Hot Wash Cold Rinse Cycle?

[Chetlaham]

Robert, I know I owe you a great amount debt already and I've inadvertently let promises slip over the years to which I sincerely apologies. 

 

Would it be to much to ask for pictures of the control panels of your machines that do only cold rinses or have the capability of doing either warm or cold? As long as it isn't to many machines. I'm assuming only a few of your machines offer cold rinse with most of them hard wired for warm rinse and either a hot or warm wash. 

 

 

 

[Unimatic1140]

that do only cold rinses hmmmph, as if I have such a thing lol

or have the capability of doing either warm or cold Yes that I can do, which I will try to get to soon.

 

[Chetlaham]

Robert, please, no rush! This can indeed wait. As is I've got some more research to do on the subject.

 

 

 

 

[kenmore71]

Is there such a thing as cold water being "too cold" to be effective at rinsing or at washing with modern detergents?

I know that at one time I saw that most detergent manufacturers considered cold water to be no colder than about room temperature - 65 to 70° farenheit.

Has anyone noticed whether modern detergents rinse out well in really cold water that is 40-50°? Most well water comes out of the ground at around 50° and the cold municipal water in a northern city can sometimes get as cold as 40° in February.

About 10 years ago I monitored the cold water temperature coming into my laundry appliances over the course of a year. This was in Minneapolis, MN. The coldest was 42° in March and the warmest was about 70° in August.

 

[qsd-dan]

I remember reading somewhere that 75F is the lowest recommended temperature for washing and rinsing. I wouldn't go below 80F using powdered detergent.

 

[Chetlaham]

Perhaps we're mostly thinking about the same thing however we all have different interpretations of the word warm and cold? 

 

[pierreandreply4]

if you look at washers 1950 and before washers did not have cold water wash or rinse it was eater hot warm or medium with warm rinse cold water wash and rinse was added later if i compare a vintage washer direct drive included and vintage filter flo ge made viking washer to a modern washer of today even if its optional like turning on fabric sofner extra rinse or prewash presoak (name extra power on modern maytag) they should put a feature to turn on warm rinse if needed

 

[wayupnorth]

My Maytag 511 has hot, warm, cold wash temps. All rinses are cold, unless you set the timer back to wash to fill. In the middle of winter, my well water is frigid cold, so I might set it back to use warm on rinse.

 

[tolivac]

The small print on these posts are hard to read-can they be enlarged like on other threads?

 

[agiflow]

What would you wash on hot wash cold rinse

A very simple everything, I don’t think I’ve ever used any other setting on any washing machine in my life. If you look at recommendations, permanent press is washed on hot water.

And I have never used a warm rinse on a regular basis. They’re simply no reason whatsoever.

No washer manufacturer recommends it no detergent manufacturer recommends it, there is simply no reason for anything but a cold rinse.

It should be there if people want it. If it was there in the past why can't it be there now ?

 

[Chetlaham]

It should be there if people want it. If it was there in the past why can't it be there now ?

Pat, I agree, however I think the major driver are energy regulations being forced onto the public. There used to be a time when warm/warm and hot/warm were the default for most washers. Over time hot/cold, warm/cold, and cold/cold were added to the mix. Eventually mixing valves started to drift from 50/50 to 40/60 and 30/70. Meanwhile in the 90s they started dropping hot/warm and only left warm/warm as an option. Over time warm/warm was dropped. Then manufacturers started to dilute the hot fills no matter how high your water heater was set in the latter 2000s/early 2010s to where warm water once was in temperature. They then started to drop the temperature of warm water even further. Then added a cool setting. Whirlpool came out with cold water wash technology, and now GE offers a cold plus setting.




https://pressroom.geappliances.com/...lean-with-its-new-cold-water-washing-machines


They want people moving away from any hot water used in a cycle.


No thank you. I just put in a 50/50 358277 mixing valve in my Speed Queen and to my surprise the warm setting is just right. You can hold your hand underneath the warm fill and it is neither cool nor painfully warm. It is an ideal warm, much like the one that you would wash your hands with at the sink. I no longer have to switch the machine to hot during the warm fill.

