andrewinorlando
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I like this place just the way it is....and have for years. But I vote for C.
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~sudsshane
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for Robert...
hellooo...Samantha!
hellooo...Samantha!
whirlcool
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OK, here is my suggestion: <br
First, open your mouth wide and hiss like a cat. <br
Next (que up spell casting chimes) <br
<I>Head of a Vixe
Tail from a ho
I'm the one in charge her
So if you don't like this.. off the site you go! </I <br
Seriously, I can see how some of the letter had some constructive critisism in it. A lot of us would like the Super stuff to hang around longer.
The idea of the graphics being outdated is kinda funny. If you really have used this site for awhile, you would realize they are there for a reason... to define some of the attributes of the sites subject matter.
Oh well, you can't please all of the people all of the time!
First, open your mouth wide and hiss like a cat. <br
Next (que up spell casting chimes) <br
<I>Head of a Vixe
Tail from a ho
I'm the one in charge her
So if you don't like this.. off the site you go! </I <br
Seriously, I can see how some of the letter had some constructive critisism in it. A lot of us would like the Super stuff to hang around longer.
The idea of the graphics being outdated is kinda funny. If you really have used this site for awhile, you would realize they are there for a reason... to define some of the attributes of the sites subject matter.
Oh well, you can't please all of the people all of the time!
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Oh Wow.....
I love this site the way it is also.....
Their opinion is not all that important.....
Is it
relax......breath deep.....no incantations....Karma....remember....Karma....Don't let it bite you in the bum......
Brent
I love this site the way it is also.....
Their opinion is not all that important.....
Is it
relax......breath deep.....no incantations....Karma....remember....Karma....Don't let it bite you in the bum......
Brent
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figurers you would vote for "C" Andrew......
Don't make plans next week on my birthday..Liz will be in town.
Don't make plans next week on my birthday..Liz will be in town.
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Chill out people !!
really. Quite a few magicians in here.
How does a letter that is sent out of CONCERN for the site, suggesting possible improvements and asking for clarifications about the site
Turn int
a personal attack on Roberts character or dedication to the site? <br
There is no doubt that Robert and others have put alot into this site and that work is highly appreciated. It is in RESPECT for that work that improvements were suggested
Not as criticism <br
The intent of the letter stands and I STILL have not had answers to the questions. Questions that had been asked years ago as well <br
Could the letter have been written a bit kinder, I will concede that <br
As for the observation about the age of participants, AGAIN, it was not meant to be critical but trying to discern the key audience that the site was targeted to. As was stated in the letter, I don't want to make suggestions that were out of touch with that audience. I don't honestly believe, as I haven't been apprised otherwise, that the site is meant to be targeted to any particular age group. But some of the things that have been said, especially in the past imply otherwise. Personally, I am not ageist <br
If there is any gripe it is legit and that is that there is an "attitude" that has been prevalent since I'm sure before I joined in late 2002 and that is that only certain older appliances from like the 1950s are "desirable" and Poo on that stuff from the 70s and 80s. ??? what the _uck?
where did THAT come from?
