Whirlpool with big square light up thingies

[bobofhollywood]

weak extraction

Beautiful machines but nicer too look at than to use. The dryer wheezes lint out around the filter and the washer spins too slowly. Turns out that a washer only cleans as well as it extracts and whirlpool washers do not extract well. Opinions vary of course but I hope to never have to use such a slow spinning machine again. Voice of experience speaking.

 

[combo52]

1964 WP MARK 12 WASHER&DRYER

This was the first WP washer to have a 3 speed motor. It is anything but harsh when used with a lick of sense. This is also the first WP to have the very effective Magic Clean lint filter. And it has the best wash & wear cycle ever on a top loading washer, it also has a cold wash button that can be pushed after the wash fill is completed to give a cold rinse on the normal cycle. Maytag never had such advanced washers & dryers this is why WP & KM dominated the laundry industry from WW2 on in this country and now WP is the largest laundry producer in the world. Even through out the 1960s and 1970s more consumers replaced thier WP or KM with another than owners of MT washers did.I was often amazed when someone had 20 or more good years of service out of thier MT washer how often they wouldn't buy another one.

 

[jetaction]

W&W

What did the wash and wear cycle do that made it superior?

 

[combo52]

WASH&WARE CYCLE

It cooled the wash load by draining roughly one half of the warm or hot wash water and then refilling with cold water and then repeating the process again. It did this while the clothes were floating in water and with out spinning the load at all. It then drained and went into a low speed [ aprox 330 RPMs ] spin then a cold rinse and a 4 minute low final spin. It really worked well when I used to use the 1959 LKMs wash & ware cycle and dried the clothes in our 1963 KM 70 dryer and hung up the shirts. I once remember my aunt Margaret seeing the laundry hanging in the basement laundry and wondering who did all the ironing. We were a family of 7 and there were a lot of mens shirts.

 

[mickeyd]

As I remember they were priced as though made of unobtainium

Hey Jon, isn't unobtainium the same stuff Gort was made of in "The Day the Earth Stood Still" ~ "Gort......klatu, verada, nickto." (first version) ;->

 

[mickeyd]

ah, the famous, fabulous double cooldown

Does anyone know when and for how long WP/KM added slow speed agitation during the refills of the double cooldown rinse.

My 77 WP has the cycle John describes--it occupies a huge space on the dial!-- but I once enjoyed the agitated version of the double cooldown on an early 70's Lady Kenmore for 2 years, living at the Fleckenschteen. To this day, it remains one of my most beloved washer moves. *

Who's got the goods on this: when did it start, what models have it, and how long did it last. Thanks.

*powerful spray rinsing and high speed suds-returns being the other two

 

[mickeyd]

TO BE CLEAR

After the partial drain and a pause, the refill would begin and the agitator would commence simultaneously. It was very Frigidairesque. And I x-rating loved it.

 

[retropia]

Wash 'n Wear

I would also like to know what model years Kenmore and/or Whirlpool offered this cycle. Is it different from the Permanent Press cycle on our current Kenmore? Or are they different names for the same thing?

 

[DADoES]

 
As I recall, the original W-n-W cycle didn't agitate during the cool down.  It half-drained and refilled with cold water two or three times (or as many times as it could during the allotted two? four? timer increments).

Later when there were four timer increments for sure, the typical Whirlpool process was
1 - half-drain (to pressure switch reset), pause for remainder of the increment
2 - refill & agitate two mins
3 - repeat Step 1
4 - repeat Step 2

Kenmore had a version thusly:
1 - half-drain, then (instead of a pause) immediately begin refilling with low-speed agitate running at the same time for remainder of the increment
2 - stop agitating but continue filling (assuming the target water level hadn't been reached), then agitate two mins when the water level is satisfied
3 - repeat Step 1
4 - repeat Step 2

Whirlpool's separate Knit cycle also had a cool down period, one half-drain & refill/agitate.

The Perm Press cycle was later reduced to one drain & refill/agitate instead of doing it twice.  This is what direct-drive models have done as well.  The latest direct-drive models may not have a separate cool down rinse for water saving considerations.

 

[washernoob]

Christian

that is the Suzan B. Komen Brest cancer limited edition model of the Dyson Dc07. Its a neat vacuum and a different color. But not older then say around 10 years.

 

[mickeyd]

Thank you Glenn!

Do you know the span of years KM offered this spectacular procedure? And was it only on the Lady Kenmores? Again, I'm referring only to the fill while agitating sequence.

 

[yogitunes]

My 66 Whirlpool with W-N-W cooled down 6 times, yes 6, it would fill and drain continuously, no agitation, then on to a slow spin and rinse, and final spin, after that I used Normal from then on......too much water

My 84 Supreme PermPress was better, at least the agitations were all high speed, all the way thru, no step-down, the spins were slow......

The Kenmore Limited 3 speed gave me the option for all high spins of the cycle....

I just never seen any improvement of using the PP cycle, of all the cycles there are, I always just seem to use Normal, and toss in the dryer for a few minutes to release any wrinkles

of any given machine, the 2 options I always looked for was a longer wash and final spin time

 

[sensi-temp]

"odd" sink

I have the same sink in white I bought new in 1995, there is no drawer a the bottom, it's a door that tips out & there is a half shelf underneath, I cut a shelf to fit around my plumbing so I have more storage. Has built in connections at the back for suds saver washer which I don't have, before my Frig 1-18 spins & before the spay rince, I put in the plastic standpipe in the drain to catich the wash water, after all the water is pumped out, I put the drain hose in the standpipe to get rid of the rince water. When the cycle is done, I put the water back in with a bucket & wash colored clothes. If necesssary, I save that water to wash rags or rugs. By the way, the 1-18 dos a wonderful job & fairly good size throw rugs, you wouldn't think so but good turn over.

 

[jetaction]

W&W

Hey John, that is the same W&W cycle as my 59 800 Kenmore. I misunderstood your original post to mean that this did something no other cycle did. No I want to hook that baby up and wash some dress shirts! It is interesting how whirlpool/kenmore adapted the W&W cycle. Also, when and why did they move from W&W to P-Press?

 

[mickeyd]

Sensi

Have you tried to get the 1-18 to siphon the water back in?

Throw a bucket of water in the machine, set it to spin for a few seconds, then stop it, and a suction should start as long as the hose is submerged. Works on some machines, don't know about the 1-18. Worth a try. Let me/us know.

 

[toploadloyalist]

W&W

When Kenmores stopped agitating and continued filling, it was because the timer moved to the next notch. When full it resumes low agitation, then repeats the process. When Kenmore introduced the black-paneled washers c.1976, they changed the cool-down procedure with a high-speed drain for about 45 seconds, then pause. When timer moved to the next notch cold-water filling started, then agitated on high-speed instead of low when full, and still used low-speed spin.

 

[combo52]

WnW CYCLE NAME CHANGE

Don Sears made a big deal about about all the PERMA_PRESS clothing the were selling and it just became appropriate to name the washer cycle to match would be my best guess.It happened some time in the mid to late 1960s I sure some one here knows exactly when .