Question?-Isn't a new machine that takes 2hrs to do aload of wash going BACKWARDS here compared to an older one that takes less time?And for some that do other things while the load cycles-run the Washer,Dishwasher,or dryer ONLY when you are at home-otherwise you may come home to a flooded home or a burned down one!
12 Minute Wash - Hype or Reality..!!!
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ronhic
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Do I need to do this again?
Rex,
In a word, no.
In a few more....
It ultimately depends on what the USER decides to do with the time between starting the cycle and it finishing....I don't have an issue with either the washing machine or dishwasher being run and me being out or asleep (they often come on at 5am...)
....and as for a flood, ok...drip, I had that last week regardless of if I was home or not because the hose connection (tap end) of the dishwasher was leaking unbeknowns to me....for 3 days in the cupboard....
As for fires, well, nobody mentioned a dryer anywhere else in the posts....well the ones that made sense anyway.
Rex,
In a word, no.
In a few more....
It ultimately depends on what the USER decides to do with the time between starting the cycle and it finishing....I don't have an issue with either the washing machine or dishwasher being run and me being out or asleep (they often come on at 5am...)
....and as for a flood, ok...drip, I had that last week regardless of if I was home or not because the hose connection (tap end) of the dishwasher was leaking unbeknowns to me....for 3 days in the cupboard....
As for fires, well, nobody mentioned a dryer anywhere else in the posts....well the ones that made sense anyway.
"Isn't a new machine that takes 2hrs to do aload of
Many people may think it is if they have no overiders and manual selections on the machines!!, Many of the people complaining have entry level and mid-point machines that have time/temp/spinspeed all programmed on one fixed programme, no over-rides so to them its a Faff when you want a 40 min vigerous wash, 3 rinses and a fast spin...
BUT there are still many machines out there that you can determine your own choices...also depends on how good the balancing is on the machines as well..
Darren, the latest fad will be "Line Washing & Drying" peg them on the line spray with A Febreeze type solution, Hose Rinse & SunshineDry" ...LOl
David - "Nuttin To Do Wiv Me Gov - Honest"...interesting debate, this one will run & run I'm sure...The RH 12 min will not be A rated on the 12 min programme thats only given to a dedicated 60d cotton programme under test lab conditions...hope you are all settled and looking forward to seeing the lines of laundry - heres your fave!!!
Many people may think it is if they have no overiders and manual selections on the machines!!, Many of the people complaining have entry level and mid-point machines that have time/temp/spinspeed all programmed on one fixed programme, no over-rides so to them its a Faff when you want a 40 min vigerous wash, 3 rinses and a fast spin...
BUT there are still many machines out there that you can determine your own choices...also depends on how good the balancing is on the machines as well..
Darren, the latest fad will be "Line Washing & Drying" peg them on the line spray with A Febreeze type solution, Hose Rinse & SunshineDry" ...LOl
David - "Nuttin To Do Wiv Me Gov - Honest"...interesting debate, this one will run & run I'm sure...The RH 12 min will not be A rated on the 12 min programme thats only given to a dedicated 60d cotton programme under test lab conditions...hope you are all settled and looking forward to seeing the lines of laundry - heres your fave!!!
Spin Tolerences!!
Louis, interesting point, I hadnt seen that mentioned before and I wonder if it only does a "Fling Spin" up to 1200 for a few nano seconds, will the tolerance be 59% nearly 60??
Will have to delve into that one, I'm sure we will find someone who knows someone who has bought one!!!
Like we all know its how long it spins as well, My Dads Servis Quartz spins a 1000 for 6 mins continuous whereas the Fagor Im using spins for 1200 for a few mins and the Quarts clothes feel dryer!!! Mind NOTHING beats the 1600rpm from the V-Zug, they are MAX DRY...
Louis, interesting point, I hadnt seen that mentioned before and I wonder if it only does a "Fling Spin" up to 1200 for a few nano seconds, will the tolerance be 59% nearly 60??
Will have to delve into that one, I'm sure we will find someone who knows someone who has bought one!!!
