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Hmmmmm

What does one get when they buy Maytag? The name obviously, but didn't someone tell me that Maytags are now made by Samsung, at least some models? Company acquisitions are always interesting. If they are buying technology or patented systems, I guess it could make sense. What else are you getting, market share associated with the name?

That said, it would be so neat if they made real Maytags, maybe as the intermediate models, and made the Whirlpools the KitchenAides of washers, if you get my meaning. But I would hope that a new Maytag under Whirlpool would have some of the old Maytag magic in it. Any way you look at it though, better than getting bought up by the Chinese.
 
I think a bunch of us should get together and put an offer in. I bet the stockholders would be more impressed with us than anyone else and would rather we take it over and do it right.
 
Hyrbid strengthens gene-pool

Hey

Agiflow/Pat...I like how you think!

Imagine a TOL T/L "Dependable Care" Whirlppol Gold that is Maytag engineering with all the bells and whistles normally seen on a Kenmore badged machine? I think i'd have a "Depends" moment! Especaully if the tubs (Both inner and outer) were made of SS!!!!)

OH MY!

-Steve
 
Since Haier is a STATE owned company of communist China, I would think there would be more outcry about their even daring to make an offer to buy a well-known American name like Maytag. Where's Joe McCarthy when you need him?? (oh, well, never mind him then) I'll bet most people don't even know what's happening with this company (or any other for that matter) and it's not "newsworthy" enough. Where's Walter Cronkite when you need him?? Someone call Michael Moore - hurry!!
 
i like the idea of WP taking over Maytag.also would like to know what will happen to Hoover in all this mess-Wish it could be sold to someone who would be interested in having Hoover make some GOOD vacuums for a change.
 
The fate of Hoover

I have to agree with those who see Whirlpool as the best of suitors for Maytag, or maybe the least of the evils.
POor Hoover, lets hope that Whirlpool will show some interest in North Canton!
 
Hey Peter:

How many club members would have to put up how much money?

I'm serious as a felony. I have no do-re-mi to put up myself, but I would cheer on the rest of you until my fortunes changed.

Imagine that making the front of Wall Street Journal. You couldnt make it more newsworthy than that, Greg, my boy.
 
We SHOULD buy Maytag!!

Exactly!! Jon Charles mentioned doing this when we were in Newton a few weeks ago, we should have walked up and made the offer then! It was a bargain three weeks ago but now that the price has zoomed up to more than $1.3 billion, it might be a little out of our reach.

Any luck arranging financing Jon?
 
The fate of Hoover

Do you suppose Electrolux might move in on Hoover in your part of the world? seeing as they own it down here in Oz.(along with Westinghouse and Simpson as well).
You know people, this whole Maytag episode over there has remarkable similarities to what happened to the Simpson company down here, I don't really know the history of Maytag,wether it was a family owned company or something else again, but Simpson was started in 1853 by Alfred Simpson and when he died his son inherited it and I understand just before he died a few short years ago,he apparently said on his deathbed that he should never have allowed the company to be bought out by Email, and it should have stayed a family owned business, Oh Well!! I guess we are all wiser in hindsight.
Cheers folks.
 
Family run businesses

The problem is, sooner or later, money talks. Very few families have the will to withstand the lure of money. Sooner or later, it comes down to "take the money and run". Some corporations have the sense to just own a company and let be run by the people who know what they are doing, but most just HAVE to put their 2 cents in, and end up ruining it.
 
Hoover and Maytag...

Problem is Maytag blames Hoover for their "slump" ... Ok sure I'll be the first to agree the stuff Hoover's made in the last few years has been sad, but it was Maytag making the calls, not Hoover.
Maytag's quality has not been all that stellar the last few years either...
 
On this matter IMHO....

Well,

All I can say is that Maytag is their own worst enemy and has been for years. Forever now up until a few years ago; have been operating under the assumption that it's 1958 and everything is peachy keen and ro-say and that their products are still like those made at that point.

Their newly minted "Wall-Street selected AND approved" managerial staff in Newton are interestingly obsessed now, LONG after others painfully went under, or went thru massive restructuring to become:

Manufacturing Competitive- Closing down major plants in North Canton Ohio, Galesburg Illinois, and quite possibly Newton Iowa (here soon) who for decades made these brands famous for good work ethic, excellent build quality...yet again over paying workers high wages and benefits back from the times when things were flush for these brands, and lulling them into believing that the good times would last forever. So rather than trying to ask them to "work" with the company, they ended up helping them "work against" the company..a double edged sword to be sure...but when their paid and compensated like it's good ol 1958 in the year 2005 how are they to know any better...

