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there are a great number of machines that have a built in 'fail safe' if you will....when it comes to HOT and COLD altering....

many machines will throw an error code if...

-both hoses are not connected...

-hot is not on the hot side, and cold is not on the cold side....some will shut down, others will 'know' the hoses are flipped, and adjust temps to dub down the hot side, no matter which one its connected to....

some machines you can unplug the sensor, others you cannot....as it will affect temps...

it is like they are one step ahead of us when trying to hack one of these......which I think are steps way to far for a washing machine....

I have machines with Auto-Temp-Control, where the idea was if the cold water was too cool, it would add hot to bring the temps up for proper activation of detergent and cleaning...those days are long gone....
 
The rep didn't say anything either way about auto temp control, but he said there is an eco cycle that offers a spray rinse and a load detection.

The new machine is supposed to use a variable speed motor, there is a lid lock, and no braking system. All of the drive components are metal.

All electro-mechanical controls. If you are not using ECO you can select a manual water level. The lid only locks during spin.

They are saying the new system will move the water through the clothes, not move the clothes through the water. They are saying a 20% life increase on clothes washed in this new machine compared to the old one.

Also, the price is going up 50 ish bucks and the top end machine will have a 7 year warranty.

As far as the front loaders, the biggest change will be that they can be ordered with left or right hinged doors on the washers. And I did find out a few weeks ago the ECO cycles can be turned off on the digital front loaders and the water level can be increased by two inches.
 
Hacking

It really depends on how far your knowledge goes if simple hacks don't work you can always get more creative. If they used a thermistor or thermocouple you could probably rig a higher temp one in to fool the machine. You could even replumbnthe machines internally if needed depending on clearances, where there is a will there is a way. How many people will bother I dunno. I have a Speed Queen with digital controls and a Samsung addwash. I always run them both on warm cold cycles and in the Speed Queen run a full deep rinse.
 
I have seen the new designs....

I have seen the new designs and they are going to deff. have a different transmission but still be metal parts. The backspashes for the machines will be a black/stainless steel color which i do not like. I messaged speed queen and they told me only the normal eco cycle was going to change and we would still have access to water levels as normal but i assume it will still be less water allowed than on the 17 model. I don't know anything about the agitator, and i feel like they are going to ruin it, but they don't do anything half way at speed queen because laundry is all they do so we will see. Deff. do not like the new design colors i prefer white it reminds me of clean. I wonder if the water levels in the front loaders will be significant i want more water. 2 inches doesn't seem like a lot to me. the knob front loaders are going to electro nothing manuel timers anymore. lid lock confirmed, hate that they are taking away spin brake. can someone post pics of new deisngs if they can get their hands on them? i'm a huge speed queen fan but i'm concerened, will the new transmission be silent like the front loader? does this mean there will be those damn weird pauses between agitator movements i want instant back and forth action like the 17's or the 18's will be shit. i'm very concerened. if only we could have front loaders that use enough water in this counrty, they clean the best, but no the dept. of energy screws us.
 
I hope they have a winner with this new machine what ever it may be. I really hope they don't screw their top load loyalists over completely. More people buy the top loader than their fl washers so I hope we will have something that isn't too much of a compromise. I guess we will know soon enough.
 
Reply # 185

Total BS, SQ TL Washers rinse great, I have never had a complaint from a customer of the 1000s of customers we have interacted with that own SQ TL washers.

 

Slight foam coming out the drain hose during final spin or a few suds bubbles in the rinse water do not mean the machine is not rinsing well, test your rinse water and you will find it is not slippery between your fingers and a glass of it is clear enough to drink.

 

Unless you have perfectly soft water the worst thing you can do to your washer or your laundry is to over rinse it, doing so just rinses minerals back into your laundry and you will have itchy clothing and mineral deposits will build up in the washer and ruin water seals in the pump and the main outer tub seal.

 

We have seen many washers destroyed by over rinsing loads of clothing.

 

John L.
 
Poor rinsing cont'd

I am satisfied with the rinsing of my 2009 432, however:

Spray rince lasts 20 sec. and starts when the spin is in full throttle making the (vertical) water flume getting caught in the whirlwind and is spread evenly onto the clothes. But I wish it would last 10 sec. more. I find it better than the slightly longer / diagonal flume of later models that starts way too early to cover all the clothes and making use of the whirlwind.

On mine, spray rince is useless on delicate cycle as the tub does not spin fast enough and the water flume drops directly to the bottom of the basket. All it does is getting rid of the small amount of wash water that remains at the bottom of the tub after the wash cycle.

Depending on load size and type of fabric, I (very occasionally) will repeat the spray rince portion 1 or twice should I find it necessary. But then again, I can do that due to the mechanical timer.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Reply #186

From experience and videos I’ve witnessed on YouTube, the modern Speed Queen’s have piss poor rinsing since the first spin is slow which doesn’t spin out enough of the soapy water resulting in poor rinsing.

“Total BS, SQ TL washers rinse great, I have never had a complaint from a customer of the 1000s of customers we have interacted with that own Speed Queen washers”.

The customers of yours who have Speed Queen washers more than likely had HE machines before they got their Speed Queen which is why they are happy with them but don’t rinse very well in my book.

It’s interesting reading through the archives and how you praised Whirlpool’s washers since they did a neutral drain and how you weren’t too fond of spin drain machines like Maytag since they supposedly would muck up under the agitator while Speed Queen’s do a spin drain and muck up under the agitator even worse from videos I’ve seen of Speed Queen washer repair.
 
Speed Queen was having issues with suds overflowing from standpipes on this design and the slower spin/spray rinse was the fix until the water was displaced, then the higher speed kicks in.
 
I normally do a 2nd rinse on every load. Newer washer has a gray water rinse, so after the cycle is finished it gets restarted in the rinse and spin cycle. Takes a while longer but the clothes are rinsed nicely. Seems to be a waste of water but with no spin after washing it is necessary.

Jon
 
I never had a problem of the TR7 rinsing when I tried it out. It seemed to do about the same as the other three classic Speed Queen top loaders that I've used before.
 

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