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andrewinorlando
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I like this place just the way it is....and have for years. But I vote for C.
~sudsshane
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for Robert...
hellooo...Samantha!
hellooo...Samantha!
whirlcool
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OK, here is my suggestion: <br
First, open your mouth wide and hiss like a cat. <br
Next (que up spell casting chimes) <br
<I>Head of a Vixe
Tail from a ho
I'm the one in charge her
So if you don't like this.. off the site you go! </I <br
Seriously, I can see how some of the letter had some constructive critisism in it. A lot of us would like the Super stuff to hang around longer.
The idea of the graphics being outdated is kinda funny. If you really have used this site for awhile, you would realize they are there for a reason... to define some of the attributes of the sites subject matter.
Oh well, you can't please all of the people all of the time!
First, open your mouth wide and hiss like a cat. <br
Next (que up spell casting chimes) <br
<I>Head of a Vixe
Tail from a ho
I'm the one in charge her
So if you don't like this.. off the site you go! </I <br
Seriously, I can see how some of the letter had some constructive critisism in it. A lot of us would like the Super stuff to hang around longer.
The idea of the graphics being outdated is kinda funny. If you really have used this site for awhile, you would realize they are there for a reason... to define some of the attributes of the sites subject matter.
Oh well, you can't please all of the people all of the time!
Brent-Aucoin
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Oh Wow.....
I love this site the way it is also.....
Their opinion is not all that important.....
Is it
relax......breath deep.....no incantations....Karma....remember....Karma....Don't let it bite you in the bum......
Brent
I love this site the way it is also.....
Their opinion is not all that important.....
Is it
relax......breath deep.....no incantations....Karma....remember....Karma....Don't let it bite you in the bum......
Brent
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figurers you would vote for "C" Andrew......
Don't make plans next week on my birthday..Liz will be in town.
Don't make plans next week on my birthday..Liz will be in town.
washertalk
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Chill out people !!
really. Quite a few magicians in here.
How does a letter that is sent out of CONCERN for the site, suggesting possible improvements and asking for clarifications about the site
Turn int
a personal attack on Roberts character or dedication to the site? <br
There is no doubt that Robert and others have put alot into this site and that work is highly appreciated. It is in RESPECT for that work that improvements were suggested
Not as criticism <br
The intent of the letter stands and I STILL have not had answers to the questions. Questions that had been asked years ago as well <br
Could the letter have been written a bit kinder, I will concede that <br
As for the observation about the age of participants, AGAIN, it was not meant to be critical but trying to discern the key audience that the site was targeted to. As was stated in the letter, I don't want to make suggestions that were out of touch with that audience. I don't honestly believe, as I haven't been apprised otherwise, that the site is meant to be targeted to any particular age group. But some of the things that have been said, especially in the past imply otherwise. Personally, I am not ageist <br
If there is any gripe it is legit and that is that there is an "attitude" that has been prevalent since I'm sure before I joined in late 2002 and that is that only certain older appliances from like the 1950s are "desirable" and Poo on that stuff from the 70s and 80s. ??? what the _uck?
where did THAT come from?