Instead of asking these people to take approriate pay cuts and maybe work for $15.00-20.00 an hour with benefits and forgo the $30.00 some dollar an hour jobs...in order to KEEP their work AND livelyhood which will dissappear for all time now due these problems Maytag Corporation took another less Ballsy tact. Maytag decided for itself along with it's other "helpless under their control divisions" aka Hoover, instead of fighting with their greedy unions and employees who THEY mislead, ass ended these hard working yet greedy and selfish workers who, were under the assumption that all was well..became surly and defiant and proved thru strikes, slowdowns and stoppages that they cant do what they did before..nor could OR would they do it for less...Again a double edged sword. Neither side would give or co-operate.

So Maytag called upon those "Crazy" yet willing persons in China, Mexico and Canada who are so willing to do this work FOR us at $10.00 and hour and MAYBE a benefit or two, and started plant deactivation across the country and started importing these wares and passing them off as true Maytag and Hoover and Magic Chef even.

And so, to get it in the "happy box' where they were "attempting" to make money went to them "willy nilly"...and we loose. Everyone. They had had decades to get this under control and they diddn't. And those who finally got the picture at the few remaining plants around the US began to work hard at producing crap that is still american made so to speak, but with MAJOR foriegn content still pass this stuff off as what it used to be. And consumers are tired of being played off as stupid.

After squeezing out those in management who had made Hoover and Maytag famous thru the 1980's- Yes this they did and they also did a top to bottom reorganization of the entire corporate sturcture thruought 2002, yet they still allowed the company to drift along on an outdated and aimless corporate policy; and bring in insipid neyophytes who's college educations in "Lean Sigma", and brutal maagemetal strategies like deactivation of Hoover's Corporate stores for example rule the roost.

Pushing out Competitive Products that arent what they used to be- It's strange but these companies made their mark on society with being the best of the best of the best sir. The fact that the corporation has been deliberatly been trading their good's as if they were still built like the "1958 Maytag's and Hoovers" level's of quality, is stupid, image bruising and confusing to people.

Becasue Mister John Jones out there in Iowa purchases a Maytag Neptune washer and dryer becasue he's a patriotic fellow who buys american asnd still believes by company advertising that thier still made out of cast aluminum and work for decades finds after a year that his washer will no longer work properly becasue of it's electronic control board failing. Becasue mister jones is under the assumption that it's american made and a iron horse Maytag is pissed off and leaves the fold forever becasue after the third control board is installed he's about ready to shoot Ol' Lonley and buy a LG from Best Buy down the road...and eventually he does this and leaves the fold for good.

Maytag has consistently passed off crap as real genuine Maytag since at least 1990, and has consistently played their previous image card for too long....rather like Cadillac selling a Cimmaron, but in this case it was Maytag selling junk from their Magic Chef division. They had consistently rode out on products that were technologically state of the are in 1966,and when replaced with cheaper or foreign made stuff like a Magic Chef washer sold as if it was the old 1966 Washpower Maytag an intersting thing happened. They bombed becasue they were breaking in homes all over America.

All in all,in the end everything they tried to do FAILED miserably and now they are are ready to activate the doomesday machine and do ANOTHER complete reorganization with the help of a NEW financial benefactor who may actualy get it right this time. Becasue no matter what their current formula doesn't work, nor really can it's old formula work either...

Their corporate strategy failed and no one is really SURE anymore of what their public image is supposed to be.

This is where IMHO.. Whirlpool and to a marked extent Frigidaire are undoubtedly getting it right...building stuff to a higher level with a more willing and reduced labor force with a more understanding union...but this is becasue the took these matters to the rug during the period when everyone else was in the early 1980's, when Maytag and Hoover were still busy counting their cash and not planning for a strange and unknowing future.

I really think that even if the Hoover Convertible, Dialamatic, and Celebrity were brought back along with Maytag Wringer Washers, halo of Heat Dryers, Helical Drive Pushbutton Automatics and were built EXACTLY like they used to couldnt even stem the tide. And besides at current rates they would all cost a mint to buy...nor are they nearly as sophisticated as things made today, and as consumers EXPECT them to be.

