Seal replacement pic 1
Here is some stuff I scanned that may help.
Here is some stuff I scanned that may help.
1-18 rebuild in Ohio, 1975 Frigidaire WCD
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Seal replacement pic 2
page 2
page 2
Exploded tub assembly pic
for reference
for reference
Agitator and bellows assembly
for visual reference (pic of bleach dispenser)
for visual reference (pic of bleach dispenser)
fltcoils
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Spring idea
For the springs you might try a throttle return spring.
I was at the car parts store (advance auto) and saw a number of "help" kits with such. I suspect one of these is a close match to these small springs for spring rate.
The rotary seal is a face seal, so you want the nice flat face installed out from the basket so it can mate with the other side on the tub.
For the springs you might try a throttle return spring.
I was at the car parts store (advance auto) and saw a number of "help" kits with such. I suspect one of these is a close match to these small springs for spring rate.
The rotary seal is a face seal, so you want the nice flat face installed out from the basket so it can mate with the other side on the tub.
1-18
Well today I got 2 loads of clothes through, what a powerful machine! 1st time, no hot water, so I checked continuity and none on the hot solenoid, though I was getting 117 volts when the temp dial called for hot. I was able to swap the solenoid with a leftover from a Whirlpool, now I have hot-warm-cold, all is well there. There is still a significant tub leak while filling, as soon as it gets to the level of the seal, but it almost entirely stops during agitation and spin. I have temporarily tied a hose to the overflow plastic tray that keeps drips away from the tranny and motor, and runs out the front of the machine(no front on it yet, too much to watch and check.) I believe I will need a new flange/tub support for the inner tub, and a new seal for that, but the spring seal from the 8-hole base of the exterior tub seems fine.
Another leak is at the start of spin, from right undert he plastic tub top, that old gasket looked pretty settled in place and cheap, I will find some peel-and-press foam like for windows before I tear her down again, I bet new stuff would solve that minor leak problem.
It sure does have some really exact needs for water level and great turnover, less water seems best, I have a learning curve for sure. I like how the spin starts on low speed and gets most of the water out before switching to high gear, and the ring of spray is fantastic and timed right, I like the rinsing on this machine very much. Seems much more effective than spray rinsing through one port, like all my others.
I haven't yet bothered with the softener dispenser, next time.
The springs are still not perfect, with a heavy load the tub wants to go left, but I just need to swap around from a variety I have found until it stays better in place. I appreciate the pictures from above with spring PN's, but lots of trouble finding this WCD model on any web parts stores. I think I am about 85% ok with these springs, a tiny bit more time swapping and washing.
The agitate and spin take a bit of time to get to full speed, maybe 15 seconds. Is this just because it switched from agi to spin and vice versa, or dirt and grease on rollers, belt too tight? It always gets up to speed, relatively quickly, I'm not sure if this is good or bad news on the slow start.
Between the water action and tranny, NOISY WOW. Also fun.
I just couldn't wait to see it work, had to put it back together even with that leak to find out what else it needed, so hopefully only one more teardown. I have become a pro on the bellows installation and removal, have my perfect homemade clamp, works first time every time.
The filter and rail should be on my front porch tomorrow or Tuesday.
I very much appreciate Bill Fitcoils and Patrick PDUB on advice and emailed diagrams and info, it's great. And anyone else I've missed. I am not done yet, check back for more questions, but so far this is looking like a great and fun leaky wonder!
Well today I got 2 loads of clothes through, what a powerful machine! 1st time, no hot water, so I checked continuity and none on the hot solenoid, though I was getting 117 volts when the temp dial called for hot. I was able to swap the solenoid with a leftover from a Whirlpool, now I have hot-warm-cold, all is well there. There is still a significant tub leak while filling, as soon as it gets to the level of the seal, but it almost entirely stops during agitation and spin. I have temporarily tied a hose to the overflow plastic tray that keeps drips away from the tranny and motor, and runs out the front of the machine(no front on it yet, too much to watch and check.) I believe I will need a new flange/tub support for the inner tub, and a new seal for that, but the spring seal from the 8-hole base of the exterior tub seems fine.
Another leak is at the start of spin, from right undert he plastic tub top, that old gasket looked pretty settled in place and cheap, I will find some peel-and-press foam like for windows before I tear her down again, I bet new stuff would solve that minor leak problem.