And this is my QUESTION? <br
It is one thing to like what you like and go after that, but to have the need to step on what other peoples interests are suggests that one feels insecure. Like a group of white people who feel the need to pump themselves up by stepping on Black people. Unacceptable
Neither the 1970s ,certainly not the 1950s or ANY decades appliances or styles for that matter are KING. Though I have to admit that I have been more biased AGAINST the 1950s after dealing with the attitudes I have seen here (and the last 7 years of republican "lets recreate the 1950s" spittle). <br
There have been times when I needed help with something and didn't bother to ask here because I didn't feel that there was a receptive audience. How can that be that one doesn't feel comfortable asking an appliance question in an appliance forum? And there have been times when questions have been asked and there was no response. Lately, there has been blatant false information handed out, especially in the pink forum. <br
There is certainly nothing wrong with having a website dedicated to appliances from just a certain time period say the 1950s or 1960s. Or more preferred the 1970s and 1980s. <br
If that is the case than do it
Otherwise the way the site is set up now it is discriminatory. Each person values something different. There is no need for that discrimination. Discrimination yet another 1950s trait - I strongly dislike <br
As for the graphics. It wasn't said that they were bad. I personnally like them. It was suggested to ADD to them <br
And the suggestion about changing the rooms. Clearly the green room doesnt't get used as much as the rest. And there is the occasion where people with service issues are looking for help in making a repair. They often end up in there and then they are gone. In order to post they have to fill out a profile. So we have how many hundreds of profiles on people that will never get used taking up server space. These are along with the profiles of legit dedicated members- of which some of you need to do a better job of filling out I think. People looking for service information need to fill out something before posting thats for sure but why waste a profile on them. <br
Or if we don't want to provide a forum for people to ask service questions, post on the front page that we are not a free advice giving site <br
Also, I don't believe there is an area of the site that gives credit to those members who have put together the site. It would be nice to know for whom we all should be giving credit <br
So, proudly, I wrote the letter and Thank-you Robert for posting. It is the responsibility of ALL of us as members of a Democracy to speak up and make an effort to maintain our society. No one and nothing is above questioning. Anybody can sit back and go with the flow. I expect better and frankly I think most people do too. <br
This is a wonderful site if I didn't think so I wouldn't have bothered with the inquiry. If there are those who feel I shouldn't bother, I invite you to let me know <br
I'm glad that we were able to have this discussion and am saddened that at the moment, it won't be retrievable in the future to show the COMPLETE history of the site. <br <br <br <br <br <br <br <br <br
really. Quite a few magicians in here.
How does a letter that is sent out of CONCERN for the site, suggesting possible improvements and asking for clarifications about the site
Turn int
a personal attack on Roberts character or dedication to the site? <br
There is no doubt that Robert and others have put alot into this site and that work is highly appreciated. It is in RESPECT for that work that improvements were suggested
Not as criticism <br
The intent of the letter stands and I STILL have not had answers to the questions. Questions that had been asked years ago as well <br
Could the letter have been written a bit kinder, I will concede that <br
As for the observation about the age of participants, AGAIN, it was not meant to be critical but trying to discern the key audience that the site was targeted to. As was stated in the letter, I don't want to make suggestions that were out of touch with that audience. I don't honestly believe, as I haven't been apprised otherwise, that the site is meant to be targeted to any particular age group. But some of the things that have been said, especially in the past imply otherwise. Personally, I am not ageist <br
If there is any gripe it is legit and that is that there is an "attitude" that has been prevalent since I'm sure before I joined in late 2002 and that is that only certain older appliances from like the 1950s are "desirable" and Poo on that stuff from the 70s and 80s. ??? what the _uck?
where did THAT come from?
And this is my QUESTION? <br
It is one thing to like what you like and go after that, but to have the need to step on what other peoples interests are suggests that one feels insecure. Like a group of white people who feel the need to pump themselves up by stepping on Black people. Unacceptable
Neither the 1970s ,certainly not the 1950s or ANY decades appliances or styles for that matter are KING. Though I have to admit that I have been more biased AGAINST the 1950s after dealing with the attitudes I have seen here (and the last 7 years of republican "lets recreate the 1950s" spittle). <br
There have been times when I needed help with something and didn't bother to ask here because I didn't feel that there was a receptive audience. How can that be that one doesn't feel comfortable asking an appliance question in an appliance forum? And there have been times when questions have been asked and there was no response. Lately, there has been blatant false information handed out, especially in the pink forum. <br
There is certainly nothing wrong with having a website dedicated to appliances from just a certain time period say the 1950s or 1960s. Or more preferred the 1970s and 1980s. <br
If that is the case than do it
Otherwise the way the site is set up now it is discriminatory. Each person values something different. There is no need for that discrimination. Discrimination yet another 1950s trait - I strongly dislike <br
As for the graphics. It wasn't said that they were bad. I personnally like them. It was suggested to ADD to them <br
And the suggestion about changing the rooms. Clearly the green room doesnt't get used as much as the rest. And there is the occasion where people with service issues are looking for help in making a repair. They often end up in there and then they are gone. In order to post they have to fill out a profile. So we have how many hundreds of profiles on people that will never get used taking up server space. These are along with the profiles of legit dedicated members- of which some of you need to do a better job of filling out I think. People looking for service information need to fill out something before posting thats for sure but why waste a profile on them. <br
Or if we don't want to provide a forum for people to ask service questions, post on the front page that we are not a free advice giving site <br
Also, I don't believe there is an area of the site that gives credit to those members who have put together the site. It would be nice to know for whom we all should be giving credit <br
So, proudly, I wrote the letter and Thank-you Robert for posting. It is the responsibility of ALL of us as members of a Democracy to speak up and make an effort to maintain our society. No one and nothing is above questioning. Anybody can sit back and go with the flow. I expect better and frankly I think most people do too. <br
This is a wonderful site if I didn't think so I wouldn't have bothered with the inquiry. If there are those who feel I shouldn't bother, I invite you to let me know <br
I'm glad that we were able to have this discussion and am saddened that at the moment, it won't be retrievable in the future to show the COMPLETE history of the site. <br <br <br <br <br <br <br <br <br
sudsmaster
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Endora...