And this is my QUESTION? <br
It is one thing to like what you like and go after that, but to have the need to step on what other peoples interests are suggests that one feels insecure. Like a group of white people who feel the need to pump themselves up by stepping on Black people. Unacceptable
Neither the 1970s ,certainly not the 1950s or ANY decades appliances or styles for that matter are KING. Though I have to admit that I have been more biased AGAINST the 1950s after dealing with the attitudes I have seen here (and the last 7 years of republican "lets recreate the 1950s" spittle). <br
There have been times when I needed help with something and didn't bother to ask here because I didn't feel that there was a receptive audience. How can that be that one doesn't feel comfortable asking an appliance question in an appliance forum? And there have been times when questions have been asked and there was no response. Lately, there has been blatant false information handed out, especially in the pink forum. <br
There is certainly nothing wrong with having a website dedicated to appliances from just a certain time period say the 1950s or 1960s. Or more preferred the 1970s and 1980s. <br
If that is the case than do it
Otherwise the way the site is set up now it is discriminatory. Each person values something different. There is no need for that discrimination. Discrimination yet another 1950s trait - I strongly dislike <br
As for the graphics. It wasn't said that they were bad. I personnally like them. It was suggested to ADD to them <br
And the suggestion about changing the rooms. Clearly the green room doesnt't get used as much as the rest. And there is the occasion where people with service issues are looking for help in making a repair. They often end up in there and then they are gone. In order to post they have to fill out a profile. So we have how many hundreds of profiles on people that will never get used taking up server space. These are along with the profiles of legit dedicated members- of which some of you need to do a better job of filling out I think. People looking for service information need to fill out something before posting thats for sure but why waste a profile on them. <br
Or if we don't want to provide a forum for people to ask service questions, post on the front page that we are not a free advice giving site <br
Also, I don't believe there is an area of the site that gives credit to those members who have put together the site. It would be nice to know for whom we all should be giving credit <br
So, proudly, I wrote the letter and Thank-you Robert for posting. It is the responsibility of ALL of us as members of a Democracy to speak up and make an effort to maintain our society. No one and nothing is above questioning. Anybody can sit back and go with the flow. I expect better and frankly I think most people do too. <br
This is a wonderful site if I didn't think so I wouldn't have bothered with the inquiry. If there are those who feel I shouldn't bother, I invite you to let me know <br
I'm glad that we were able to have this discussion and am saddened that at the moment, it won't be retrievable in the future to show the COMPLETE history of the site. <br <br <br <br <br <br <br <br <br
really. Quite a few magicians in here.
How does a letter that is sent out of CONCERN for the site, suggesting possible improvements and asking for clarifications about the site
Turn int
a personal attack on Roberts character or dedication to the site? <br
There is no doubt that Robert and others have put alot into this site and that work is highly appreciated. It is in RESPECT for that work that improvements were suggested
Not as criticism <br
The intent of the letter stands and I STILL have not had answers to the questions. Questions that had been asked years ago as well <br
Could the letter have been written a bit kinder, I will concede that <br
As for the observation about the age of participants, AGAIN, it was not meant to be critical but trying to discern the key audience that the site was targeted to. As was stated in the letter, I don't want to make suggestions that were out of touch with that audience. I don't honestly believe, as I haven't been apprised otherwise, that the site is meant to be targeted to any particular age group. But some of the things that have been said, especially in the past imply otherwise. Personally, I am not ageist <br
If there is any gripe it is legit and that is that there is an "attitude" that has been prevalent since I'm sure before I joined in late 2002 and that is that only certain older appliances from like the 1950s are "desirable" and Poo on that stuff from the 70s and 80s. ??? what the _uck?
where did THAT come from?
And this is my QUESTION? <br
It is one thing to like what you like and go after that, but to have the need to step on what other peoples interests are suggests that one feels insecure. Like a group of white people who feel the need to pump themselves up by stepping on Black people. Unacceptable
Neither the 1970s ,certainly not the 1950s or ANY decades appliances or styles for that matter are KING. Though I have to admit that I have been more biased AGAINST the 1950s after dealing with the attitudes I have seen here (and the last 7 years of republican "lets recreate the 1950s" spittle). <br
There have been times when I needed help with something and didn't bother to ask here because I didn't feel that there was a receptive audience. How can that be that one doesn't feel comfortable asking an appliance question in an appliance forum? And there have been times when questions have been asked and there was no response. Lately, there has been blatant false information handed out, especially in the pink forum. <br
There is certainly nothing wrong with having a website dedicated to appliances from just a certain time period say the 1950s or 1960s. Or more preferred the 1970s and 1980s. <br
If that is the case than do it
Otherwise the way the site is set up now it is discriminatory. Each person values something different. There is no need for that discrimination. Discrimination yet another 1950s trait - I strongly dislike <br
As for the graphics. It wasn't said that they were bad. I personnally like them. It was suggested to ADD to them <br
And the suggestion about changing the rooms. Clearly the green room doesnt't get used as much as the rest. And there is the occasion where people with service issues are looking for help in making a repair. They often end up in there and then they are gone. In order to post they have to fill out a profile. So we have how many hundreds of profiles on people that will never get used taking up server space. These are along with the profiles of legit dedicated members- of which some of you need to do a better job of filling out I think. People looking for service information need to fill out something before posting thats for sure but why waste a profile on them. <br
Or if we don't want to provide a forum for people to ask service questions, post on the front page that we are not a free advice giving site <br
Also, I don't believe there is an area of the site that gives credit to those members who have put together the site. It would be nice to know for whom we all should be giving credit <br
So, proudly, I wrote the letter and Thank-you Robert for posting. It is the responsibility of ALL of us as members of a Democracy to speak up and make an effort to maintain our society. No one and nothing is above questioning. Anybody can sit back and go with the flow. I expect better and frankly I think most people do too. <br
This is a wonderful site if I didn't think so I wouldn't have bothered with the inquiry. If there are those who feel I shouldn't bother, I invite you to let me know <br
I'm glad that we were able to have this discussion and am saddened that at the moment, it won't be retrievable in the future to show the COMPLETE history of the site. <br <br <br <br <br <br <br <br <br
Endora...
