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Do I need to do this again?

Rex,

 

In a word, no.

 

In a few more....

 

It ultimately depends on what the USER decides to do with the time between starting the cycle and it finishing....I don't have an issue with either the washing machine or dishwasher being run and me being out or asleep (they often come on at 5am...)

 

....and as for a flood, ok...drip, I had that last week regardless of if I was home or not because the hose connection (tap end) of the dishwasher was leaking unbeknowns to me....for 3 days in the cupboard....

 

As for fires, well, nobody mentioned a dryer anywhere else in the posts....well the ones that made sense anyway.
 
"Isn't a new machine that takes 2hrs to do aload of

Many people may think it is if they have no overiders and manual selections on the machines!!, Many of the people complaining have entry level and mid-point machines that have time/temp/spinspeed all programmed on one fixed programme, no over-rides so to them its a Faff when you want a 40 min vigerous wash, 3 rinses and a fast spin...

BUT there are still many machines out there that you can determine your own choices...also depends on how good the balancing is on the machines as well..

Darren, the latest fad will be "Line Washing & Drying" peg them on the line spray with A Febreeze type solution, Hose Rinse & SunshineDry" ...LOl

David - "Nuttin To Do Wiv Me Gov - Honest"...interesting debate, this one will run & run I'm sure...The RH 12 min will not be A rated on the 12 min programme thats only given to a dedicated 60d cotton programme under test lab conditions...hope you are all settled and looking forward to seeing the lines of laundry - heres your fave!!!

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Spin Tolerences!!

Louis, interesting point, I hadnt seen that mentioned before and I wonder if it only does a "Fling Spin" up to 1200 for a few nano seconds, will the tolerance be 59% nearly 60??

Will have to delve into that one, I'm sure we will find someone who knows someone who has bought one!!!

Like we all know its how long it spins as well, My Dads Servis Quartz spins a 1000 for 6 mins continuous whereas the Fagor Im using spins for 1200 for a few mins and the Quarts clothes feel dryer!!! Mind NOTHING beats the 1600rpm from the V-Zug, they are MAX DRY...

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another option is that if you have a load in the washer or dishwasher if you have to leave you can always pause the washer if you have an electronic control board Front loader or push the timer knob front load or topload with a timer knob like this depending on the type of front load washer or topload you have and restart the machine when you return it won't lose anything its like your soaking your clothe while your gone that something i use to do with my old topload that i can't do anymore with my fl or if i have a wash load to do and know i have to leave if you have a delay function on your washer just program the delay for a 5 hour delay or 2 hour delay start depending on the time you are gone. the same go for dishwashers with mecanical timers you can always unlock the dish washer with stops it and restart it when you return.

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1hr plus washcycle fits with modern life IMO

Think about it, shove load in - turn machine on. Go chill out on sofa with big mug of coffee and a movie you have been waiting to see from whatever ondemand service you subscribe to and by the time the film finishes the load is done

How much time out of your life has the washing actually taken?
 
I used to use a new dishwasher that took 2 hrs for a load-now I use an older KA dishwasher thats takes HALF the time and does a BETTER job-so what if it uses more water or power.Again I am the one paying for it.I will not buy a washer that takes 2 hrs to do the loads when I have 3 that take only 45Min.Yes, they are water hog TL machines.I just can't get to paying twice,three or four times as much money for a machine that takes more time to do its job and will NEVER pay for themselves in water,power use.So,I will buy old TL machines from the swap and thrift shops as long as I can.I don't like the risk of letting a dishwasher,washer,or dryer work while I am not home or asleep.I have seen too many flooded homes and burnt ones from others I know of that did it.and at an apartment building I lived in-they had SEVERAL dryer fires there-the fire dept visited the place regularly to put them out.
 
Regardless of who pays the bill and an individuals belief in 'my right to do as I please', we all have a responcibility to the environment...

