Why Do All Speed Queens Spray Rinse While Full of Water?

[ozzie908]

Sebo vacuums

Are not only made well but everything on a Sebo is replaceable/repairable and so make quite a decent investment I have new thick carpet and out of all the vacs I have the best one is the Sebo X4 pet Automatic it rises on its own and makes vacuuming much easier, I also have Sebo Felix they are brilliant on thinner carpet and hard floors but unless you turned the suction to low and raised the brushbar it would stall and so made it hard to use. I also have C1 Pet from Sebo its a brilliant canister vac great for stairs and upholstery as well as hard floors it does have a Airbrush but that refuses to move on new carpet so its left upstairs to deal with kitty litter !!

 

[panasonicvac]

Yes they do, they make the Mechanical 300 and 350 models. I'll put a link to them down below here. But on a side note, I wouldn't worry too much on the electronics. Sebo has proven to be one of if not the most reliable vacuum companies out there just like Speed Queen. Even if something ever did go wrong, they are super easy to fix. And Sebo unlike most vacuum companies out there, they actually make their vacuums even better than they ever have been before. Personally, I prefer a Sebo vacuum that uses electronics. Same goes for Speed Queen washers and dryers because they both would offer more features that the mechanical ones do not have. Example you can turn the brushroll off, the height would automatically adjust, the vacuum would shut off if the bag was full or if there was a clog, etc. Feel free to watch a demonstration video of this white X4 that you can still buy today, which is technically a Kenmore Professional 12 but newer and branded as Sebo.

https://www.sebo.us/upright-vacuums/300-350-mechanical/sebo-300-350-mechanical-heavy-duty-reliable-vacuum-cleaner.aspx

 

[Chetlaham]

Nice!

Do you have a good link?

Auto rising vacuum sounds complicated. I take an onboard computer and sensors does all that?

 

[Chetlaham]

Not to put anyone on the spot, but at 10:45 I have to say that I agree:

 

[windrivers]

Just like the machinery, not all electronics are created equal.

Do you think a company like Whirlpool, that obviously no longer cares about quality, is going to make washers out of tin and plastic that is designed to break, and then use the highest quality aircraft or automotive-grade electronics?

I would choose mechanical dials if I could, because I think of them as being tried and true, and I'm resistant to change. However, it's becoming more impractical, or impossible, to do so if buying a new machine. But even if Amana had mechanical dials, I would still chose a Speed Queen with electronics over it every time.

 

[Chetlaham]

Very true unfortunately. Whirlpool knows their main parts (belt, shifter, splutch, tub seals, suspension) will only last X amount of cycles, so anything else like fill valves or electronics will be engineered around the same life expectancy.

In a perfect world appliances would be like the cars in Cuba. Still going strong after decades, going a step further in that they would be designed for refurbishment vs replacement at the 30 year mark.

 

[foraloysius]

I guess a similar question can be asked in regards to timers. Do you think a company that doesn't care about quality anymore, would use the highest quality timers?

 

[panasonicvac]

Yes, there's a motor that levels the height adjuster while being controlled by a circuit board. It's like your Kenmore Intuition where there's a circuit board to control the motor of the brushroll. This video would give a proper explanation of why this is important to have on a vacuum.



Neither Mechanical models can do that feature, that's one of the reasons why I prefer the X models.

https://www.sebo.us/upright-vacuums/300-350-mechanical/sebo-300-350-mechanical-heavy-duty-reliable-vacuum-cleaner.aspx

 

[gelaundry4ever]

being stupid

Speed Queen is stupid for putting the spin speed at low on the heavy duty cycle after the wash cycle and before rinse. My apartment Speed Queen does it on the normal cycle with the machine set even at heavy soil.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

spray rinsing while full

On top of the low speed spin, I still don't get why it spray rinses while full of water. These are 2 of my pet pievs.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

firsthand experience

I have had firsthand experience with early spray rinsing and low speed spin on the normal cycle with heavy soil level or the equivalent heavy duty cycle. Tell me I'm wrong!

 

[Chetlaham]

Your not wrong! Fast spin + 2-3 minutes of spin-drain before initiating spray is ideal IMO.

 

 

The exception I feel would permanent press, where the spray would start at the instant the pressure switch is reset and run until the spin stops and the tub fills up for the rinse just like with GE filter flos. GE had a nice thing going, and with Speed Queen's targeted fill flume would in essence perfect it. Simple, easy, beautiful.

 

Lots of good could be done without energy regs and common sense engineering. 

 

Also, let me be the one to apologize for your downy ball not opening. That makes me sad when I think about it

   

 

[gelaundry4ever]

hard feelings

I have no hard feelings towards Speed Queen. I just wish they'd left the spin speed at high speed when using normal cycles. It will open the downy ball if you do smaller loads. I stay near the machines to open the ball, though it does tend to leak out into the tub as the water fills. I just open the lid and press the weight down.

 

[Chetlaham]

I'm glad to hear your not taking it as hard as I am. But hey, hard feelings can be as good as they are bad in that I find feelings drive constructive reform leading to a better future for all.

 

I'm glad to hear its working on smaller loads. I would not worry about softener leaking into the outer tub. In theory the pump running in reverse during agitation will kick any softener back up into the outer tub if it had migrated into the pump during fill. This is why it is essential to have the pump running in reverse when agitating. A drain pump with a one way impeller makes for poorer performance and shouldn't be used in a washing machine IMO. Whirlpool BDs were the worst in that the pump would drain water out of the machine for 1 second at the start of agitation. I can imagine some Woolite, liquids and fabric softeners having been pulled out of machines millions of times when users added liquids to the bottom of the wash basket. Having the pump directly attached to the main motor was done for many, many brilliant reasons and this is one of them. 

 

 

 

 

 

[mobilemaid]

Perhaps Speed Queen programmed this spray rinse as a way to knock down any detergent foam and suds to enable the tub to come to a full-speed spin?

 

[gelaundry4ever]

Speed Queen during agitation

I believe the pump does run during agitation in both wash and rinse when on heavy soil on the normal cycle. I recently cleaned the downy balls so I pray that it will work this time.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

downy ball near agitator

I will try and put the downy ball near the agitator when doing big loads.

 

[Chetlaham]

@MobilMade: That is probably the idea, however, IMO to many variables are at play. I like the idea of letting the tub go into full spin then add water like all the other major manufacturers. Though you not wrong, this is probably Speed Queens exact line of thinking. 

 

@gelaundry4ever: I hope you're Downy ball works out on low Speed!

 

 

 

 

[gelaundry4ever]

downy ball opening during intermediate spin

I'm gonna try it this weekend when I do my normal wash routine.

 

[Chetlaham]

Let us know how it goes!