How about turning the presumptious one into a '57 Control Tower Frigidaire washer/dryer set <br
At least that way it'll be of some value ;-
How about turning the presumptious one into a '57 Control Tower Frigidaire washer/dryer set <br
At least that way it'll be of some value ;-
Erik,
I shall speak frankly. I can only speak for myself
Whatever your intent may have been, I read your first missive and came away with a very negative impression
After reading your second, I wish to speak from my own experiences on this site
I can't think of anyone who holds as many controversial and contradictory opinions as I do. My interests, likes and dislikes span decades and continents. At one time or another, I have managed to either offend, amuse (or both) pretty much every one here
Without question, when I have had a genuine problem or question or needed help - and in my family's situation I do need help, frequently - folks here have helped me
Do I share Robert's every passion? Nope. Do I agree with his every decision? Nope. Do I feel I have any entitlement to comment or be offended by such? Nope.
This is not, at least from my viewpoint, a democracy. It is Robert's living room and he has graciously invited me to spend some time in his personal space. He is my host - and a very tolerant, pleasant, forgiving and thoroughly delightful one at that. As his guest, it is not my place to rudely disagree with this, that or the other aspect of how he has arranged things. If I did not feel comfortable here, I would not be here. And, as his guest, it is my duty...one I do not always succeed in fulfilling, to be pleasant to his other guests
Now, if Robert asks - as he frequently does - for our opinion on things and if, as he so often has - he accomodates our desires, great
A few years back, one of my oldest friends was confined to a santorium here in Munich. His wife, whom I only knew socially, could not afford a flat here as well as their home and business in the country, four hours away. I invited her to use an empty room in my apartment. This woman, who is a vegan, politically, aesthetically, religiously and in every single way different to me chipped in on the cleaning, shopping, upkeep, entertaining...all the grunt work of living in a house. She never once asked me to change anything in my home...and I must confess it took me a while to think to ask her if I might make any changes to accomodate her. My point: She worked hard to keep our place up, she didn't just piss and moan and bitch at me for having (gasp) honey in the cupboard, leather on the sofas..
Maybe, if you really feel that things need doing around here, you could copy a leaf from her book: Instead of telling Robert what all is wrong here, you could try asking him if there is anything you could help him with
(Disclaimer: Personally, I think the site is great and Robert brilliant. As far as the super forum goes, if I see something there I don't want to lose, I archive it meself. Not a big problem in this terabyte server world we all live in now-a-days.
It is not hard to think of similiar clubs which are torn by constant strife and bickering. Let's please not go that way here
Panthera
I shall speak frankly. I can only speak for myself
Whatever your intent may have been, I read your first missive and came away with a very negative impression
After reading your second, I wish to speak from my own experiences on this site
I can't think of anyone who holds as many controversial and contradictory opinions as I do. My interests, likes and dislikes span decades and continents. At one time or another, I have managed to either offend, amuse (or both) pretty much every one here
Without question, when I have had a genuine problem or question or needed help - and in my family's situation I do need help, frequently - folks here have helped me
Do I share Robert's every passion? Nope. Do I agree with his every decision? Nope. Do I feel I have any entitlement to comment or be offended by such? Nope.