How about turning the presumptious one into a '57 Control Tower Frigidaire washer/dryer set <br
At least that way it'll be of some value ;-
How about turning the presumptious one into a '57 Control Tower Frigidaire washer/dryer set <br
At least that way it'll be of some value ;-
Erik,
I shall speak frankly. I can only speak for myself
Whatever your intent may have been, I read your first missive and came away with a very negative impression
After reading your second, I wish to speak from my own experiences on this site
I can't think of anyone who holds as many controversial and contradictory opinions as I do. My interests, likes and dislikes span decades and continents. At one time or another, I have managed to either offend, amuse (or both) pretty much every one here
Without question, when I have had a genuine problem or question or needed help - and in my family's situation I do need help, frequently - folks here have helped me
Do I share Robert's every passion? Nope. Do I agree with his every decision? Nope. Do I feel I have any entitlement to comment or be offended by such? Nope.
This is not, at least from my viewpoint, a democracy. It is Robert's living room and he has graciously invited me to spend some time in his personal space. He is my host - and a very tolerant, pleasant, forgiving and thoroughly delightful one at that. As his guest, it is not my place to rudely disagree with this, that or the other aspect of how he has arranged things. If I did not feel comfortable here, I would not be here. And, as his guest, it is my duty...one I do not always succeed in fulfilling, to be pleasant to his other guests
Now, if Robert asks - as he frequently does - for our opinion on things and if, as he so often has - he accomodates our desires, great
A few years back, one of my oldest friends was confined to a santorium here in Munich. His wife, whom I only knew socially, could not afford a flat here as well as their home and business in the country, four hours away. I invited her to use an empty room in my apartment. This woman, who is a vegan, politically, aesthetically, religiously and in every single way different to me chipped in on the cleaning, shopping, upkeep, entertaining...all the grunt work of living in a house. She never once asked me to change anything in my home...and I must confess it took me a while to think to ask her if I might make any changes to accomodate her. My point: She worked hard to keep our place up, she didn't just piss and moan and bitch at me for having (gasp) honey in the cupboard, leather on the sofas..
Maybe, if you really feel that things need doing around here, you could copy a leaf from her book: Instead of telling Robert what all is wrong here, you could try asking him if there is anything you could help him with
(Disclaimer: Personally, I think the site is great and Robert brilliant. As far as the super forum goes, if I see something there I don't want to lose, I archive it meself. Not a big problem in this terabyte server world we all live in now-a-days.
It is not hard to think of similiar clubs which are torn by constant strife and bickering. Let's please not go that way here
Panthera
I shall speak frankly. I can only speak for myself
Whatever your intent may have been, I read your first missive and came away with a very negative impression
After reading your second, I wish to speak from my own experiences on this site
I can't think of anyone who holds as many controversial and contradictory opinions as I do. My interests, likes and dislikes span decades and continents. At one time or another, I have managed to either offend, amuse (or both) pretty much every one here
Without question, when I have had a genuine problem or question or needed help - and in my family's situation I do need help, frequently - folks here have helped me
Do I share Robert's every passion? Nope. Do I agree with his every decision? Nope. Do I feel I have any entitlement to comment or be offended by such? Nope.
