You know what's really, really intresting?

[mich]

Back in August of 2013, when Cascade Institutional (a formula geared towards Food Service use, and phosphate laden) was discontinued, a new product, came out from nowhere. 

 

Cascade "Professional" Fryer Boil Out - And what really strikes me, is the formula for this *new* product. 

 

For Comparison Sake, here is a MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for the new product. 

 

http://istudio.pgpro.com/Assets/DownloadMSDS/E9J25EY953Z2S464

 

and here is one, for Cascade Professional. Be sure to scroll all the way, to the bottom. 

 

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www.pg.com

 

Hmmm... Notice something similar? 

 

It would appear to me, in quiet, P&G realized, they'd lose a market, that really isn't a problem for them. No one is gonna ban Phosphate Based, Fryer Cleaning products. And if they did, they'd get an earful from people, who actually have to clean them. 

 

So, since dishwasher based formulas, are banned, they took their "multi-use" product, and simply repackaged it. Now, they can skirt the ban, and still sell to the market they always had... 

 

I'm not quite, sure, they would want purchasers, to use this though, for dishwasher detergent. But I don't see a reason not too. It's the same formula (from what I can tell), and I'd bet, it'd leave Dishes, "Virtually Spotless" like always  

 

 

 

 

 

[tomturbomatic]

Thank you!

The dishwasher detergent had, in fact, instructions on the package for cleaning deep fryers with it, so your discovery, while welcome, just proves that the government will never outsmart industry or even do much to exert more than a modicum of control over it WHEN industry's money talks. When the government took phosphates out of detergents used by housewives, they just did it and entertained no objections so households are left, for the most part, with crappy performance. The hospitality industry fought the phosphate ban to the mat, but when the rules were changed, they just started playing a new game. The new pass is not so much of a Hail Mary as Fu@k you. It just shows there is always hope when someone is making a buck.

 

[mom11]

Add TSP?

Hi, this might be a subject already covered and debated before but I am kinda new here so I haven't heard the answer. I read somewhere that you can add a teaspoon of TSP (the real trisodiumphospate not the fake TSP they sell now)to your Cascade or which ever dishwasher detergent and get the same results as the "professional" kind. Is that true? Thanks in advance.

 

[whirlcool]

It's not TSP it's STTP that you add. TSP is used with painting, etc. STTP is used with detergents and is not as hard on your items as TSP is. 1 tsp per load does the trick.
But even though it works well, I have found it's still best to use a DW detergent with phosphates in it from the factory. If you can still find any.

 

[mich]

The thing is.. and you'll notice this..

With any of the newer dishwasher detergents, new ingredients have been introduced, to replace what the Phosphates used to do. One of the main ones, being "Sodium Citrate" or "Citric Acid", and what this does, is soften water, but at the same time, kill the alikainty. This is not a good thing. Basically, the ingredient, that makes the water softer in your dishwasher, goes around, screwing up the rest of the detergent, and, even with Phosphates added, the phosphates & other ingredients, are never able to reach full performance. 

 

It really is kinda a crap shoot. I mean, on one hand, you can keep limescale buildup at bay, at the expense of full enzyme (food dissolving power) performance, or you can leave out the citrates, and get a great clean, at the expense of cloudy or spotted glasses. Phosphate Detergents, imo, give the best of both worlds, at no sacrifice of the dishwasher performance itself. 

 

[jeffg]

It's STPP not STTP and stands for Sodium TriPolyPhosphate.

TSP is TriSodium Phosphate. It's an entirely different and much harsher chemical, unsuitable for use in laundry. It's main uses are as a heavy duty cleaner/paint stripper, and filler in Kellogg's cereals. If you don't believe it read the labels.

 

[retropia]

Goody! I will have to stop and look for Cascade Professional Fryer Boil Out (or is it "Broiler Fry Out"?) the next time I'm near a GFS.

In my experiments with the current version of Cascade Complete Action Pacs, I've had good results, but it is nice to also have a powdered dishwasher detergent in my arsenal. Phosphated Cascade powder is my preferred weapon, and it will be even better if it still has chlorine bleach in it.

 

[a440]

Great Information!
Thank You!

 

[kenmoreguy89]

If it is really the same thing then this is a great news!!!!

 

[mich]

Now I'm curious...

I noticed one, restaurant supply shop in California has it all there locations, but, is it available at GFS?

 

[maytagbear]

GFS----

It should be, but availability may vary.

Lawrence/Maytagbear

 

[David345]

Cascade w/phosphates vs. Cascade Fryer Boil Out

I just received my case of 6 - 85 oz. boxes of Cascade Fryer Boil Out. I bought it online at CometSupply.com for $62 which includes shipping and handling. I purchased it after discovering that the Cascade w/phosphates Commercial Dishwasher Detergent had been discontinued. I did my homework first, however. The two photos I've attached show the Ingredients List on the side of each box. Photo 1 is the Boil Out; the other is from a box of Cascade Pro Commercial Dishwasher Detergent w/phosphates. You be the judge on whether they are different:

 

[mich]

So...

I gotta ask, how many members here, are still using Phosphate Laden, Cascade Professional?  

 

 

[nurdlinger]

+1

I bought the case of six (?), gave one away, and am still using the first one I opened.

 

[hiandry]

So where's the Bleach/Chlorine??

Below is what I copy/pasted from another site in it's description:

**Cascade Professional FRYER BOIL OUT (85 oz) WITH PHOSPHATES (#S4803)

CASCADE with Phosphates Professional Fryer Boil 85-oz is formulated for cleaning deep fryers.It contains water softening and cleaning agents (phosphate, sodium carbonate, non-ionic surfactant, *chlorine bleach* suds control) to give a deep clean.**

As you can see, it says, "chlorine bleach" in the list of contents.

Then below in the pictures are the ingredients of the past "professional" and the new "Fryer Boil" cascades. Neither says it contains "chlorine bleach". I don't understand, maybe someone reading this does and would be willing to explain this to me... I'm looking for the entire list of ingredients if that is possible.

 

[mich]

It's the...

Sodium Dichloroisocyanurate Dihydrate.

It's a chlorine pool shock compound, that P&G found worked well, in the 80's & 90's. Personally.. I love the bleachly smell when the dishwasher is running

 

[norgeway]

I used up

2 cases of it!

 

[hiandry]

Sodium Dichloroisocyanurate Dihydrate.

Thanks Mich! I looked up the ingredients on wiki and doing a quick skim I missread and thought it said it was a salt. Now I know... Thanks again.

 

[hiandry]

I read

that P&G will be discontinuing any product still containing phosphates this year. Of course I have no way of knowing if that information is correct, but...that is exactly what I figured would happen. IMO they intend on totally fazing out all phosphates.

Has anyone ever tried purchasing the ingredients of the Fryer Boil Out and mixing their own?