AI in laundry...
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bpetersxx
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white underwear hot wash detergent bleach normal speed
color medium or warm normal speed biz axion or snowy
lingerie hot wash bleach delicate cycle
PP hot or medium or warm whites use beach
I've seen or been doing laundry since 1963
Aint rocket science
color medium or warm normal speed biz axion or snowy
lingerie hot wash bleach delicate cycle
PP hot or medium or warm whites use beach
I've seen or been doing laundry since 1963
Aint rocket science
normal/fast
Normal wash and fast spin which is typically the most intense option combination is reasonable for cotton/linen like towels, sheets, jeans, t-shirts, etc. Some models have that spin speed combination for a heavy duty cycle. Speed Queen is an example.
Normal wash and fast spin which is typically the most intense option combination is reasonable for cotton/linen like towels, sheets, jeans, t-shirts, etc. Some models have that spin speed combination for a heavy duty cycle. Speed Queen is an example.
lakewebsterkid
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AI
My Kenmore/LG does it to an extent. It will reduce tumble speed, prolong tumbles, and alter spin speed based on load size after the initial sensing. The older machines just adjusted wash and rinse time, as well as add more time for balancing. The program for a large/full load is actually great for Normal, but is not my favorite for a smaller load because of the issues above. Permanent Press loads come out wrinkled on Normal and Whites because of the increased slow and long tumbles, though are especially bad with TurboWash on. Plus, it will spin significantly faster with a smaller load versus a large load. That makes no sense to me other than to save the bearings. Though, if I select Extra High spin speed, I selected it for a reason and want that speed. Speed will range anywhere from 1011-1258 rpm on Normal, Whites, Heavy Duty, and Sanitize. The Duet always spun at the selected speed. That I do miss.
The “AI” on LG TurboWash machines I swear is for EPA and EnergyStar guidelines. Originally the “AI” ran on Normal cycle with warm water selected. I’m gonna imagine that if an 8 pound load is washed, that the temperature is reduced, spin increased.
My Kenmore/LG does it to an extent. It will reduce tumble speed, prolong tumbles, and alter spin speed based on load size after the initial sensing. The older machines just adjusted wash and rinse time, as well as add more time for balancing. The program for a large/full load is actually great for Normal, but is not my favorite for a smaller load because of the issues above. Permanent Press loads come out wrinkled on Normal and Whites because of the increased slow and long tumbles, though are especially bad with TurboWash on. Plus, it will spin significantly faster with a smaller load versus a large load. That makes no sense to me other than to save the bearings. Though, if I select Extra High spin speed, I selected it for a reason and want that speed. Speed will range anywhere from 1011-1258 rpm on Normal, Whites, Heavy Duty, and Sanitize. The Duet always spun at the selected speed. That I do miss.
The “AI” on LG TurboWash machines I swear is for EPA and EnergyStar guidelines. Originally the “AI” ran on Normal cycle with warm water selected. I’m gonna imagine that if an 8 pound load is washed, that the temperature is reduced, spin increased.
I'll stick to real intelligence. Having a person design a machine and the cycle sequence that goes along with it such that a machine can wash, balance and spin without AI, fuzzy logic or complex sensor inputs is the epitome of human intellect.
to chetlaham
I agree with you. Speed Queen Classic fits the bill. I do my own laundry, thank you very much.
I agree with you. Speed Queen Classic fits the bill. I do my own laundry, thank you very much.