This is not, at least from my viewpoint, a democracy. It is Robert's living room and he has graciously invited me to spend some time in his personal space. He is my host - and a very tolerant, pleasant, forgiving and thoroughly delightful one at that. As his guest, it is not my place to rudely disagree with this, that or the other aspect of how he has arranged things. If I did not feel comfortable here, I would not be here. And, as his guest, it is my duty...one I do not always succeed in fulfilling, to be pleasant to his other guests
Now, if Robert asks - as he frequently does - for our opinion on things and if, as he so often has - he accomodates our desires, great
A few years back, one of my oldest friends was confined to a santorium here in Munich. His wife, whom I only knew socially, could not afford a flat here as well as their home and business in the country, four hours away. I invited her to use an empty room in my apartment. This woman, who is a vegan, politically, aesthetically, religiously and in every single way different to me chipped in on the cleaning, shopping, upkeep, entertaining...all the grunt work of living in a house. She never once asked me to change anything in my home...and I must confess it took me a while to think to ask her if I might make any changes to accomodate her. My point: She worked hard to keep our place up, she didn't just piss and moan and bitch at me for having (gasp) honey in the cupboard, leather on the sofas..
Maybe, if you really feel that things need doing around here, you could copy a leaf from her book: Instead of telling Robert what all is wrong here, you could try asking him if there is anything you could help him with
(Disclaimer: Personally, I think the site is great and Robert brilliant. As far as the super forum goes, if I see something there I don't want to lose, I archive it meself. Not a big problem in this terabyte server world we all live in now-a-days.
It is not hard to think of similiar clubs which are torn by constant strife and bickering. Let's please not go that way here
Panthera
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This website is marvelous the way it is!!! The first time I came it was astounding, since then my idea hasn't changed, plus the graphic is nice and simple... as it should be! So give him/her a big big D I as love artichokes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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aww, i have a feeling Washertalk didnt mean to be wicked. sometimes we all say the wrong thing <br
you have to have real trust with a person before you (figuratively speaking) start suggesting a better way to decorate their house or tell them how to dress <br
if the group leans towards pre-70s items i dont think its Roberts fault. he doesnt tell everyone what to like <br
Some people might wonder why all the rallying around Robert? Robert is a true Star. When youre as creative and generous and warm as Robert appears to be, your light cannot be contained.
you have to have real trust with a person before you (figuratively speaking) start suggesting a better way to decorate their house or tell them how to dress <br
if the group leans towards pre-70s items i dont think its Roberts fault. he doesnt tell everyone what to like <br
Some people might wonder why all the rallying around Robert? Robert is a true Star. When youre as creative and generous and warm as Robert appears to be, your light cannot be contained.
Hello Mr Artichoke ;- <br
It's brave that you came out. Thank you for doing that. I must say though that I agree with Keven <br
What I find particularly unfortunate is that Robert has put a lot of time and energy in this website and does this besides a quite busy job. As a frequent reader/user of this website you must have noticed Robert mentioning he is very busy sometimes. And now you are asking from him to put more time into this site to change it. I think you don't realize what that means. Did you ever maintain a website or perhaps even built one by yourself? You would know how time consuming that is. Apart from all the constant mails he gets from members and visitors (including yours) he has to deal with every day. Frankly I think we cannot ask from Robert to invest even more. After all, I'm sure he wants to have time left for his appliances. That's what we are here for, aren't we? The website is not the goal, the appliances are <br
So, forget your suggestions and just enjoy the website. Things are never going to be perfect, although I must say this website comes pretty close <br
Thanks again Robert for this website and letting me be a part of it <br
And for you mr Artichoke, I hope it doesn't hurt to be one! ;-)
It's brave that you came out. Thank you for doing that. I must say though that I agree with Keven <br
What I find particularly unfortunate is that Robert has put a lot of time and energy in this website and does this besides a quite busy job. As a frequent reader/user of this website you must have noticed Robert mentioning he is very busy sometimes. And now you are asking from him to put more time into this site to change it. I think you don't realize what that means. Did you ever maintain a website or perhaps even built one by yourself? You would know how time consuming that is. Apart from all the constant mails he gets from members and visitors (including yours) he has to deal with every day. Frankly I think we cannot ask from Robert to invest even more. After all, I'm sure he wants to have time left for his appliances. That's what we are here for, aren't we? The website is not the goal, the appliances are <br
So, forget your suggestions and just enjoy the website. Things are never going to be perfect, although I must say this website comes pretty close <br
Thanks again Robert for this website and letting me be a part of it <br
And for you mr Artichoke, I hope it doesn't hurt to be one! ;-)
vinvac
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Panthera <br
Very well put!!