Like we all know its how long it spins as well, My Dads Servis Quartz spins a 1000 for 6 mins continuous whereas the Fagor Im using spins for 1200 for a few mins and the Quarts clothes feel dryer!!! Mind NOTHING beats the 1600rpm from the V-Zug, they are MAX DRY...
pierreandreply4
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another option is that if you have a load in the washer or dishwasher if you have to leave you can always pause the washer if you have an electronic control board Front loader or push the timer knob front load or topload with a timer knob like this depending on the type of front load washer or topload you have and restart the machine when you return it won't lose anything its like your soaking your clothe while your gone that something i use to do with my old topload that i can't do anymore with my fl or if i have a wash load to do and know i have to leave if you have a delay function on your washer just program the delay for a 5 hour delay or 2 hour delay start depending on the time you are gone. the same go for dishwashers with mecanical timers you can always unlock the dish washer with stops it and restart it when you return.
Many
or most Front Loaders have the "Pause" option so not a problem, press when you return and you start where the programme left off...these "Electronic" washers with pause control have been available since 1978 in the UK...
or most Front Loaders have the "Pause" option so not a problem, press when you return and you start where the programme left off...these "Electronic" washers with pause control have been available since 1978 in the UK...
Mike!
I am totally in envy of that Ariel box! Ariel with the blue logo, the one with phosphates. My favourite detergent ever! The smell was absolutely wonderful!!!
I am totally in envy of that Ariel box! Ariel with the blue logo, the one with phosphates. My favourite detergent ever! The smell was absolutely wonderful!!!
1hr plus washcycle fits with modern life IMO
Think about it, shove load in - turn machine on. Go chill out on sofa with big mug of coffee and a movie you have been waiting to see from whatever ondemand service you subscribe to and by the time the film finishes the load is done
How much time out of your life has the washing actually taken?
Think about it, shove load in - turn machine on. Go chill out on sofa with big mug of coffee and a movie you have been waiting to see from whatever ondemand service you subscribe to and by the time the film finishes the load is done
How much time out of your life has the washing actually taken?
pierreandreply4
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12 minute wash
have you tough that maybe the 12 minute wash in question might actualy be a steam wash cycle maybe that why it only takes 12 minutes as steam equals refresh kind of like the system that dry cleaning machines use?
have you tough that maybe the 12 minute wash in question might actualy be a steam wash cycle maybe that why it only takes 12 minutes as steam equals refresh kind of like the system that dry cleaning machines use?
I used to use a new dishwasher that took 2 hrs for a load-now I use an older KA dishwasher thats takes HALF the time and does a BETTER job-so what if it uses more water or power.Again I am the one paying for it.I will not buy a washer that takes 2 hrs to do the loads when I have 3 that take only 45Min.Yes, they are water hog TL machines.I just can't get to paying twice,three or four times as much money for a machine that takes more time to do its job and will NEVER pay for themselves in water,power use.So,I will buy old TL machines from the swap and thrift shops as long as I can.I don't like the risk of letting a dishwasher,washer,or dryer work while I am not home or asleep.I have seen too many flooded homes and burnt ones from others I know of that did it.and at an apartment building I lived in-they had SEVERAL dryer fires there-the fire dept visited the place regularly to put them out.
ronhic
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Regardless of who pays the bill and an individuals belief in 'my right to do as I please', we all have a responcibility to the environment...
Interestingly, water efficient machines sold here don't focus on savings = dollars. For us, the savings = water...something we have a constant battle with in various parts of the country...which for us is far better to 'do our bit' for the greater good than for a negligible, if present, financial gain...
It seems to be a major difference between many Americans and many Australians....whilst we care about our back pocket and our freedom to pretty much do as we please, we appear to be far more flexible and accepting that there are times when the big picture view is more important. Water is one of those times especially if parents or grandparents were from the country...
Interestingly, water efficient machines sold here don't focus on savings = dollars. For us, the savings = water...something we have a constant battle with in various parts of the country...which for us is far better to 'do our bit' for the greater good than for a negligible, if present, financial gain...
It seems to be a major difference between many Americans and many Australians....whilst we care about our back pocket and our freedom to pretty much do as we please, we appear to be far more flexible and accepting that there are times when the big picture view is more important. Water is one of those times especially if parents or grandparents were from the country...
washerlover24
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i thik it rubbish u cannont get clothes clean in that time i would admit i would like them clean in that time my hotpoints fastest wash is 30 mins and that consists of 1wash, 2 rinses and one spin at 800rpm i do use it for my nephews clothes sometimes and the bathmats every weekend but thats about it i like a middleish time wash..
so i use synthetics 30 with timesaver not bad..
so i use synthetics 30 with timesaver not bad..
mickeyd
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MIke's vid and a 10 minute wash
Love the open door. A while back one of your mates had out a vid where he loaded the machine after it had filled and began tumbling. Always thought the Keymatic couldn't hold much laundry. Was surprised to see how many towels he worked in there all tumbling freely just like your load.