This is not, at least from my viewpoint, a democracy. It is Robert's living room and he has graciously invited me to spend some time in his personal space. He is my host - and a very tolerant, pleasant, forgiving and thoroughly delightful one at that. As his guest, it is not my place to rudely disagree with this, that or the other aspect of how he has arranged things. If I did not feel comfortable here, I would not be here. And, as his guest, it is my duty...one I do not always succeed in fulfilling, to be pleasant to his other guests
Now, if Robert asks - as he frequently does - for our opinion on things and if, as he so often has - he accomodates our desires, great
A few years back, one of my oldest friends was confined to a santorium here in Munich. His wife, whom I only knew socially, could not afford a flat here as well as their home and business in the country, four hours away. I invited her to use an empty room in my apartment. This woman, who is a vegan, politically, aesthetically, religiously and in every single way different to me chipped in on the cleaning, shopping, upkeep, entertaining...all the grunt work of living in a house. She never once asked me to change anything in my home...and I must confess it took me a while to think to ask her if I might make any changes to accomodate her. My point: She worked hard to keep our place up, she didn't just piss and moan and bitch at me for having (gasp) honey in the cupboard, leather on the sofas..
Maybe, if you really feel that things need doing around here, you could copy a leaf from her book: Instead of telling Robert what all is wrong here, you could try asking him if there is anything you could help him with
(Disclaimer: Personally, I think the site is great and Robert brilliant. As far as the super forum goes, if I see something there I don't want to lose, I archive it meself. Not a big problem in this terabyte server world we all live in now-a-days.
It is not hard to think of similiar clubs which are torn by constant strife and bickering. Let's please not go that way here
Panthera
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This website is marvelous the way it is!!! The first time I came it was astounding, since then my idea hasn't changed, plus the graphic is nice and simple... as it should be! So give him/her a big big D I as love artichokes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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aww, i have a feeling Washertalk didnt mean to be wicked. sometimes we all say the wrong thing <br
you have to have real trust with a person before you (figuratively speaking) start suggesting a better way to decorate their house or tell them how to dress <br
if the group leans towards pre-70s items i dont think its Roberts fault. he doesnt tell everyone what to like <br
Some people might wonder why all the rallying around Robert? Robert is a true Star. When youre as creative and generous and warm as Robert appears to be, your light cannot be contained.
you have to have real trust with a person before you (figuratively speaking) start suggesting a better way to decorate their house or tell them how to dress <br
if the group leans towards pre-70s items i dont think its Roberts fault. he doesnt tell everyone what to like <br
Some people might wonder why all the rallying around Robert? Robert is a true Star. When youre as creative and generous and warm as Robert appears to be, your light cannot be contained.
Hello Mr Artichoke ;- <br
It's brave that you came out. Thank you for doing that. I must say though that I agree with Keven <br
What I find particularly unfortunate is that Robert has put a lot of time and energy in this website and does this besides a quite busy job. As a frequent reader/user of this website you must have noticed Robert mentioning he is very busy sometimes. And now you are asking from him to put more time into this site to change it. I think you don't realize what that means. Did you ever maintain a website or perhaps even built one by yourself? You would know how time consuming that is. Apart from all the constant mails he gets from members and visitors (including yours) he has to deal with every day. Frankly I think we cannot ask from Robert to invest even more. After all, I'm sure he wants to have time left for his appliances. That's what we are here for, aren't we? The website is not the goal, the appliances are <br
So, forget your suggestions and just enjoy the website. Things are never going to be perfect, although I must say this website comes pretty close <br
Thanks again Robert for this website and letting me be a part of it <br
And for you mr Artichoke, I hope it doesn't hurt to be one! ;-)
It's brave that you came out. Thank you for doing that. I must say though that I agree with Keven <br
What I find particularly unfortunate is that Robert has put a lot of time and energy in this website and does this besides a quite busy job. As a frequent reader/user of this website you must have noticed Robert mentioning he is very busy sometimes. And now you are asking from him to put more time into this site to change it. I think you don't realize what that means. Did you ever maintain a website or perhaps even built one by yourself? You would know how time consuming that is. Apart from all the constant mails he gets from members and visitors (including yours) he has to deal with every day. Frankly I think we cannot ask from Robert to invest even more. After all, I'm sure he wants to have time left for his appliances. That's what we are here for, aren't we? The website is not the goal, the appliances are <br
So, forget your suggestions and just enjoy the website. Things are never going to be perfect, although I must say this website comes pretty close <br
Thanks again Robert for this website and letting me be a part of it <br
And for you mr Artichoke, I hope it doesn't hurt to be one! ;-)
vinvac
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Panthera <br
Very well put!!