 

[agiflow]

Yes Chet. My 2005 built KitchenAid dumbs down the water temperature for warm also.
Even on rinse it is on the more cold side even without using the "sensor Sure" warm or cold. At least the one option I have for a hot water wash is straight hot.
The 85 Whirlpool supreme only gives you one option for a warm rinse as Hot/Warm and the rinse water is an even mix I'm pretty sure and with the 74 Kenmore 70 there are two options for warm rinse but the warm/ warm seems to be a little cooler on the Kenmore.

 

[Chetlaham]

Consider yourself lucky. Latter Kenmore / Whirlpool / Estate / Roper ect would do a cold rinse with a warm spray when set to warm/warm. Sometimes it was labelled such on the control panel, other times it was not which I always thought was deceptive and misleading on the latter.






What a difference it makes having a 50/50 unrestricted hot and cold, you don't have to wait 8 minutes for the wash basket to fill on the hot setting.

70/30 valves wreck the timed fill concept too. You either have to start agitating with the tub partially full or have to wait 5 minutes before the start of agitation on warm or cold after the pressure switch is satisfied.

Question. Does your 1985 Whirlpool bypass the hot/warm setting on either soak, pre-wash, permanent press of spray rinse? Are the sprays warm or cold on the normal cycle?

 

[agiflow]

Chet is this your current machine ? I just bought this exact model a couple of weeks ago. It's from 1998 or that's when it was built, August 1998. I need to get the tub out of it and get a replacement spin basket. Cosmetically the machine looks pretty good and cleaned up nice. I think this has the dual action Plus agitator in it also.

Edit: I should have looked closer but mine does not have the ultra rinse. Wish it did. The Kenmore 90 serious I purchased back in March of 2003 had that. Was a great machine and I got rid of it because the stupid plug broke off it and got that junk Maytag Bravos X.

 

[maytag85]

There are some benefits to cold rinsing (permanent press/knit etc), but for whatever reason, items fell softer when rinsed in warm water with some fabric softener.

Since I’ll have two TOL sets (My Maytag 806 and Whirlpool Mark 18 set) that allow me to manipulate the controls and options, will be able to curtail and customize the controls for the particular load that’s being washed which will further reduce wear and tear on items not to mention the machine itself.

I think if all machines had the options of a TOL Maytag A806 or Whirlpool Imperial Mark 18, certain types of items would last a long, long time along with reducing electricity consumption a little since the machine isn’t constantly going 90 mph along with being able to utilize the gentle wash with fast spin. I’m sure all owners of Maytag 806’s put the gentle wash with fast spin to use since you could not only reduce fabric wear, but speed up the drying process as well.

 

[DADoES]

Warm water rinsed better for soap back in the day. It's not necessary with synthetic detergents.

 

[agiflow]

Warm water rinsed better for soap back in the day. It's not necessary with synthetic detergents.

Glenn who gets to tell people that though ? You, big brother, EPA, DOE ? That isn't just an opinion... It is quite literally being forced on us. If I want to use a truly 50/50 warm rinse why can't I today ? Point is is that choice should not be taken away and that is exactly what has been happening slowly but surely.

 

[DADoES]

There are always workarounds, such as arranging supply hoses. You can get a 100% HOT rinse that way if you wish.

 

[pierreandreply4]

I remember when this inglis superbII washer was my daily driver from 1993 to 2004 in the final years before it was replace i would run it again no detergent after the first wash to get a warm rinse and remove extra suds from clothes

 

[Chetlaham]

There are always workarounds, such as arranging supply hoses. You can get a 100% HOT rinse that way if you wish.

Do modern machines even let you do that without throwing an error code?

 

[phillymatt53]

I can appreciate all the above posts on this subject!
I love my old 1984 vintage Maytag A482, however it's one of those with a "cold only" rinse provision.
After attempting to locate a schematic for this specific machine, I'm going to inspect the control panel temp switch and associated wiring to see if I can over-ride the cold rinse with an optional warm setting, likely by installing a seperate toggle switch to parallel both water valves to give me a warm rinse option.

On occasion, I've done what member wayupnorth mentioned, by setting the machine to fill on warm wash, then when filled, going back to the rinse setting, and noticed an improvement.
But that takes time, waiting by the machine, so my modicfication is on my to-do list.