Even tho tho they may seem to need this, the market wouldnt hold for a machine of that nature considering what is going on with goverments insipid stupid and unnescescary involvement in "efficency" Yes we have a resouce problem, BUT do all washers made today HAVe to be front loaders and boring No but they are and so it goes .I cannot believe that they are making Hoover the culprit of their nasty corporate morass tho this really torques me to the nth degree.

When I accepted the position with Hoover in 2001, the " Hoover Company, Division of Maytag" so to speak was still intact, and was in a somewhat autononymous form. The division was doing what it could to make the corporation more competitive but yet Maytag was still NOT happy with the Good ol way they were still running Hoover. So in with the Corn Huskers from Newton and Hoover was never the same after. The whole managerial staff was either replaced or let go, and the whole managerial operation moved lock stock and barrel to 403 W. Fourth Street in Newton. Leaving N.Canton with a gaping mouth and a high unemployment rate.

I wouldnt be suprised if Whirlpool, being the only manufacturer besides the AB Electrolux Frigidaire Division to gain in market share, and consumer satisfaction over Maytag Corporation diddn't become in control somehow of this lost entity. In fact maybe just maybe if they HAD the opportunity to work out what is obviously the current formula for sucess at Whirlpool Corporation...Maytag, Hoover, Dixie Narco and even Magic Chef may AGAIN be able to regain lost ground and some day mean something again.

Chad
 
Haier has bowed out

On the news this morning, Haier has dropped out of the group interested in Maytag. Now its between the group that made the buyout bid back in May, and Whirlpool.
All subject to the approval of Maytag stockholders...
My vote goes to Whirlpool...
 
Chad

What crazy people in Canada are willing to do that work for $10 no-one, this isn't Mexico north maybe $20 - $25 with more benefits than the US has. You can't get teens to flip burgers for that here. It so tight now in Alberta anyways, that they've just reduced the minimum age to 12 because they can't get anyone older to do it.
 
I stand corrected....

I was on a mild rant...mainly because this company gave me everything at first, and within a few short months of Maytag taking over everything in North Canton in August of 2002, shoved myself and hundreds if not more of others into the street with nothing. In my case I was out on my a** 6 days after Christmas 2003. A fine howdoya'do in my book.

I am only implicating that IMHO Many cases have proven that major corporations are slicing workforces here and sending them N/S/E/W of all of our borders, and they ARE somehow doing it for less even tho you have pointed out that Canada is this exception to the rule, and will be so noted in my book from here on out.

In any case all of this has far reaching and long lasting consequences..some day, and not that long into a very abysmal future...we will find ourselves no longer being in control of our own destiny's her in the USA. Maybe Im wrong to assume this, but until our contry becomes more concerned with US rather than people elsewhere i.e China, Hong Kong Mexeeho and others..we loose here. It's proven itself over and over and over again...for decades.

I do not wish to start anything on here, honestly it's just something that hasn't been passed up by the rest of the nation as being a major problem..outsourcing of jobs. Im just stating an opinion of mine, and venting major frusteration over the shortcomings of this company...and the fact that time and time again they promised a better day for us the workers... and then later gave nothing of what they promised.

I feel major anger due the fact that I lost what I consider a lifetime of opportunity when Maytag decided FOR Hoover, to deactivate many of it's sales outlets across the US. I felt that I had a future with the company, a place that I could prosper at and retire from. Unfortunatly this never occured, and it damaged my passion that I had for these "vacuum cleaners" that I have loved from inception.

Im coming out of it...but anything that I see about this company crying like It spilled it's saucer of milk and needs more form the store and can't pay for it...puts me into that same feeling I felt the last day I locked the doors to something I loved more than my cousins, car, house or my dog....something that I put every ounce of my being into..A Hoover Service Center that made me whole...

So therfore If I erupt into a five page documentary on what I feel is wrong...and I tend to point fingers when I do...please understand that, my reaction is not unnatural..ask anyone who has been reduced to working in a grocery store, and doing odd jobs to make ends meet...and you wont hear too much different from what I said....ask anyone from GM, Ford , Chrysler..and applaince company who has outsourced, electrical trades, phone trades, furniture trades..all dissappearing beyond our reach AND borders...just not Canada...

Chad
 
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