack placement look completely different- I don’t think you can load the bowls in the middle anymore.
I didn’t measure the upper rack, but on the right side, could definitely hold larger cups.
The real test, is how well this dishwasher will clean!
I was rather impressed. Over all
Middle rack seems lighter and flimsier like Bosch.
The lower rack wheels have been redesigned, I first thought they were on ball bearings for how smooth they were.
No turbo zone, but I wonder if they will have them out in higher up models. The back of the lower rack still angles for turbo zone area.
Spray arms are sleek and sturdy
I was most worried how they were going to fit 11” plates in the lower rack and have room for the middle and upper rack
With the middle rack in lower position, there is 11” clearance
Just over 12” in upper position- the last models were 10 1/4” and 12”
Kitchen aid had two bars in the upper rack for cups. They both rotate- where the Maytag has one standard one and one moving bar.
The upper rack placement look completely different- I don’t think you can load the bowls in the middle anymore.
I didn’t measure the upper rack, but on the right side, could definitely hold larger cups.
The real test, is how well this dishwasher will clean!
Tomdawg
Thanks for that update! I'm dying to see one of these in action!
Thanks for that update! I'm dying to see one of these in action!