As I watched your Hoove, all tranced out by the open door, it came to me that the tumbling pattern is very much like that of the Hoover twin tub, only slower. Continuity.
Nice to see all that steam. We are catching up with heated cycles over here.
When I need something fast, I use the Unimatic at overflow wash-- 2 minutes, a little more if needed; spin, about a half minute @1140; overflow rinse 2 minutes; spin 5 minutes. The overflow provides water and agitation at the same time, while the gentle fin won't damage clothing at any water level no matter how low. With this method the tub fills half way up, with a powerful concentration of detergent at the beginning when the "washing liquors" are so very low.
This is for laundry emergencies, never a "real" load. As for this 12 minute stuff, the world has become obsessed with speed, instant gratification, faster, faster, faster. I tell ya it's crazy, Man!
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Love the open door. A while back one of your mates had out a vid where he loaded the machine after it had filled and began tumbling. Always thought the Keymatic couldn't hold much laundry. Was surprised to see how many towels he worked in there all tumbling freely just like your load.
As I watched your Hoove, all tranced out by the open door, it came to me that the tumbling pattern is very much like that of the Hoover twin tub, only slower. Continuity.
Nice to see all that steam. We are catching up with heated cycles over here.
When I need something fast, I use the Unimatic at overflow wash-- 2 minutes, a little more if needed; spin, about a half minute @1140; overflow rinse 2 minutes; spin 5 minutes. The overflow provides water and agitation at the same time, while the gentle fin won't damage clothing at any water level no matter how low. With this method the tub fills half way up, with a powerful concentration of detergent at the beginning when the "washing liquors" are so very low.
This is for laundry emergencies, never a "real" load. As for this 12 minute stuff, the world has become obsessed with speed, instant gratification, faster, faster, faster. I tell ya it's crazy, Man!
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liberator1509
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- heres your fave!!!
Hey Mike - now that's a PROPER washing machine!
Hey Mike - now that's a PROPER washing machine!
The enviornment is fine-but having so called energy and water saving machines rammed down our throats is NOT the answer to protecting the enviornment.most of these machines are so overpriced they are not worth buying.Again,for me and some other people its economics-the savings just isn't there.and will the machine last only 5-7 yrs-if so you are doing a DISSERVICE to the grand ol earth-the machine ends up in a landfill.the old vintage well made KN-WP tl washer keeps going.I don't like it when other make it their business to fret over what water and electricity I or they use.A neighbor next to me has a FL washer-but he poors thousands of gallons of water on his lawn.Just an observation.He pays his water bill so I don't worry about what water he uses.How many regular TL washer loads would that amount to and how many FL washer loads?I think the customer should be the one making the choices-not the Govt.And think of the budget savings if these measures implemented by Gov't was eliminated.the customers are aware of water and power use.Let them decide.Water in my area is the lowest cost utility.I don't waste it-but don't fret over it either.Nor do I poor thousands of gallons of it on my lawn.thats what rain is for.and for enviornment concious-watering lawns and gardens can cause runoff pollution.this stuff eventually goes into the rivers,lakes and even oceans.
ronhic
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Live in an area where water is effectively rationed by compulsory water restrictions on non-essential use, as most Australians have done over the past 10years and you'll understand where I'm coming from.
Goulburn, a town with a population of 20,000 about 60 miles from here, was so drought stricken that they were restricted to a maximum of about 40 US Gallons per day, per person.
That had to cover ALL:
- showering/bathing
- internal house cleaning (bathrooms etc)
- toilet usage
- cooking
- washing
- dishes....
....and heaven forbid if you were caught washing a car, hosing a path or using a hose to water a garden - fines were issued. Things were desperate and people installed water tanks and had water tankered in at substantial cost.
Gardens died....unless people saved their rinse water from their washer or, as is quite common here when water is not, had a bucket in the shower to catch what they could to keep plants going....