Interestingly, water efficient machines sold here don't focus on savings = dollars. For us, the savings = water...something we have a constant battle with in various parts of the country...which for us is far better to 'do our bit' for the greater good than for a negligible, if present, financial gain...

It seems to be a major difference between many Americans and many Australians....whilst we care about our back pocket and our freedom to pretty much do as we please, we appear to be far more flexible and accepting that there are times when the big picture view is more important. Water is one of those times especially if parents or grandparents were from the country...
 
i thik it rubbish u cannont get clothes clean in that time i would admit i would like them clean in that time my hotpoints fastest wash is 30 mins and that consists of 1wash, 2 rinses and one spin at 800rpm i do use it for my nephews clothes sometimes and the bathmats every weekend but thats about it i like a middleish time wash..

so i use synthetics 30 with timesaver not bad..
 
MIke's vid and a 10 minute wash

Love the open door. A while back one of your mates had out a vid where he loaded the machine after it had filled and began tumbling. Always thought the Keymatic couldn't hold much laundry. Was surprised to see how many towels he worked in there all tumbling freely just like your load.

 

As I watched your Hoove, all tranced out by the open door, it came to me that the tumbling pattern is very much like that of the Hoover twin tub, only slower. Continuity.

 

Nice to see all that steam. We are catching up with heated cycles over here.

 

When I need something fast, I use the Unimatic at overflow wash-- 2 minutes, a little more if needed; spin, about a half minute @1140; overflow rinse 2 minutes; spin 5 minutes. The overflow provides water and agitation at the same time, while the gentle fin won't damage clothing at any water level no matter how low. With this method the tub fills half way up, with a powerful concentration of detergent at the beginning when the "washing liquors" are so very low.

 

This is for laundry emergencies, never a "real" load. As for this 12 minute stuff, the world has become obsessed with speed, instant gratification, faster, faster, faster. I tell ya it's crazy, Man!
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The enviornment is fine-but having so called energy and water saving machines rammed down our throats is NOT the answer to protecting the enviornment.most of these machines are so overpriced they are not worth buying.Again,for me and some other people its economics-the savings just isn't there.and will the machine last only 5-7 yrs-if so you are doing a DISSERVICE to the grand ol earth-the machine ends up in a landfill.the old vintage well made KN-WP tl washer keeps going.I don't like it when other make it their business to fret over what water and electricity I or they use.A neighbor next to me has a FL washer-but he poors thousands of gallons of water on his lawn.Just an observation.He pays his water bill so I don't worry about what water he uses.How many regular TL washer loads would that amount to and how many FL washer loads?I think the customer should be the one making the choices-not the Govt.And think of the budget savings if these measures implemented by Gov't was eliminated.the customers are aware of water and power use.Let them decide.Water in my area is the lowest cost utility.I don't waste it-but don't fret over it either.Nor do I poor thousands of gallons of it on my lawn.thats what rain is for.and for enviornment concious-watering lawns and gardens can cause runoff pollution.this stuff eventually goes into the rivers,lakes and even oceans.
 
Live in an area where water is effectively rationed by compulsory water restrictions on non-essential use, as most Australians have done over the past 10years and you'll understand where I'm coming from.

 

Goulburn, a town with a population of 20,000 about 60 miles from here, was so drought stricken that they were restricted to a maximum of about 40 US Gallons per day, per person.

 

That had to cover ALL:

 

- showering/bathing

- internal house cleaning (bathrooms etc)

- toilet usage

- cooking

- washing

- dishes....

 

....and heaven forbid if you were caught washing a car, hosing a path or using a hose to water a garden - fines were issued. Things were desperate and people installed water tanks and had water tankered in at substantial cost.

 

Gardens died....unless people saved their rinse water from their washer or, as is quite common here when water is not, had a bucket in the shower to catch what they could to keep plants going....

 

Canberra, the national capital with a population of 300,000, was until very recently on water restrictions...and we had been for over 6 years

 

Water conservation goes beyond 'What's in it for me'....and takes on a much bigger picture. As I said above, when you know people who are affected by water shortages, and every person in this country does, you do what you can to avoid potential waste even if it may not help them directly...but it may help yourself in the future....

