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I have a couple of questions about the Clean Water Wash system being used on these new dishwashers.  Is it the same system that has been around for several years and used on the Global Wash System?  As for how it works, my understanding is that large chunks are retained in the removable "foreign object cup" and may need to be removed manually if they don't eventually find their way through that course screen.  Anything that does get through is held in suspension and "thrown off" the internal filter which rotates.  Then comes the drain cycle, at which point all the solids are then pumped down the drain -- but is there a chopper or do they just get pumped out "as is" with the idea being that anything small enough to pass through the foreign object cup will be small enough to go down the drain?

 

Does anyone know how well these new machines perform compared to previous models?  I am particularly concerned about the "PowerBlast" cycle on the Maytag.  As far as I can see, this cycle used to take 3:30 to 3:45 and consumed 34 litres of water.  Now it apparently "only" takes 2:38 and water consumption is now 15 litres.  The options of "High Temp" "Sani" previously increased time and water beyond what they do now.  The heated dry options apparently used to add more time.  So either the technology just got a whole lot better, or...?  I would be very interested in buying one of the new KitchenAid models, but I do wonder if it would work as well as the outgoing Maytag model.  All feedback and thoughts appreciated 
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Happy dishwashing!

Mark
 
I can't speak to performance of them yet, but Bob and a few others who own one could attest to that. Yes, it is essentially the same wash system, just slightly updated. The first gen CleanWater pump assembly was retrofit to the GlobalWash tub/sump cutout, where now the new platform is a lower floor tub with the pump assembly offset to the right. But the procedure of the design is still largely the same.

You are correct, large chunks of food, such as large noodles or lettuce leaves, are caught in the course grate over the inlet. After that, the water pulls through a spinning laser-etched micro filter, and because of the winged baffles that surround it, tiny food particles up to larger chunks are continually sucked against and then lifted off that filter, which causes a spinning effect where the particles are suspended around the pump inlet. This allows 100% of the water to be filtered through the fine micro filter, as opposed to a more passive approach that the GlobalWash used, which allowed particles small enough to fit through the crescent shaped coarse upper filter to recirculate, but a large portion of the water passed into the fine cup for particles to be trapped until drain. That method was assisted by jets on the lower arm to help sweep particles towards the cup, but bits could still pass through that crescent shaped filter to the pump until they eventually got caught. The CleanWater design eliminates that entirely because the spinning filter cylinder has the same type of laser cut holes as Dyson's filter shrouds for their newer Cinetic and V8/V10/V11 vacuums.

Now, there's a slight variance in models so to answer your question about the chopper blade; yes and no. On both Maytag and KitchenAid models, the pump assemblies and method of operation is identical. However on the Maytag versions, there is a bladed attachment on the drain pump impeller. On both brand machines, the drain pump is mounted right on the side of that pump chamber where the particles are held in spinning suspension, so everything is pulled right out and sent down the drain, but for marketing purposes, the Maytag side claims that the drain impeller blades will help pulverize foods smaller for draining purposes. In my opinion, this is a bit of a gimmick, because the GlobalWash has been perfectly capable of draining out bits of rice or hamburger meat or noodles or corn without needing a blade or causing any clogging.
 
wash action and whirlpool version

It would be interesting to see if the wash arms running simultaneously will impede cleaning of glasses in the corners. Also, I am sure whirlpool will release their own version soon. There's no telling when, though.
 
Don't know if it's similar to MT but it reverses wash arm. It really works to purge old water from the sump and particles that could collect in the wash arm holes.

I haven't seriously looked at new dws for 20 years.

 
The first two links above, I'm getting an error message when clicking. Some of the other ones also don't lead to any information.

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3.8 MILLION views. I hope he's monetized. That's awesome.

He's getting all those views because it's ASMR from beginning to end.
The aid of that plastic bag he put over the light or camera really makes it work.

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The old design used an internal gear system that would shift a slider to alternate nozzles and thus reverse from what I understand.
But did these reverse? I thought they just switched nozzles...

I think GE did a similar thing, but instead used 2 seperate water diverter positions and a pipe-in-pipe setup.
But I might be mistaken there aswell.

But I think the most current design does not reverse wash arms.

The new wash arms are much slimmer in both dimensions to reduce water needed for filling them.
They are also made out of thin sheet metal from what appears on the pictures.

There wouldn't be enough space for the gearing mechanism.
 
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