who thinks on modern washers of today the temp option hot wash with warm rinse shloud be offerd

[pierreandreply4]

hello to all aw members who thinks that on modern top load washers of today and modern frontload washer of today as well as the warm wash warm rinse water temp there should also be the option of a hot water wash with warm rinse option as sometime not all cold water rinse can be efficiant because sometime i have notice this on my old direct drive inglis superbII direct drive washer when the cycle was complete i had to set it on another full cycle to fully remove suds from the clothes in warm water?see pic of this old belt drive top load washer for exemple.

 

[tolivac]

Yes-the warm rinse should still be available.

 

[arbilab]

Yes it should be available. And the switch to enable warm rinse should not bear upon "energy star" [rolleyes] ratings. If the owner WANTS to "energy star" the cold option is still available.

Give the buyer/user control, not the [expletive] government.

 

[chestermikeuk]

Variable Temperature

Is the standard on most fl washers here, cold, 30,40 60 and 90d, the most I use is 40 and 60....

Can someone please explain the benefits of a warm rinse for those who never have used the feature?

 

[washer111]

Warm Rinse

I believe it harkens from the days when real soap was used, and it offered better performance all round. Nowadays, it isn't really necessary, but items sensitive drastic to heat changes (Woolens or stretchy stuff) need it so they don't shrink/stretch

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

LG Frontloaders with Allergy Rinse

Here in the UK, I'm guessing worldwide, LG offer an Allergy rinse cycle option which heats the rinse water up to Max40C (depending on temperature selected).

Hot rinsing is proven to remove detergent better. Mostly in the days of top loaders due to the higher volume of detergent that was needed.

 

[golittlesport]

It would be nice to have that option, but it will never happen

 

[jerrod6]

I also doubt this will happen since most regular wash cycles are now using 105F and less as the hot temperature.

 

[julianweber]

add warm rinse to Speed Queen

I was thinking about adding a switch to my Speed Queen front load to swap the hot and cold. That would give me the original...

Hot/Cold
Warm/Warm
Warm/Cold
Cold/Cold

and...

Cold/Hot
Warm/Warm
Warm/Hot
Hot/Hot

Honestly, I don't know if I would gain much other than the Hot wash / Hot rinse. I still wouldn't have the Hot wash / Warm rinse.

 

[hoover1100]

Honestly

I can't say I see the point personally. The idea of rinsing in anything other than cold water in automatics here was non-existant until the LG 'medic rinse' came out a couple of years ago.

I had never even heard of anyone rinsing in anything other than cold water until I began reading this site.

Surely more rinses in cold water would be both more effective and more efficient than fewer warm water rinses?

As for the hygiene aspect that LG proclaims, surely a hotter wash temp with a cold rinse would be more effective again?

I must say I've never had clothes come out of the machine poorly rinsed as a result of the water being too cold before!

Even for synthetic (permenant press) fabrics, a stepped cooldown to cold rinses is the norm here, negating the need for a warm rinse.

Matt

 

[jerrod6]

Matt

I kind of agree. I can understand that with older detergents or soap that a hot or warm rinse might have had some effectiveness but now with detergents designed to wash in cold I just can't understand what a hot or warm rinse is going to do.

To me cold rinses would tend to lessen the rinse effectiveness of modern day detergents. This is one of the reasons I don't like detergents specifically advertised for cold washes. If it washes well in cold then how do you get rid of this stuff in a todays rinses with so little water?

 

[pierreandreply4]

modern detergent and direct drive top load washer

i know for a fact that in the case of on older top load direct drive washer in the case of my 1993 inglis superbII washer if i use a liquid detergent i had no trouble with a cold rinse but if the detergent is a powder then i was require to restart a full cycle so that the warm water would remove the suds in the fabric but other wise it was a great washer that only had 2 minor repairs 1 in 1996 a new motor and in 1998 a new timer if it was not for the agitator breaking i would still have this set today rather than my duet set

 

[dj-gabriele]

Totally second what Matt/Hoover1100 said!
Plus I wouldn't wash in an LG machine regardless as they're simply "laudry offenders" with poor performances and quality :S

 

[dj-gabriele]

Forgot to add...