I wish Speed Queen would make a timer based home model. If everyone was like me all washers, all dryers, all dishwashers, all refrigerators, all stoves, and most microwaves would have EM controls. EM controls would have stopped selling long ago. This picture is a ne plus ultra microcosm of everything wrong:
My Miele adjusts time and water
<span style="font-family: helvetica;">My Miele washer is about 4 years old and it does adjust time because I will get a text telling me that is has adjusted time for that load. I don't really know if it does it by weight or exactly how it does it but I know it does. I believe it is supposed to adjust the amount of water as well but I don't have any proof of that.</span>
<span style="font-family: helvetica;">As far as AI in the laundry (or anywhere in the house actually), I appreciate the suggestion of how a certain load should be programmed but often I overwrite the suggestion and set it as I wish. If I don't know how a particular item should be washed I go with he programmed cycle. What I do know is this is the best cleaning washer I have ever owned. </span>
<span style="font-family: helvetica;">I was in IT for 40 years and I am fascinated by all the new technology that's coming out. It doesn't mean I want all of it at my fingertips but I am certainly not going look down on someone who does. If you don't want to press the buttons then don't buy a machine that has them. There problem solved.</span>
<span style="font-family: helvetica;">My Miele washer is about 4 years old and it does adjust time because I will get a text telling me that is has adjusted time for that load. I don't really know if it does it by weight or exactly how it does it but I know it does. I believe it is supposed to adjust the amount of water as well but I don't have any proof of that.</span>
<span style="font-family: helvetica;">As far as AI in the laundry (or anywhere in the house actually), I appreciate the suggestion of how a certain load should be programmed but often I overwrite the suggestion and set it as I wish. If I don't know how a particular item should be washed I go with he programmed cycle. What I do know is this is the best cleaning washer I have ever owned. </span>
<span style="font-family: helvetica;">I was in IT for 40 years and I am fascinated by all the new technology that's coming out. It doesn't mean I want all of it at my fingertips but I am certainly not going look down on someone who does. If you don't want to press the buttons then don't buy a machine that has them. There problem solved.</span>
SHAME
Shame!!! Shame on these companies putting AI in electronic appliances and trying to sell more by seeing what sticks in the market!
I’m the only one who matters and my single purchase should be enough to sustain a multi-billion dollar corporation!
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Shame!!! Shame on these companies putting AI in electronic appliances and trying to sell more by seeing what sticks in the market!
I’m the only one who matters and my single purchase should be enough to sustain a multi-billion dollar corporation!
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shame!
Shame! Shame on Whirlpool for jumping on the AI bandwagon! Shame on GE too! Well folks, 2025 will be full of AI laundry and things will break down.
What happened to plain old common sense? I'm so glad I use Speed Queen Laundry. I decide, not the machines.
Shame! Shame on Whirlpool for jumping on the AI bandwagon! Shame on GE too! Well folks, 2025 will be full of AI laundry and things will break down.
What happened to plain old common sense? I'm so glad I use Speed Queen Laundry. I decide, not the machines.
AI in home appliances
I can't see any harm in this and much advantage of people want to use it. It's not something you have to use.
You can still go by Speed Queen's that don't have AI if you like
But most of us here in the club know that most people have no idea how to do laundry or even properly use a dishwasher and for those people AI may be a huge boom or for people who just want the best performance at the most economical level.
John L
I can't see any harm in this and much advantage of people want to use it. It's not something you have to use.
You can still go by Speed Queen's that don't have AI if you like
But most of us here in the club know that most people have no idea how to do laundry or even properly use a dishwasher and for those people AI may be a huge boom or for people who just want the best performance at the most economical level.
John L
Honestly this stuff in appliances, at least for the time being, is just extra fancy "fuzzy logic" algorithms.
True AI needs many more inputs than what current companies are putting in their machines, as far as sensors go.
If they're to get real AI to work, they need a way to "see" the dirty water, "see" what fabrics are being put in, etc.
Right now they're only getting inputs from the control panel, motor resistances, temperature, vibration, maybe even water hardness manually set by the user.
That's rather limited, and not really needing AI to handle, when fuzzy logic has done great with those limited, mostly repeatable inputs for decades now.
Dishwashers are only slightly more advanced because they have soil sensors, which very few, if any, washer brands leverage. Whirlpool dishwashers used to have a "foam drive" on the old platform, but it's been taken away, from what I've seen on 1 recent schematic I saw.
And I don't think they even used the foam drive they had, since it never seemed to do anything with all the foamy Cascade pods out there.
I don't really see actual AI coming to laundry for a WHILE.
Right now it's all marketing buzz.
True AI needs many more inputs than what current companies are putting in their machines, as far as sensors go.
If they're to get real AI to work, they need a way to "see" the dirty water, "see" what fabrics are being put in, etc.
Right now they're only getting inputs from the control panel, motor resistances, temperature, vibration, maybe even water hardness manually set by the user.
That's rather limited, and not really needing AI to handle, when fuzzy logic has done great with those limited, mostly repeatable inputs for decades now.
Dishwashers are only slightly more advanced because they have soil sensors, which very few, if any, washer brands leverage. Whirlpool dishwashers used to have a "foam drive" on the old platform, but it's been taken away, from what I've seen on 1 recent schematic I saw.
And I don't think they even used the foam drive they had, since it never seemed to do anything with all the foamy Cascade pods out there.
I don't really see actual AI coming to laundry for a WHILE.
Right now it's all marketing buzz.
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