It sure does have some really exact needs for water level and great turnover, less water seems best, I have a learning curve for sure. I like how the spin starts on low speed and gets most of the water out before switching to high gear, and the ring of spray is fantastic and timed right, I like the rinsing on this machine very much. Seems much more effective than spray rinsing through one port, like all my others.
I haven't yet bothered with the softener dispenser, next time.
The springs are still not perfect, with a heavy load the tub wants to go left, but I just need to swap around from a variety I have found until it stays better in place. I appreciate the pictures from above with spring PN's, but lots of trouble finding this WCD model on any web parts stores. I think I am about 85% ok with these springs, a tiny bit more time swapping and washing.
The agitate and spin take a bit of time to get to full speed, maybe 15 seconds. Is this just because it switched from agi to spin and vice versa, or dirt and grease on rollers, belt too tight? It always gets up to speed, relatively quickly, I'm not sure if this is good or bad news on the slow start.
Between the water action and tranny, NOISY WOW. Also fun.
I just couldn't wait to see it work, had to put it back together even with that leak to find out what else it needed, so hopefully only one more teardown. I have become a pro on the bellows installation and removal, have my perfect homemade clamp, works first time every time.
The filter and rail should be on my front porch tomorrow or Tuesday.
I very much appreciate Bill Fitcoils and Patrick PDUB on advice and emailed diagrams and info, it's great. And anyone else I've missed. I am not done yet, check back for more questions, but so far this is looking like a great and fun leaky wonder!
some pictures
Here she is running with the fabric softener dispenser in place. I'll fix the dent in the dashboard as a final bit of work.
Here she is running with the fabric softener dispenser in place. I'll fix the dent in the dashboard as a final bit of work.
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and here's the dispenser during rinse fill, empty except for a bit of froth. I did check before the spin, it was still full after that popping up and down, I guess they built it right. It was all bubbles, of course. But this machine does a final spray, fortunately only 12 seconds or so, after the final rinse, so some of the softener is just down the drain, like a WP/KM.
and here's the dispenser during rinse fill, empty except for a bit of froth. I did check before the spin, it was still full after that popping up and down, I guess they built it right. It was all bubbles, of course. But this machine does a final spray, fortunately only 12 seconds or so, after the final rinse, so some of the softener is just down the drain, like a WP/KM.
1-18 springs
One notch stronger/thicker on the spring the tub kept crawling away from, and now it does full loads on hi speed spin and stay well centered.
I tried a Perm-Press cycle, like most other brands, rarely useful to me.
This thing doesn't have a brake after spinning, does it? Long slowdown to stop.
Now done with 5 loads, leak is during fill, not during agitation or spin. And this is with the front off to watch everything, there's no pump leak, hose leak, solenoid leak at all, it's that darn center tub seal stuff.
But, overall very impressed, I'm getting better at less water for greater turnover, and while suds are fun to watch and all get out in that excellent rinse, I think this is mostly a "HE" detergent machine. And the rinsing is great, I can only rarely imagine the need for a second rinse.
Well Done, Frigidaire!
One notch stronger/thicker on the spring the tub kept crawling away from, and now it does full loads on hi speed spin and stay well centered.
I tried a Perm-Press cycle, like most other brands, rarely useful to me.
This thing doesn't have a brake after spinning, does it? Long slowdown to stop.
Now done with 5 loads, leak is during fill, not during agitation or spin. And this is with the front off to watch everything, there's no pump leak, hose leak, solenoid leak at all, it's that darn center tub seal stuff.
But, overall very impressed, I'm getting better at less water for greater turnover, and while suds are fun to watch and all get out in that excellent rinse, I think this is mostly a "HE" detergent machine. And the rinsing is great, I can only rarely imagine the need for a second rinse.
Well Done, Frigidaire!
philr
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These 1-18 washers are fascinating. I really like watching and hearing mine while it washes. The only thing I don't like much about them is their lint filter! (I have hard water, that doesn't help cleaning the lint filter). At least, I found a way to make it hold better without having to replace the rail!
About the tub brake, mine didn't work at first but after repeated uses, it began to work better. Now, it stops every time (but not as quickly as in my GMini washer). When I bought my washer, I tested quite a few Frigidaire Rollermatics and 1-18 and none of them had a working tub brake.