Canberra, the national capital with a population of 300,000, was until very recently on water restrictions...and we had been for over 6 years
Water conservation goes beyond 'What's in it for me'....and takes on a much bigger picture. As I said above, when you know people who are affected by water shortages, and every person in this country does, you do what you can to avoid potential waste even if it may not help them directly...but it may help yourself in the future....
Canberra is now at 100% dam capacity, but sales of front load machines havn't slowed at all according to one source of mine, but are still increasing...and we can still buy a traditional, water hungry top loader too should we desire it - but the vast majority don't....
It is unfortunate that Americans are being fed machines which are expensive and have not got the mechanical longevity to justify the price. I can buy a perfectly good (Euromaid - Beko made from Turkey) 7kg (17lb) machine for less than $550...which sounds expensive, but then factor in our average annual salary of USD$64000, it suddenly looks cheap....a Bosch can be had for about $750-800....but an American Whirlpool is closer to $1200!
Nobody in this country has said 'No, you can't have it'. What is said implied is 'Fine, have it. But use it contientiously and not be wasteful'
Goulburn, a town with a population of 20,000 about 60 miles from here, was so drought stricken that they were restricted to a maximum of about 40 US Gallons per day, per person.
That had to cover ALL:
- showering/bathing
- internal house cleaning (bathrooms etc)
- toilet usage
- cooking
- washing
- dishes....
....and heaven forbid if you were caught washing a car, hosing a path or using a hose to water a garden - fines were issued. Things were desperate and people installed water tanks and had water tankered in at substantial cost.
Gardens died....unless people saved their rinse water from their washer or, as is quite common here when water is not, had a bucket in the shower to catch what they could to keep plants going....
Canberra, the national capital with a population of 300,000, was until very recently on water restrictions...and we had been for over 6 years
Water conservation goes beyond 'What's in it for me'....and takes on a much bigger picture. As I said above, when you know people who are affected by water shortages, and every person in this country does, you do what you can to avoid potential waste even if it may not help them directly...but it may help yourself in the future....
Canberra is now at 100% dam capacity, but sales of front load machines havn't slowed at all according to one source of mine, but are still increasing...and we can still buy a traditional, water hungry top loader too should we desire it - but the vast majority don't....
It is unfortunate that Americans are being fed machines which are expensive and have not got the mechanical longevity to justify the price. I can buy a perfectly good (Euromaid - Beko made from Turkey) 7kg (17lb) machine for less than $550...which sounds expensive, but then factor in our average annual salary of USD$64000, it suddenly looks cheap....a Bosch can be had for about $750-800....but an American Whirlpool is closer to $1200!
Nobody in this country has said 'No, you can't have it'. What is said implied is 'Fine, have it. But use it contientiously and not be wasteful'
I can buy a perfectly good (Euromaid - Beko made from Turke
Yes, you can, that is true. As long as you are aware that you are purchasing $550 worth of disposable junk that is of little economic and environmental value.
Yes, you can, that is true. As long as you are aware that you are purchasing $550 worth of disposable junk that is of little economic and environmental value.
pierreandreply4
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here in canada
here in canada if you count that certain provinces have 2 sales tax the canadian gst and the provincal tax in the province of quebec the same whirlpool washer would cost near 2100$ if you had the tax. and this is my last post in this topic
here in canada if you count that certain provinces have 2 sales tax the canadian gst and the provincal tax in the province of quebec the same whirlpool washer would cost near 2100$ if you had the tax. and this is my last post in this topic
Beko
Hang on, Beko is one of the better cheaper brands.
Hang on, Beko is one of the better cheaper brands.
I am surprised at the
2 hour wash in the Miele! What is it doing?? My enzyme supplier is based in Europe, he tells me enzymes work at peak for around 20 maybe 30 minutes so if that is the case then why does Miele have a 1 hour bio cycle?? Is there heating going on at the last 30 minutes?
Yes Mike nice Ariel box and wow what a thread!!
20 minute wash forever!
2 hour wash in the Miele! What is it doing?? My enzyme supplier is based in Europe, he tells me enzymes work at peak for around 20 maybe 30 minutes so if that is the case then why does Miele have a 1 hour bio cycle?? Is there heating going on at the last 30 minutes?
Yes Mike nice Ariel box and wow what a thread!!
20 minute wash forever!