 

Canberra is now at 100% dam capacity, but sales of front load machines havn't slowed at all according to one source of mine, but are still increasing...and we can still buy a traditional, water hungry top loader too should we desire it - but the vast majority don't....

 

It is unfortunate that Americans are being fed machines which are expensive and have not got the mechanical longevity to justify the price. I can buy a perfectly good (Euromaid - Beko made from Turkey) 7kg (17lb) machine for less than $550...which sounds expensive, but then factor in our average annual salary of USD$64000, it suddenly looks cheap....a Bosch can be had for about $750-800....but an American Whirlpool is closer to $1200!

 

Nobody in this country has said 'No, you can't have it'. What is said implied is 'Fine, have it. But use it contientiously and not be wasteful'
 
I can buy a perfectly good (Euromaid - Beko made from Turke

Yes, you can, that is true. As long as you are aware that you are purchasing $550 worth of disposable junk that is of little economic and environmental value.
 
I am surprised at the

2 hour wash in the Miele! What is it doing?? My enzyme supplier is based in Europe, he tells me enzymes work at peak for around 20 maybe 30 minutes so if that is the case then why does Miele have a 1 hour bio cycle?? Is there heating going on at the last 30 minutes?

 

Yes Mike nice Ariel box and wow what a thread!!

20 minute wash forever!

 
 
Well, it's not only the Miele but also my Candy and Whirlpool don't start heating water right away, in the very long cottons 60°C the first 20-30 minutes of the wash are in cold water!
 
For those of you in water scarce areas-can understand.In my area the water is plentiful-but again I don't waste it or use it unnessceraly.My water bill averages about $31 per month.the sales of FL washers in my area is slow.Stores have plenty of them-but they go on sale after awhile becuse they don't move here.I don't live in a real high income area.I have read too many horror stories on this site on FL washers and the returns in the stores here.The spider problems also have me concerned that the washer will become landfill bait long before its time.So I am holding off buying any FL washers-and their electronic timers and control baords have me worried from the frequent lightening storms here-you would have to unplug the machine when not in use.so I stick to vintage TL machines as long as I can get them-may have to stock up-whenever I find a BD WP-KN machine-buy it and store it.
 
2 Hour washing in a Miele

I have a Miele washer about 6 1/2 years old, cold fill only - which suits me as I do not have an instant or gas water heater.

All the cotton cycles (5kg & 95c - 30c) have a default 1hr 46min time cycle, although the machine often reduces this when is senses a lighter load.

The minimum iron cycles (3kg 60c - 30c) all default to 1r 16 min cycle time, I dont think I have ever seen the machine reduce the cycle time but then, living on my own, 3kg is perhaps more achievable that 5kg

There is a quick wash cycle at 40c and 35 minutes, but I never use that - along with a "short" option button that I dont use either.

Like Matt I ofen run the machine at night and usually add the soak option which is supposed to be a more eco friendly version of a pre-wash - as it does not involve two fills and two lots of detergent. Basically the machine fills as normal and just tumbles every so often for two hours before the cycle starts as normal. I must confess that the main reason I use it is to delay the more expensive part of the programme (heating the water) until after my cheaper night tarrif electricity cuts in. I set the rinse hold to prevent the last spin until after I am wake so the clothes dont get too creased.

I really dont not see what all the fuss about these short cycles is about - I am definatly in the "its all marketing hype" camp. Surely the whole point about an AUTOMATIC machine is that you can walk away and leave it, coming back when it suits you - its not like the machine is going to nag you when you get back? Or is it?. I note my normal routine above, but last weekend I was not quite so well corganised and did not start my laundry until after I woke up Saturday morning. Sorted the laundry bin into whites & coloureds, got the sheets & duvet cover off the bed, and into the machine. Detergent in, started up, no soak. Grabbed a coffee and a danish (OK two danish, it was the weekend!) and then over to the computer to check emails, ebay, AW.org, vacuumland and a couple of others not for this forum - the machine was finished before I was! 1hr 46min to be precise.

