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daveamkrayoguy

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Is there a way to prevent them?

Often the load is unbalanced and I can't always rescue my washer, thumping and banging from the beating it takes from an unbalanced load in time...

And usually it's the OTHER SIDE of the tub the load of laundry is impaled against, so how funny it is to get a good shot of the entire load stopped against the side of the tub over HERE:

-- Dave

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Guys, what should I do?

Yes, that neutral drain often begins with a groan, and I often coax the spin by opening the lid and closing to initiate or resume proper functioning...

Too much water for the load? Meet Mr. Paranoid about being sure all the soap gets rinsed out as he is doubtful unless he soaps a lot the clothes won’t get clean—and that thing about rollover: I watch like a hawk adding more water and ever fueling my bad laundry habits...

— Dave
 
What should do ?

Stop forcing the washer to spin, let it drain the lint and dirt out of the clothing and let the clothing settle evenly in the basket, forcing a spin with water in the basket causes poor rinsing.

 

You should also wash larger loads and from the look of the crud stain on the agitator you need to use some combination of Hotter wash water, more or better detergent, if you are not dissolving and suspending all the dirt in the wash cycle it is IMPOSSIBLE  to rinse clothing properly as the dirt and scum still remain in your clothing.

 

Hi Glenn, KM DD Washers like this do not have out of balance cut off switches., only a few Catalyst and TOL electronic DD KMWs had this cut out switch.

 

John L.
 
If you’re that worried about rinsing, use an extra rinse if your machine has it or do one manually after the cycle, while using an appropriate water level to prevent the out of balance condition
 
is your washer spin drain or neutral drain?

Is your washer spin drain design or the neutral drain? kind if its spin drain i would try the following let it spin drain the water and lint out then open the washer lid thats stop the spin and then replace the clothes by hand and then let it resume spin?
 
Seen this before

It was due to rust in the water supply and an old hot water tank/heater I was at a friends who had not used his washer in a long while as always at work so me being me and there all day decided to wash some whites I have to say I was not impressed when everything came our a pale shade of orange....

Austin
 
If you are opening and closing the lid while the machine is attempting to drain you are causing the machine to prematurely go into spin before all the water has drained out of the tub. This can cause the machine to slosh the load to one side while trying to go into spin. Leave the machine alone and let it empty completely and allow it to shift over into spin correctly. Your load should remain balanced a lot better.
 
The AMKrayo Laundry Rehabilitations Hotline!

Okay, all of your pointers are appreciated and well-taken, so thank you all for your guidance and suggestions of each each way has been a positive way...

Now, off the top, the first step:

Cleaning that dirty tub!

I couldn’t find a small packet of Lemi-Shine that I had seen months ago and probably should have bought, but here is something although expensive, probably a lot better:

Three packets, mandatory use of hot water, so question is how high of a water level should I go? How long should the timer be on, and I would reckon the fast agitation and fast spin would also be recommended...

Let me know before I start...

— Dave

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NO, NO, NO.....your machine lacks any sort of Self-Clean feature what-so-ever...

no high water level is going to fix that filthy of a machine....short of taking a power washer to the whole thing....

I cannot conceive of you being a member of AWO and allowing a machine to get that far gone.....Helen Keller knew it needed cleaned with more than just W-A-T-E-R!!!

bottom line....ELBOW GREASE!!!

your going to need a few things.....and dropping in a tablet and running away isn't one of them.....that is, IF, and thats a BIG IF your going to do it right!!!

that cabinet needs to come off....the agitator needs to come out....the splash shield and balance ring need to come off for starters....

-Fantastic
-409
-Purple Cleaner
-Bathroom cleaner with Bleach

a few cleaning cloths, toothbrush, and an assortment of scrubbers will be needed....it helps if they actually touch the surfaces...

I have an idea....post a thread with pics of your progress in action....

in the end, you may have a machine that will CLEAN your clothes rather than make them dirtier then when they went in...
 
More suggestions needed--operator is standing by!

Well, literally, you all just make me want to--THROW IN THE TOWEL!!!!

That much work to use a washer, and then after a lifetime of my mother just doing my laundry for me, and simply saying clothes get clean and a washer lasts by simply NOT overloading, hence carrying on tradition of her philosophy and nothing more, whereas all that hard labor you guys are capable of making second nature?

Hmmmmm...

-- Dave

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I'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say it's not THAT bad! I've seen worse and guess what the clothes still came clean! Anyway on the original topic, let the machine neutral drain on it's own before spinning, use lower water levels for small loads and larger loads actually balance better. The load you pictured above could have easily been washed on the smallest load size setting, and a full load should be loaded loosely to the top of the tub. I usually add another item or 2 and it does just fine. You aren't going to kill the washer by washing full or even slightly overloaded loads.
 
More AMKrayoRehabilitation in the Laundry Room!

Okay, here is the nearly-full-sized load up to the water level’s maximum High, and even threw in a few of my clothes with what’s mostly the wife and mainly the kid’s stuff...

I quit using my Delicate wash cycle with the exception of a few whatever “dainty” things, we have around here, as my daughter’s friend has a dog, and her family is pet sitting a terrarium of gerbils, so I always wince and wrinkle my nose every time that I come over picking up/dropping my daughter off and she finally said that her clothes smell like her friend’s dog (& here she is wanting and begging us to buy her one, or some other pet like those gerbils, a rabbit or a hamster (but often a cat is tempting me)...

Wash and Rinse with a good detergent, and even Drying, shown:

— Dave

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More AMKrayoKoaching:

Well, okay, here is a full load with a different detergent with the water level set where I’d left it, and this soap is cheap stuff from Walmart...