I think we all forget that Robert is doing this for us...sharing it with us... as a guest in his wonderful home and I might add a perfect host <br
Morgan
Very well put!!
I think we all forget that Robert is doing this for us...sharing it with us... as a guest in his wonderful home and I might add a perfect host <br
Morgan
about the appliances/ guests
both excellent points <br
We're guests in Robert's house - and really the whole point is the Appliances - not the site itself <br
You can save all the photos you see here on the site youself easily, and there you have them - archived <br
B
both excellent points <br
We're guests in Robert's house - and really the whole point is the Appliances - not the site itself <br
You can save all the photos you see here on the site youself easily, and there you have them - archived <br
B
mayken4now
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C <br
Differences will always be, questions are common human ways. <br
I say, if something is so offensive, go away. If you need more than one place can offer you, get or make your own <br
Steve
Differences will always be, questions are common human ways. <br
I say, if something is so offensive, go away. If you need more than one place can offer you, get or make your own <br
Steve
westyslantfront
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Hi Robert. I enjoy the website very much. You work hard to maintain it <br
DDDDDD-Turn the guy into an artichoke <br <br
Ross
DDDDDD-Turn the guy into an artichoke <br <br
Ross
bethann
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OH CRAP !
Sometimes it's nice for input but, you have to wait until your asked <br
I'm just glad the purse fight between Veg and myself two or three years ago is gone. LOL!
Sometimes it's nice for input but, you have to wait until your asked <br
I'm just glad the purse fight between Veg and myself two or three years ago is gone. LOL!
Erik, bravo for having the balls to come forth. As I stated above I didn't quite understand what you were talking about
I guess we must have different vision because quite honestly I can't see any of the sort of discrimination you're talking about re 50's vs new appliances. I just can't see it
I guess we must have different vision because quite honestly I can't see any of the sort of discrimination you're talking about re 50's vs new appliances. I just can't see it
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"Discrimination yet another 1950s trait - I strongly dislike." <br
I am appalled at that statement. Discrimination has existed well before the 50's and continues into the present time. Some of us will agree quite strongly as we have been partnered for many years and yet we are not afforded the same benefits as other married couples...in the year 2007!!! I'm certain some of our forum participants have had the "pleasure" of walking down the hallways in school being taunted with the word "Faggot"in the 60's 70's and yes it still continues. And can we say Stonewall??? Oh, and the comment about whites beating up on blacks for satisfaction, well there is reverse discrimination that exists today. <br
With all due respect, this time, you only opened your mouth to change feet <br
Robb
I am appalled at that statement. Discrimination has existed well before the 50's and continues into the present time. Some of us will agree quite strongly as we have been partnered for many years and yet we are not afforded the same benefits as other married couples...in the year 2007!!! I'm certain some of our forum participants have had the "pleasure" of walking down the hallways in school being taunted with the word "Faggot"in the 60's 70's and yes it still continues. And can we say Stonewall??? Oh, and the comment about whites beating up on blacks for satisfaction, well there is reverse discrimination that exists today. <br
With all due respect, this time, you only opened your mouth to change feet <br
Robb