So, to use a different bit of marketing hype "WASHDAY? JUST FORGET IT!"

Clothes are cheaper now than they ever were and even I, who am most definatly not a fashion victim, always has clean clothes in my wardrobe, drawers (including clean drawers!) and airing cupboard (hotpress!). I think it would take me about three weeks before I would actually run out of clothes, but I choose to do a weekly wash (I did consider 2 weekly when the "how much will a FL washer hold) as I dont care to have dirty laundry about for so long. So why the rush to do the washing, especially if tumble drying?

As I often line dry when I can the longer cycles are helpful as it gives time (on a good day) for somethings to be ironing dry which can then be removed to make space for others.

And for those who feel they must be tied to their washing machine, THROUGH 12 minute wash (or is that tangling - duck & run) cycles from start of end are nothing new at all, just needs a bit of 1957 technology as demonstrated on the link.

Al

 
Quick washes on the latest machine are not really that good.

I know someone with a Bush machine from Argos that has a quick wash for 30 mins does that at 30 degrees only with no option to change the temp. The wash is not very good.

My AEG from 2002 has a quick wash that is 60 mins - Not exactly quick. But can wash the clothes at any temp and the clothes come out clean.
 
I see this thread has been resurrected...

I was looking at the comments to this article, I just LOVE this one!!!

"I save so much on my machine, it takes 8lb and is electronic with electric drive [LG]. I fill it up with clothes, then put a chicken or even a turkey in a boil in the bag in the machine - it will also do fish etc, set the time on the 30 minutes and let it run, then add the vegetables another 30 minutes. Put your sauces or extras in the bags with the meat and vegetables to add taste of course. Do the gravy out of the juices on the stove and serve- take out the washing and hang. Brilliant, meal and clean washing- 2 for the price of one. Next Christmas it will be boil in the bag turkey with underwear fantastic!" LOL

But this comment links more to the issue at hand

"oh com on people, use your logic. You can see it now, the buying of these sooper-dooper machine machines will cost more for the greedy manufacturers and advertised as saving water and all tied-in because of global warming and water-shortages. Durrr ...who's buying it?

Strangely enough before having a good look at the pic, the machine looked like a Siemens, hopefully it won't be a sign of things to come with the company buying out well established companies and selling their cheap tat under that name. They are welcome to sell their washing machines on the market, but to take over well established brands like Zanussi and sell their tat under its name is beyond me.
 
A Genuine Wash In Only 4 Minutes!!!!

Yes it is true, with a Hoovermatic you can :-) plus a bit more time for the spinning and rinsing, but these type of machines are the only ones that i know of in the UK that do have very short wash times (once the required temeperature is achieved) and wash beautifully

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Hey Mike ...

This is a great thread , I love the women in the keymatic picture I'm saving it to my photos.

I don't get the 16 min wash but it thank the car wash guys would love it for rags washed, rinsed for the next ten cars lol.

As a freashen up cycle is not bad idea.

 

Alex ...SuperElectronics said it best ..The world is losing the art of laundering.

Which I have a fantasy that the whole AW bored could get together and get a large book or a seminar at a large place to get peaple

motivated in ways that could change the world on laundry.

I think we have the capacity if we came together and brainstorm lol.

 

Your right on Asko my Super Quick wash on 105 F

two rinses it defaults to 800 rpm is 30 min can even cut 10 mins off that if I break the cycle.

1600 rpm spins are addictive.

 

I die for one of those HOTPOINT TOP LOADERS I could wash in the sun at that door you have in your home there all day lol !

Fantastic machine Mike.

 

 Darren k

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But Wait ! we can do it here in 3 min ...plus some.

Kenmore Elite DD.

Gary that is a beautiful Hoover.

 Darren k

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