Also using warm water for the wash, mommy and baby’s stuff (which will be an Always) with “something” (Ahem!) added in...

— Dave

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Hi Dave,

Ignoring the surface dirt on the machine, is that Mould/black slime poking out between the Plastic tub ring and the top of the washbowl? If you scrape it with a fingernail, does it come off?

How hot is your hot water? Is it 140deg in the Laundry or only 120 because you have a small child? If a tear down isnt on the cards, I would fill the machine with 140deg water (You might need to turn the thermostat up on the tank for 3-4 hours before you fill), add a two to three cups of pool chlorine, let it agitate with the lid up until it would normally drain and then leave it sit overnight. I would use a bucket or a hose to add hot water to just barely cover the top of the washbowl. Dont get the water level that high that it touches the plastic tub ring. Make sure there are no clothes nearby when its washing as splashes will damage the fabric.

Restart the cycle to the begining and let it run all the way through with an extra rinse, and then wash a load of rags with regular detergent. You'll probably find the rags come out covered in black/brown specs, which is the mould and slime from the outer tub.

If that black stuff on the top of the bowl doesnt scrape off, then I apologise.
 
I agree, how do you expect the clothes to come clean when the machine is dirty. Wipe down the bleach dispenser, lid opening and tub ring to remove all the crud. I usually do this to mine every month or so just so nothing gets built up. If you take care of your machine, it will take care of you!
 
Extra rinse needed?

Then it's so ordered:

Anyway I've seem to have followed nearly all advice here, I have refrained from being near the machine at or during any of its draining periods, and no unbalanced loads, either...

I think the laundry comes out satisfactorily but if not, then I will try the rag test that brisnat81 recommended...

I think despite the results of using my washer cleaner being embarrassingly as the machine was before, I did okay, other than, perhaps I should have rubbed that dirty spot with a rag during that washing, then...

So, thanks, then, and I will see if I can someday attempt to dismantle my entire unit and hopefully get her back together again and running as perfectly and better...

-- Dave

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Still more water than necessary.  Your loads aren't as large as you think.  Rapid, frantic rollover is overrated, with items spending mere seconds at a time at the oscillating lower fins, compared to a leisurely roll having the items spend a minute or even a couple down there before moving on up.

The little load pictured above, the lowest level or a little more, maybe 9:00 to 9:30 position, is sufficient.

Sun, Xtra, and other low-cost liquid detergents have a larger proportion of water in the formula ... adds volume and reduces the concentration of cleaning ingredients (lower production cost).  Low-cost powders have a lot of washing soda (sodium carbonate) which can contribute to harsh-feeling fabric.  These products also may have only one type of enzyme or none at all.

Pinol Ensueno powder has no enzymes.
- Sodium Sulfate (filler), a sodium salt of sulfuric acid
- Sodium Alkylbenzene Sulfonate (cleaning agent), an anionic surfactant
- Sodium Silicate (builder), composed of quartz sand and soda ash, aka water glass (soluble in water)
- Sodium Carbonate (builder), an alkaline sodium and carbon salt, aka washing soda
- Active Poly Sodium Metasilicate (builder), a non-phosphorus detergent/water softener
- Fragrance
- Disodium Distyrylbiphenyl Disulfonate (optical brightener), a dye that absorbs UV light and reflects blue light

Does someone in the household have skin sensitivity such that you can't use enzyme detergents?

Witness the gray scum-line on your agitator ... that's scrud (combination of laundry soil and mineral content from the water) that isn't held suspended in the wash water to be flushed away, and thus sticks to the agitator (and the basket) at the water line. This occurs with low-quality detergents (not handling the water conditions and soils), and too-low of detergent dosage can be a factor.

What you see on the surface *may* (or may not) be much worse accumulation on the outside of the basket and inside of the outer tub, where it can't be seen without disassembly.  Although that's not unusual for the typical washer.  The outer tub is translucent so scrud/gray/black residue sticking to it can be seen if the outer cabinet is removed ... if you're up to doing that.

Consider Arm & Hammer, All, Gain, and Tide Simply Clean (yellow bottle).

Good Housekeeping 2019 Best Detergents

If you want some extra rinsing without involving the full 2nd/Extra Rinse option, run the Perm Press cycle.  It adds a partial-drain and refill for the cool down before the first spin, which also functions as a sort-of rinse.

This is a perfectly fine leisurely rollover at low speed (not ex-low).  Set of sheets plus a bedspread.  Everything moves down, spends plenty time at the fins where the cleaning takes place.  High speed of course would be more aggressive and/or the wash time could be longer at 14 or 16 mins instead of 12 mins, but not really necessary for the load.
 
Fighting for the Underdog Detergents!

Yes, for what the “budget brands” I had bought such a slew of could forge into the usual competition of Tide vs. Gain, of which, one and one only, ferret out just one scent!

No, no detergent allergies, and as for water level, I will be continuously clueless where to set until I buy one of those fancy, new-fangled front loaders that just automatically set the right one for you...

Now let’s go out washer shopping and bring back the days of the Westinghouse slant front, as in the 21st century (LG, Samsung, or Haier?) answer to...

— Dave

 
Okay, need to bath linen and other miscellaneous towels? Can my little washer do all this:...?

Where should the water level be set at? I want the load to be good for washing it in, as well as good for itself...

Operator is standing by...

— Dave

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I'm assuming those are two different loads of towels because of the color grouping.  Each of those two loads would be full enough.  Put water level on highest water level.  Are you going to use the sturdy/heavy duty agitation of Normal/Fast or the Regular speed setting of Slow agitation/Fast spin?  
 
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