who thinks on modern washers of today the temp option hot wash with warm rinse shloud be offerd

[frontloaderfan]

Thermospin

What an ingenious idea! I don't think we'll ever see that in the US though. The standard 120 V house current here would not be able to power that strong of a heater which one would need in order to accomplish the 5 minutes at 80 C.

 

[gorenje]

Hello,

well, these are just "my two cents" or a momental thinking about this argument...

When I wash something in my front loader at high temperature (for example 95°C or 60°C) the laundry itself and the tub are so hot that the first rinse is consequently a warm rinse indeed. And than the following are cold rinses.
Well, this applies only for the mentioned hot washes and is not so when the wash water is cold.

... I was just thinking out loud

Ingemar

 

[henene4]

Well, wrong. You have LG washer/dryer combos over there either. And the heaters in there are approx. the same size as the BSH ones have (1400W I think). And 5min at 80° are easy going: The washer/dryer starts heating and THEN, ones it reached 80° after about 10-30 min, it starts the Thermospin. Ones the clothes are heated up, the heater has no problem to keep the temp at 80°. The water expends at this temperature enough so it is easyer to get it spun out off the fiber.
The idea was first used by Miele, and till today, the Miele washer/dryer does this, but only at normal temperature, ones you selected low temp, it won't.
But 80° are way to hot for drying in my opinion. I would rather get a AEG with heatpump tech that will be launched soon here in the EU.

 

[whirlcool]

I wish they would put a "Normal" & "Energy Star" switch on washers. Let the end user be the one to decide if they want to be green to the point of uselessness. In normal mode the washer would have all the water use and functionality of the washers we had in the 70's. In Energy Star mode you'd get the max savings.

 

[washman]

arbilab said it exactly as I would

 

[tolivac]

Amen-Iam for the USER and OWNER deciding what type of energy loads he wants-get the go'vt out of it-get them out of my laundry room,kitchen,car,and so forth--lets go back to indivudual liberties--let YOU decide!!!!

 

[jeffg]

+1 on the last few comments. 95% of what we wear these days is cotton, and cold water (for either washing or rinsing) stinks for cotton. Sometimes literally.

 

[logixx]

"I wish they would put a "Normal" & "Energy Star" switch on washers."

 

Maybe that'll happen one day in the US. Many European washers are offering this now. As of recently, the energy saving cycle is also mentioned in the manual and marked on the control panel.

 

[frontloaderfan]

@ Henene

But you will hopefully agree that a heater powered by 120 V is not as effective or efficient as a heater that is powered by 230 V? Hence the longer wash times in the US with washers equipped with onboard heaters.