That's because they are changing the "culture" at Whirlpool.
Why Has Whirlpool Never Sold a BOL Power Clean Module?
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American culture needs to change demanding their old appliances back. People who blindly buy, let the company become anything.
phillymatt53
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It seems to me, a person who bases things on logic and common sense, that a great reputation for a company is aquired by having a strict set of codes.
Like....
*Not falling to greedy temptations.
*Appreciating the customer's positive feedback, knowing it's the difference between sink or swim.
*Having a tight Quality Control department.
*Having an excellent engineering and design staff.
*Spending plenty of time doing thorough testing.
So with that, it's a shame that products of all sorts come with a warranty that's short lived, like their products.
Like....
*Not falling to greedy temptations.
*Appreciating the customer's positive feedback, knowing it's the difference between sink or swim.
*Having a tight Quality Control department.
*Having an excellent engineering and design staff.
*Spending plenty of time doing thorough testing.
So with that, it's a shame that products of all sorts come with a warranty that's short lived, like their products.
phillymatt53
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Great post!
vacerator
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Yes Chet, and one front load washer was from Bauknecht of Deutschland. As far as demanding back old technology, is living in the past. Ist gone. Mover on.
California barely has enough drinking water. The global population has surpased 8 billion. That's common sense.
California barely has enough drinking water. The global population has surpased 8 billion. That's common sense.
Modern dishwashers use more water than older ones, like 20 times more. Thats not progress. Neither are all the premature failures.
The issue is that design foisted a smaller space lower rack when the competing brands were all going to flat lower racks. Easier to load. Fit pots better.
That’s when GE, the big user of power towers, made their flat design that looked like it came out of a chilly pool.
You say that as their dishwashers have the most innovative 3rd rack in the industry, currently?
A 3rd rack is nothing new, doesn't make machines more efficient, and as whole Whirlpool is falling behind. GE and Samsung have all released block buster products- like well thought out combos.
Indeed, however, it brought down cost and offered simplicity in that there is less to go wrong.
phillymatt53
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In addition to Chetlaham's post #22, and Vacerator's post #25, I got to thinking.... (a dangerous thing, mind you!)
The global complacency, and as mentioned, the culture, surely isn't what it used to be.
My views are that a large part of society, have adopted that "Dumbing Down" syndrome, and "Herd Mentality". - Follow the leader, do like they do.
A substantial part of this is due to advertizing, the economy, and governmental crap like idiotic mandates, instilling fear, and more.
Lord knows it seems everyone's glued to a cellphone these days, and lives by "apps".
The funny thing is, the 'net, and technology is claimed to bring people together, when in my opinion it's actually seperated people.
Humorous, funny, but yet sad, I've seen those photos of a bunch of young people sitting around the lunchroom table, each one staring at their tiny glowing screens and ignoring their immediate company.
I mentioned idiotic mandates - those include the recent ones we've all heard about, and I'm sure there's likely a thread topic on the dishwasher mandates, hot water heaters, air conditioners, and other appliances that stress people's nerves, worrying about having to replace them.
God only knows what's next on the agenda to fuss about.
The global complacency, and as mentioned, the culture, surely isn't what it used to be.
My views are that a large part of society, have adopted that "Dumbing Down" syndrome, and "Herd Mentality". - Follow the leader, do like they do.
A substantial part of this is due to advertizing, the economy, and governmental crap like idiotic mandates, instilling fear, and more.
Lord knows it seems everyone's glued to a cellphone these days, and lives by "apps".
The funny thing is, the 'net, and technology is claimed to bring people together, when in my opinion it's actually seperated people.
Humorous, funny, but yet sad, I've seen those photos of a bunch of young people sitting around the lunchroom table, each one staring at their tiny glowing screens and ignoring their immediate company.
I mentioned idiotic mandates - those include the recent ones we've all heard about, and I'm sure there's likely a thread topic on the dishwasher mandates, hot water heaters, air conditioners, and other appliances that stress people's nerves, worrying about having to replace them.
God only knows what's next on the agenda to fuss about.
Energy efficiency mandates have only resulted in more energy being used with more landfill waste. Dishwasher efficiency peaked in the early 2000s with the electronic Power Cleans and then it went down hill from there as a whole.
Even an absolute BOL Power Clean with a mediocre 11 gallon water cycle would out-clean anything sold today to the point dishware energy and water use would plummet by 90%.
(the 30 minute wash is heated with at least 850 watts)
Even an absolute BOL Power Clean with a mediocre 11 gallon water cycle would out-clean anything sold today to the point dishware energy and water use would plummet by 90%.
(the 30 minute wash is heated with at least 850 watts)
vacerator
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How do they use more water? The only way I can figure that is if the water isn't hot enough in the pre wash, and it purges and fills until the thermister senses it is hot enough. Other wise it is much less. Wash times are longer regardless. The older single motor wash/drain pumps needed more water to make the same pressure for the wash arms because the sumps and impellers were larger. The DM Roto racks had to move the top spinning racks. The member from California who said higher up in the thread that college educated ones advising the bureucrats are stupid is ignorant. If he knows so much, then he should go do it and lobby for old technology.
lavamat_jon
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User pre-rinsing. Most Americans with a tall tub pre-rinse in various degrees. With the amount of water used pre-rinsing and pre-treating, it would make more sense to just add soap to a sponge spending a few extra seconds washing everything by hand.
With a Power Clean Filter Module water never touches anything beforehand. Tilt, scrape, load, accumulate and then run a cycle. Dishware, silverware, bakeware, pots, pans and other items can be loaded as is and can accumulate as is over a day or two. In just one cycle both dishes and the machine come out spotless, clean, film free and sanitized. No odors, no smells, no clogged holes, no afresh, no manual clean filters, no food bits at the bottom, no residue. Nothing left behind other than immuculate kitchenware.
Many gallons of water are saved along with the energy used to heat with a load-as-is dishwasher.
phillymatt53
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I always do a quick scrape-rinse on dishes and pots before I load them in the dishwasher.
The garbage disposal can deal with any chunks that come off.
Besides, the DW filter screen never gets clogged up.
The garbage disposal can deal with any chunks that come off.
Besides, the DW filter screen never gets clogged up.
vacerator
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Well, my aunts used to say, except the one with 7 kids, there was no point to a dishwasher because you needed double dishes and flatware. We had one for the 7 of us because my dad bought them from Sears customers who had remodeled or upgraded.
lavamat_jon
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We’ve had this discussion before, but you don’t need to pre rinse with modern dishwashers, at least here in Europe. Nobody I know does this.
There are many in America who are forced to pre-rinse their dishes.
lavamat_jon
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Do you have quantifiable evidence, or is your statement speculative?
Even our cheap dishwashers here will perform well without pre rinsing, and I find it difficult to believe that American dishwashers can’t do this.
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