Warm rinses had a sense before the 50s when automatic started selling in more than marginal numbers and synthetic detergents started to become widespread!
Real soap dissolved better in warm water but surfactants will come away just as easily in cold!

And also textile shock is prevented with the adoption of "cool down" in high temperature cycles.

 

[whirlcool]

Since I have a severe detergent allergy now we rinse everything with warm water. I want to ensure that I get every bit of soap out of the clothing. Clothes seem to rinse better in warm water rinse anyway. Towels rinsed in warm water and dried on the "gentle/knits" setting come out way softer.

 

[pierreandreply4]

warm rinse

and i also think that a warm rinse can save on drying time for a load like for exemple a load on 40 45 minutes time dry high heat would simply take 29 30 minutes high heat if load is rinse in warm water

 

[lavamat_jon]

The only way you'd be able to reduce drying times like that is if you used a higher spin speed i.e. in a spinner or a fast-spinning washer... Not that I have even tried it, but I very much imagine that any difference in drying times would be negligible if anything.

 

[logixx]

Miele's AllWater washers allow the option to take in warm water for the wash and the rinse. Warm rinses take place on Cotton cycles with a 50C or above main wash and Perm Press with a 40C+ wash. The manual says,warm rinses save ten percent in water. Probably because a warm rinse does a better job removing detergent.

RE:drying. Well, many washer/dryers run a Thermospin during the drying cycle to get even more water out of the clothes. I guess heated fibers release water more easily than cold ones.

 

[logixx]

Thermospin:

 

[maytaga806]

No, You cannot get fabrics rinsed completely with out cold water. Plus it saves energy and money.

 

[frontloaderfan]

Thermospin

What an ingenious idea! I don't think we'll ever see that in the US though. The standard 120 V house current here would not be able to power that strong of a heater which one would need in order to accomplish the 5 minutes at 80 C.

 

[gorenje]

Hello,

well, these are just "my two cents" or a momental thinking about this argument...

When I wash something in my front loader at high temperature (for example 95°C or 60°C) the laundry itself and the tub are so hot that the first rinse is consequently a warm rinse indeed. And than the following are cold rinses.
Well, this applies only for the mentioned hot washes and is not so when the wash water is cold.

... I was just thinking out loud

Ingemar

 

[henene4]

Well, wrong. You have LG washer/dryer combos over there either. And the heaters in there are approx. the same size as the BSH ones have (1400W I think). And 5min at 80° are easy going: The washer/dryer starts heating and THEN, ones it reached 80° after about 10-30 min, it starts the Thermospin. Ones the clothes are heated up, the heater has no problem to keep the temp at 80°. The water expends at this temperature enough so it is easyer to get it spun out off the fiber.
The idea was first used by Miele, and till today, the Miele washer/dryer does this, but only at normal temperature, ones you selected low temp, it won't.
But 80° are way to hot for drying in my opinion. I would rather get a AEG with heatpump tech that will be launched soon here in the EU.

 

[whirlcool]

I wish they would put a "Normal" & "Energy Star" switch on washers. Let the end user be the one to decide if they want to be green to the point of uselessness. In normal mode the washer would have all the water use and functionality of the washers we had in the 70's. In Energy Star mode you'd get the max savings.

 

[washman]

arbilab said it exactly as I would

 

[tolivac]

Amen-Iam for the USER and OWNER deciding what type of energy loads he wants-get the go'vt out of it-get them out of my laundry room,kitchen,car,and so forth--lets go back to indivudual liberties--let YOU decide!!!!

 

[jeffg]

+1 on the last few comments. 95% of what we wear these days is cotton, and cold water (for either washing or rinsing) stinks for cotton. Sometimes literally.

 

[logixx]

"I wish they would put a "Normal" & "Energy Star" switch on washers."

 

Maybe that'll happen one day in the US. Many European washers are offering this now. As of recently, the energy saving cycle is also mentioned in the manual and marked on the control panel.

 

[frontloaderfan]

@ Henene

But you will hopefully agree that a heater powered by 120 V is not as effective or efficient as a heater that is powered by 230 V? Hence the longer wash times in the US with washers equipped with onboard heaters.