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Why Has Whirlpool Never Sold a BOL Power Clean Module?
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Hey guys, this is ridiculous. We don’t need to be talking about the ozone layer when we’re talking about dishwasher performance.
Back to the topic people most certainly did rinse their dishes with power, clean dishwashers, the Reality is any good dishwasher. You do not have to pre-rinse but consumers have a phobia about letting even a few breadcrumbs get in their dishwasher and most or roughly half the people pre-rinse all their dishes going into the dishwasher.
We even have the guy here, the retired tech guy from Philadelphia admitting that he rinses everything off even people who are supposed to be smart. Don’t understand how a dishwasher works.
Chet what did you do today? How many people’s appliances did you work with? Are you working at a store selling appliances? Are you working for a company that repairs appliances or are you even on an Are you working for a company that repairs appliances or are you even on an online source where you’re helping advise people with problems and talking to them about their problemsWhat are you doing to be able to spew out all this information that you have no experience with?
Just sitting there reading stuff on the Internet and spewing it back out in your own twisted way does not make you an authority on anything, yes, you were interested in appliances that’s obvious and that’s good but you really need to get some real world experience not just your limited experience at your home with a couple appliances that you’ve had in your lifetime
John L
Back to the topic people most certainly did rinse their dishes with power, clean dishwashers, the Reality is any good dishwasher. You do not have to pre-rinse but consumers have a phobia about letting even a few breadcrumbs get in their dishwasher and most or roughly half the people pre-rinse all their dishes going into the dishwasher.
We even have the guy here, the retired tech guy from Philadelphia admitting that he rinses everything off even people who are supposed to be smart. Don’t understand how a dishwasher works.
Chet what did you do today? How many people’s appliances did you work with? Are you working at a store selling appliances? Are you working for a company that repairs appliances or are you even on an Are you working for a company that repairs appliances or are you even on an online source where you’re helping advise people with problems and talking to them about their problemsWhat are you doing to be able to spew out all this information that you have no experience with?
Just sitting there reading stuff on the Internet and spewing it back out in your own twisted way does not make you an authority on anything, yes, you were interested in appliances that’s obvious and that’s good but you really need to get some real world experience not just your limited experience at your home with a couple appliances that you’ve had in your lifetime
John L
I do know that the Ultrawash versions of Kenmore dishwashers were made by Whirlpool starting around 1985. Maybe Whirlpool felt no need to make low priced machine because Sears had D&M lower priced dishwashers. Later low priced Kenmores were made by GE
It is a huge shame because D&M and most GE forced pre-rinsing.
Whirlpool PC would have saved a lot of water, energy, detergent, and domestic conflicts- however the PC would still have been slightly more expensive that a GE to build, so, the GE won out in the economy market.
CFC are but one of many perfect examples of how the government diverts blame onto civilians while simultaneously exempting themselves from the very laws they enforce. And the commercial sector is rather shielded with their phosphate detergents and 5 gallon flush toilets. The only persons forced to endure abstractions that everyone knows are fundamentally impossible to execute in reality are consumers.
Right, because truth be every dishwasher before the Power Clean and high end Jet Cleans were and are incapable of washing dishes.
All dishwashers had one or more of the following deficits:
1) insufficient hot water - ie Maytag sold dishwashers without heaters into the early 80s, and many that did have heater did not run them in the main wash.
2) poor water distribution- many impeller machines, Magic Chefs, Frigidaires, Hotpoint, those Hobart Kitchen-Aids that did not have a tower or an upper arm.
3) Short main wash times- this true of nearly every vintage dishwashers- ie Hobert Kitchen Aids with only about 12 minutes.
4) no maceration- Dura Wash, GE after the steal wire that broke off on nearly every single machine.
5) No fine filtration- D&M, most GEs, Dura Wash, WCI, ect.
6) poor water volume and/or pressure- many latter Frigidaires
Consumers quickly discovered that any food left on plates/utensils cemented themselves at the end of cycle, being nearly impossible to wash off. Or in the case of number 5 a single crumb entering the machine resulted in tiny yibbles distributed all over everything.
So consumers developed a habit in response, and once a habit sets in it is very difficult to break. I hate giving credence to the science of behaviorism on the basis of how it has been severely misapplied to legal justice and such (punishment not equal to rehabilitation), however this is one case where a person can successfully argue that a behavior was altered on the basis of a following outcome, and once that behavior is reinforced it continues even after the original antecedent is removed.
Person puts dirty dishes in dishwasher expecting clean dishes.
Dishes come out dirty, person feels unpleasant emotions- anger, work, upset, disgust.
Person pre-rinses dishes in hopes of dishes coming out clean.
Dishes come out clean, person now feels pleasant emotions- happy, relieved, desired outcome achieved.
Person pre-rinses every load.
Old machine goes kaput years latter- person buys new Whirlpool Power Clean Filter Module where dishes will come out clean even without pre-rinsing.