I didn't bother filling and testing the agitation on mine before I bought it but when I arrived home, I discovered that it was leak free and it wasn't noisy during the agitation like the two Rollermatics I had tried with no water (unlike the 1-18, these were time filled). I still had to soften the surface of the agitate roller as it had flat spots. I got a brand new replacement one but the old one is ok so I decided not to replace it.
About the tub brake, mine didn't work at first but after repeated uses, it began to work better. Now, it stops every time (but not as quickly as in my GMini washer). When I bought my washer, I tested quite a few Frigidaire Rollermatics and 1-18 and none of them had a working tub brake.
I didn't bother filling and testing the agitation on mine before I bought it but when I arrived home, I discovered that it was leak free and it wasn't noisy during the agitation like the two Rollermatics I had tried with no water (unlike the 1-18, these were time filled). I still had to soften the surface of the agitate roller as it had flat spots. I got a brand new replacement one but the old one is ok so I decided not to replace it.
Slow start to agitate or spin......
...seems to have resolved itself by about the third load, maybe motor/belt/rotors just needed to get used to running again, this has barely been used in months.
This thing does NOT have any tub brake working AT ALL. If it doesn't hurt anything to run like this, I'm not dumb enough to stick my arm in while running.
The new spring solved ALL the balance and off-kilter isues, even with a full load. The spin is listed as 650, just above GE FilterFlo and old Center dial Maytags, but it looks a lot faster and clothes seem dryer as far as I can tell.
There seems to be an art to exact fill and correct turnover, other than that I am impressed and happy, my late Mom had one of these in 73 til we moved in 79, and we always closed the laundry room door when running it to keep the noise to a dull roar.
Phil----I have both a new rail and filter coming via UPS, but please explain your trick for no new rail--
Thanks
Mark
...seems to have resolved itself by about the third load, maybe motor/belt/rotors just needed to get used to running again, this has barely been used in months.
This thing does NOT have any tub brake working AT ALL. If it doesn't hurt anything to run like this, I'm not dumb enough to stick my arm in while running.
The new spring solved ALL the balance and off-kilter isues, even with a full load. The spin is listed as 650, just above GE FilterFlo and old Center dial Maytags, but it looks a lot faster and clothes seem dryer as far as I can tell.
There seems to be an art to exact fill and correct turnover, other than that I am impressed and happy, my late Mom had one of these in 73 til we moved in 79, and we always closed the laundry room door when running it to keep the noise to a dull roar.
Phil----I have both a new rail and filter coming via UPS, but please explain your trick for no new rail--
Thanks
Mark
philr
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I used a springy piece of stainless which was mounted between the calipers and brake pads on a friend's Toyota. He didn't keep them after a brake job he did in my garage so I found them and I cut one to fit under the plastic tab so it pushes up on it. Now, you have to press quite hard on the tab to remove the filter and there's no way it could come off by itself!
If you jump to 6:25, you'll see/hear a 1-18 brake properly engaging.
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fltcoils
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A few of my posts on this machine from last summer show the brake parts in the clutch assy. I had the brake on this adjusted and working as of july/august.
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1-18 Clutch
Is there a clutch inside the roller for spin........I have a feeling there is and it should be allowing it to slip during ramp up of the spin, if true, then I know where to investigate as to why mine is locked solid, or corroded.... thanks for your input
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Bill---you are correct
Bill---the last page right above--says to hold the tub in place for the first minute of 2 spin cycles to burnish or burn in the brake----entirely correct, it now stops in about 7 seconds, many thanks.
This machine is AMAZING!! Incredible turnover, fantastic rinses---both spray and deep rinse----steady spin when fully loaded. Maybe a slight water hog with that long spray, but since it really does 18 pounds and they are clean and rinsed clear, I think it's worth it for sure. And my various springs worked well, but I surely do have to exactly level it with those nylon legs, it's one active machine.
Ancient memory from 73 to 79 with Mom's green 1-18, the only difference I recall is that her water level switch showed a diagram of the agitator, other than that no difference I can recall, so I am very nostalgically happy with this workhorse. With 7 kids in the house, Mom would have told Dad to buy the BIGGEST 2 speed available and she would not have cared about any frills or extras.
