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Norgeway, I don't want to wait over an hour just to get one load washed either .Ridiculous.Fl washers are inherently efficient because of their design. So why do they insist on using miniscule amounts of water? I would think this would be an area where a more liberal use of water would be welcome and still be "HE".

Another thing,...why did Speed Queen go with plastic baffles in its newer front load machines ? Seems they are cheapening out. At least they are deep full sized baffles, and not the speed bumps many manufacturers are currently using. Their motors must be weaker I would think.
 
Plastic baffles

I can't imagine that there would be any significant savings in switching to plastic baffles. My last FL had a stainless tub with plastic baffles, as did my first FL. Well, that was 20 years of these machines and certainly I had no beef with what the baffles were made of. For the torque of the motor used, and since the tub is balanced, what would lead to thinking that plastic baffles would be there for that reason. I'd bet a dollar to a donut that blindfolded, you couldn't tell the two tubs apart, one in s.s. and one in heavy plastic.

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<blockquote>agiflow2:  Correct me if I am wrong but does any washer maker other than Speed Queen offer a top loader where you can get straight hot tap water ?</blockquote> Fisher & Paykel's agitator toploader WA3927G1 runs full tap-hot for the Allergy cycle, and that cycle has two deep rinses.  One can presumably fill a load on Allergy, then cancel and switch to another cycle.
 
Top load
Average 18 lbs capacity ( limited by shipping dimensions x cost)
Agitator (old school, maybe a little similar to the Easy Spiralator just because my husband loves that agitator)
Dispenser for both liquid and powder detergents, Bleach, Oxy, Softener
Temperature selector with no ATC (Cold/warm/hot, all cold rinses)
Average 800 RPM spin
Simple dial instead of touch controls.
Glass lid because nowadays people love to watch and I have to protect the company from being sued, so I must have the F-word lid lock.

Starting to sketch now. Am I forgetting something? Help me guys!
 
Fisher and Paykel is hard to get in my area now. I would probably have to look for a mom and pop business to get one . I don't see them in Sears or Lowes, Home Depot..etc... I used to see them in Lowes several years ago but have not seen them in a few years now.

In the meantime I have my old school style Speed Queen and am content with both the washer and dryer. No error codes. No loads taking forever to balance or off balance loads destroying the machine. In the nearly 5 years i have had this washer i have yet to hear or see this machine go off balance so bad that the tub hits the cabinet or physically vibrates the machine.Doesn't happen. Great suspensions in these machines.[this post was last edited: 10/21/2017-08:08]
 
first of all, standard FL machine in a laundromat uses more water per fill, and run shorter cycles--time is money-- than your standard home machine....

HE TLers, don't knock one until you own one.....I had/have a few of them.....if the wash water comes out filthy, and the last rinse is clear, plus the clothes are clean.....results no one can argue with, I don't care who you are....

you have to let the machine runs through it paces, even I was skeptical at first....but it truly does an exceptional job, like it or not....

many machines I noticed DUB down hot water.....the first question I ask is, what temp is your water heater set at?....dubbing down 120, yeah, your going to get a medium warm wash......now, dubbing down 180, even at a 20 degree drop, I have a true HOT wash....

water heaters in most machines are helpful, but even they wont raise the temp that high.....I was hoping for machines with a heater to get an actual boil wash....

probably one of the best things for any HE machine with a low water level, TL or FL, is a continuous sprinkler.....which even in the Kenmore Combo was shown to be most effective....the clothing constantly being saturated with a concentrate detergent lather.....

 
Yogitunes...i assume you directed this at me. I don't comment on things I don't have experience or some knowledge of. So there's that.

I did own a HE top load washer in 2011 when I bought a belt driven Maytag Bravos. I still like the concept and when the machine worked it was an excellent cleaner. No washer ever got my socks as white as that washer did. There is something to be said for low water washing. The wash plate was like a scrub board, yet gentle at the same time...and the reverse blooming effect was cool to watch.

That is why I hope Speed Queen can make a more reliable machine than what I had with the Bravos. The control board started malfunctioning randomly after the first couple of months I got it.

With the flaws it had with heavy vibration and too light construction...i still like that machine. I liked the way it operated and how the water would come on for rinse while the spin was coasting down, like an old solid tub. It was a fun machine with that glass lid.

At the time I thought the belt drive would perform similar to the dd machines..WRONG...Bulky items setting was disappointing. The agitation profile was not variable enough. Didn't wash like the TOL washers with a F&P smart drive motor. What did I know?...live and learn.