Person continues to pre-rinse dishes out of neural habbit and unhappy memories of old dishwasher.
Hate to use the analogy, however fits the description of operant conditioning.
Or they are smart enough to know their machine's limitation.
That would be called an analytical inference on my part, one based on comprehension and not internet anecdotes that just happen to compliment my stance.
However, your text, in translation: You want to invalidate consumers creating an information monopoly whereby people only give credence to you (and the industry you work for) and not their own observations or own evidence based reasoning.
You want to think for people, you don't want people to think for themselves.
I've used enough dishwashers to know which ones work, and which ones don't. I also have the knowledge, research, and thinking skills to reach my own conclusions. No matter how much you want to gaslight my lived experiences or my critical thinking skills because they don't fit your narrative of new appliance = better.
John, your own professional observations vindicate my stance. All one has to do is read in-between the lines.
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vacerator
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No they don't. The EPA and some states are now requiring sump pump backflow valves to stop contaminated water from leeching into the ground water table for dwellings and buildings close to lakes, rivers and streams. Just one example. If a sump pump floods a basement, sewage water can mix with the sump water.
Is there specific text or reply you're referring to?
If you mean reply #105 just do some research on how many times the government exempts itself from its own laws and regulations. Yes they've had some good ideas like limiting heavy metals in toys, ground water, the air ect however there are plenty of laws (like appliance water and energy regulations) that are nothing more than government overreach.
I don’t think this matters.
It was a problem, and the Montreal Protocol put an end to them being used by all entities.
There are now better options.
Wow…. You really think of yourself as the Noam Chomsky of appliances huh?
phillymatt53
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Exactly.
And the government is the leading cause of a lot of the ills that society has been forced to endure.
In simple terms, people have been made "nuts" over a lot of stuff.
Two "nuts", a true story.... read on.
I smoke cigarettes, Pall Mall Blue. (lights)
I don't bother anybody, I'm pretty considerate, however I know some people don't like the smell.
Standing on a corner one day to wait for the green light to cross the busy traffic street, a woman with a baby coach confronted me.
She blasted me for smoking on the corner, saying that she had a child in the coach.
Mind you, she was about 10 feet away from where I stood.
I responded to her...... "Well, that"s all nice and stuff, but what about the exhaust fumes from the busses, tractor trailers and cars going by, don't you want to yell at them too?"
Nut number two:
I was in the Walgreens going through the greeting cards, to find a card for my sister's birthday.
The store had maybe 5 or 6 customers in it, and it was a hot day outside.
This was during the early Covid days, when people were required/mandated to wear them in stores, etc.
Standing near nobody in the isle, I pulled my mask down below my nose in order to breathe better the cool airconditioned air.
All of a sudden, an old hag 20+ feet down the isle started yelling at me, saying "Hey you!... you're mask is hanging low!
I replied: "Yeah, and my nuts are hanging low too and they can't breath either!"
Both of these nutcases shut right up.
I blame the government for making people like this.
More I think he is a bored engineer who likes appliances like we do but does not get enough fiber in his diet.
Always remember: My friends knew me before Metamucil, they prefer me after.
I don't view myself as any public figure. I'm not speaking my mind out of ego. Thinking ego has something to do with it is people' greatest mistake in life.
I am speaking my mind as a citizen in a democracy on an issue which effects everybody living within it.
Participating in a democracy does not make one egotistical. Exercising rights does not make one egotistical.
The concept of ego is often stretched out to justify teaching people that their validity is not of importance, that their opinions are not of any value, that their perceptions are delusions and their inferences are not born out of intelligence, that their rights are just them seeking special treatment. Other wise known as: protracted self-doubt. Insecure, unsure and apprehensive people are more likely to blindly listen to those in power when they have been falsely convinced to think they know little and will never be able to understand no matter how hard they apply themselves.
Just look at this thread, it is a very small microcosm.
Even a seasoned repair tech is admitting to the number of consumers using the 1 hour cycle.
Thanks for validating my assumption.
Which is...?
Indeed. And with government also running education you get the most anti freedom, my business is your business type people on earth. The US education system is built upon a once size fits all curriculum with full B.F.Skinner compliance techniques. The same guy, whom among many other dangerous things championed for eradication of freedom and dignity while advocating for population reduction. His words, not mine. Imagine freedom and dignity giving your wealth, tenure, livelihood and fame only to then advocate for doing away with they very thing that brought you success.
But it worked, people believe freedom and dignity are old fashioned never having been of any significant utility.
Oh, I could talk about that. Just look at this thread. I am being indirectly called mildly delusional, mildly grandiose and midly narcissistic. You got called mildly dumb- "supposed to be smart".
Reminds my of the soviet union as detailed in history. People who openly stated that the USSR would collapse, that the USSR could not fundamentally sustain itself, that the USSR was holding back weath, ect were labelled and involuntarily institutionalized. For stating what was true and known since the inception of the USSR.
Glad you exist Phillymat, glad you see it.
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