Bill--thanks again and you didn't know what a gem you had! And tell Kenny Goatfarmer he did a great job in saving this from a crusher at Menards.
I'll run it about 3 more weeks until my Whirlpool gets returned from the theatre, then another teardown to finalize everything:
1)Another attempt at that bottom seal(about 3 cups of water lost during fill only, and ALL caught by my jerry-rigged hose and led out of the machine neatly. Frankly, with my deep sump floor drain about 8 inches away, it won't be the end of usage if the leak is beyond my ability)
2) Got the filter via Ebay, but the rail is 2 weeks out on backorder. The fabric softener dispenser is great.
3) I found 2 wire retainer clips after re-assembly(oops)
4) Cover gasket(she leaks at top rim at start of spin---maybe press-seal foam and some epoxy when I'm pretty damn sure it's the last teardown)
5) Kickplates of stainless steel or aluminum around bottom 3 inches( I totally ridded her of rust, then 2 coats of Rustoleum and 2 topcoats of Krylon already done)
6) Small dent in the console aluminum, I should be able to gently pry it back in better shape
On all of my other automatics, I have wired in a "timer kill" switch. On the Filter-Flo, I kill the timer to allow more spin prior to spray, letting it get up to speed. On the Maytag, more deep rinse time. On the Whirlpool, more spray time. This may be the first machine where I am quite impressed enough by its own exact timer operation that I do not put in that kill switch.
Except for my 1959 RCA Whirlpool Imperial "MARK" XII, with my name in lights and from the year of my birth, this is rapidly becoming my favorite of 7 machines. It's already the loudest.
Does anyone know how rare or "findable" the bleach dispenser is? Does it dispense by just "bouncing" the bleach out during agitation?
Thanks
Mark
Bill---the last page right above--says to hold the tub in place for the first minute of 2 spin cycles to burnish or burn in the brake----entirely correct, it now stops in about 7 seconds, many thanks.
This machine is AMAZING!! Incredible turnover, fantastic rinses---both spray and deep rinse----steady spin when fully loaded. Maybe a slight water hog with that long spray, but since it really does 18 pounds and they are clean and rinsed clear, I think it's worth it for sure. And my various springs worked well, but I surely do have to exactly level it with those nylon legs, it's one active machine.
Ancient memory from 73 to 79 with Mom's green 1-18, the only difference I recall is that her water level switch showed a diagram of the agitator, other than that no difference I can recall, so I am very nostalgically happy with this workhorse. With 7 kids in the house, Mom would have told Dad to buy the BIGGEST 2 speed available and she would not have cared about any frills or extras.
Bill--thanks again and you didn't know what a gem you had! And tell Kenny Goatfarmer he did a great job in saving this from a crusher at Menards.
I'll run it about 3 more weeks until my Whirlpool gets returned from the theatre, then another teardown to finalize everything:
1)Another attempt at that bottom seal(about 3 cups of water lost during fill only, and ALL caught by my jerry-rigged hose and led out of the machine neatly. Frankly, with my deep sump floor drain about 8 inches away, it won't be the end of usage if the leak is beyond my ability)
2) Got the filter via Ebay, but the rail is 2 weeks out on backorder. The fabric softener dispenser is great.
3) I found 2 wire retainer clips after re-assembly(oops)
4) Cover gasket(she leaks at top rim at start of spin---maybe press-seal foam and some epoxy when I'm pretty damn sure it's the last teardown)
5) Kickplates of stainless steel or aluminum around bottom 3 inches( I totally ridded her of rust, then 2 coats of Rustoleum and 2 topcoats of Krylon already done)
6) Small dent in the console aluminum, I should be able to gently pry it back in better shape
On all of my other automatics, I have wired in a "timer kill" switch. On the Filter-Flo, I kill the timer to allow more spin prior to spray, letting it get up to speed. On the Maytag, more deep rinse time. On the Whirlpool, more spray time. This may be the first machine where I am quite impressed enough by its own exact timer operation that I do not put in that kill switch.
Except for my 1959 RCA Whirlpool Imperial "MARK" XII, with my name in lights and from the year of my birth, this is rapidly becoming my favorite of 7 machines. It's already the loudest.
Does anyone know how rare or "findable" the bleach dispenser is? Does it dispense by just "bouncing" the bleach out during agitation?
Thanks
Mark
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