I still like the concept though. The people who bitch about them not cleaning simply do not take the time to follow directions or didn't realize what they actually bought. I was intrigued the first time I saw these machines when they were released back in 05. Always wanted to get one and I did.

Even though WP sold me an unreliable machine I still am not really that pissed about it. It is new tech and so will take a couple of generations to work these things out. The current cabrios with the dd motors are attached to gearing so that kind of makes them like the VMW I had. Judging by some videos o bave seen of them...the bulky cycle is still weak and anemic. Shame really as once again I think the design has potential.

If WP can change the agitation profile for Bulky cycles to actually get a comforter to fully submerge and turnover then they would have a winner i think.

These machines were the best when they had the smart drive motors IMO.
 
HE toploaders

I don't need to buy one to know I don't want it. I've got at least two dozen friends/couples living in my town. Out of those, only one couple likes theirs. The rest hate them, and 4 have already dumped theirs.

Those stats, and watching all those dry clothes traveling around in those HE top loaders, tells me all I need to know.

However--if you like yours, go for it! Remember, in the 'golden era' of automatic washers, people had individual preferences. My mother loved her 'Jet Action' Frigidaire, whether ti wrinkled more or not.
 
Then why did they buy them to begin with ? I went in knowing these machines used little water. I will bet they thought the machine used much more water than it did. Many people complained for that very reason.

I'm not saying they were or are lying, but if you look at the complaints it is usually people dumbfounded they use soo little water. This is the whole point of HE ! People thought "ohh look at all that space with no agitator ......i can cram this sucker full " READ THE DIRECTIONS ! There is a learning curve to these machines.

It seems the people who followed the instructions and used the proper cycle for the load had better outcomes with these washers..of course short of some operating flaw with the machine itself.
 
Most women came from using wringers it would seem. There are many threads on why we switched to the top load format. The fl machines didn't do well with the high sudsing detergents back then and they scored average to below average in washing.

At the time also I believe top loaders could wash more laundry as makers like Norge and GE were claiming larger capacities in the 60s. All of that combined to make top load washers the dominant format in Canada, US and Australia to my knowledge.
 
Thanks for the correction John. Did the first DD oasis/cabrio washers use a lot more water ? I forget now whether they did or not. I know the agitator ones did.
 
Calypso

The idea was good, but something went wrong. I'll never forget the site when I walked onto the Sears floor one day in the early 2000s. The amount of returned Calypso washers could fill the mall the store was attached to. The Sears guys did not have nice things to say about them. Perhaps it was just something local or set of defective washers, but for what ever reasons consumers did not like them. But seeing today's impellers I think Calypso should be given another try. The Maytag TL and Calypso seem a lot more promising.
 
 
The primary problem with the Calypso is that people couldn't get a grasp on using it properly.  WP did have some mechanical issues with it but they did several revisions on it through production.  I have both a Calypso and a Neptune TL ... the Calypso beats the TL by far on certain kinds of loads, and rinses better.
 
Didn't the calypso get excellent cleaning reviews on their first test by consumer reports ? The best they ever had ? I thought I remember reading something close to that
 
My grandmother had a Bendix front loader at one point but used toploaders thereafter. She had nothing but praises for it and was curious if modern front loaders compared but she but that point an Amana that was like the current Speed Queen. Those machines last a very long time my parents have one too though theirs is one of the digital control ones just slightly after that and it's been their daily go to and was purchased back when Circuit City stopped carrying appliances. It shares many similarities to the Speed Queen. I think simple availability is they top loaders won out, plus they're easier to unload and load especially when the machines didn't have pedestals like they do now.

As far as water use, any machine with electromechanical controls could pretty easily be modified and altered to use the amount of water you want, the machines are not that complex, presuming you have the necessary engineering and tinkering skills, I know most people won't but there is nothing preventing anyone from doing so.

As far as pure hot water from the tap, if the machine doesn't do it with the ease of that shark bite plumbing it would be very simple just to install a bypass and feed hot water to both sides if necessary to get a hot water fill.
 
there are a great number of machines that have a built in 'fail safe' if you will....when it comes to HOT and COLD altering....

many machines will throw an error code if...

-both hoses are not connected...

-hot is not on the hot side, and cold is not on the cold side....some will shut down, others will 'know' the hoses are flipped, and adjust temps to dub down the hot side, no matter which one its connected to....

some machines you can unplug the sensor, others you cannot....as it will affect temps...

it is like they are one step ahead of us when trying to hack one of these......which I think are steps way to far for a washing machine....

I have machines with Auto-Temp-Control, where the idea was if the cold water was too cool, it would add hot to bring the temps up for proper activation of detergent and cleaning...those days are long gone....
 

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