I think we all forget that Robert is doing this for us...sharing it with us... as a guest in his wonderful home and I might add a perfect host <br
Morgan
Very well put!!
I think we all forget that Robert is doing this for us...sharing it with us... as a guest in his wonderful home and I might add a perfect host <br
Morgan
about the appliances/ guests
both excellent points <br
We're guests in Robert's house - and really the whole point is the Appliances - not the site itself <br
You can save all the photos you see here on the site youself easily, and there you have them - archived <br
B
both excellent points <br
We're guests in Robert's house - and really the whole point is the Appliances - not the site itself <br
You can save all the photos you see here on the site youself easily, and there you have them - archived <br
B
mayken4now
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C <br
Differences will always be, questions are common human ways. <br
I say, if something is so offensive, go away. If you need more than one place can offer you, get or make your own <br
Steve
Differences will always be, questions are common human ways. <br
I say, if something is so offensive, go away. If you need more than one place can offer you, get or make your own <br
Steve
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Hi Robert. I enjoy the website very much. You work hard to maintain it <br
DDDDDD-Turn the guy into an artichoke <br <br
Ross
DDDDDD-Turn the guy into an artichoke <br <br
Ross
bethann
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OH CRAP !
Sometimes it's nice for input but, you have to wait until your asked <br
I'm just glad the purse fight between Veg and myself two or three years ago is gone. LOL!
Sometimes it's nice for input but, you have to wait until your asked <br
I'm just glad the purse fight between Veg and myself two or three years ago is gone. LOL!
Erik, bravo for having the balls to come forth. As I stated above I didn't quite understand what you were talking about
I guess we must have different vision because quite honestly I can't see any of the sort of discrimination you're talking about re 50's vs new appliances. I just can't see it
I guess we must have different vision because quite honestly I can't see any of the sort of discrimination you're talking about re 50's vs new appliances. I just can't see it
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"Discrimination yet another 1950s trait - I strongly dislike." <br
I am appalled at that statement. Discrimination has existed well before the 50's and continues into the present time. Some of us will agree quite strongly as we have been partnered for many years and yet we are not afforded the same benefits as other married couples...in the year 2007!!! I'm certain some of our forum participants have had the "pleasure" of walking down the hallways in school being taunted with the word "Faggot"in the 60's 70's and yes it still continues. And can we say Stonewall??? Oh, and the comment about whites beating up on blacks for satisfaction, well there is reverse discrimination that exists today. <br
With all due respect, this time, you only opened your mouth to change feet <br
Robb
I am appalled at that statement. Discrimination has existed well before the 50's and continues into the present time. Some of us will agree quite strongly as we have been partnered for many years and yet we are not afforded the same benefits as other married couples...in the year 2007!!! I'm certain some of our forum participants have had the "pleasure" of walking down the hallways in school being taunted with the word "Faggot"in the 60's 70's and yes it still continues. And can we say Stonewall??? Oh, and the comment about whites beating up on blacks for satisfaction, well there is reverse discrimination that exists today. <br
With all due respect, this time, you only opened your mouth to change feet <br
Robb
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Now there are 2 Artichokes
POOF!!
POOF!!
Plain and simple............
I like it just the way that it is. <br
I have never felt discriminated here, even though I am a minority here (a woman and hetero, as well as being in my mid 30's). Everyone answers my appliance questions with the respect that each of us deserve and expect. Yes, occassionally there are a few "whackos" that come and post (and thankfully leave), but for the most part, it's perfect. Some people may prefer older appliances above newer appliances but that's the beauty of this site, everyone is different and unique. In the end, it's you that you have to be happy with and if you are not happy with yourself, then go away until you get to that "special place". Otherwise you will just expect the world to revolve around your wants and needs and guess what? It's not going to happen. <br
I wanted to pick D for artichoke but I love artichokes so I am picking C, since I do that quite often while driving!
I like it just the way that it is. <br
I have never felt discriminated here, even though I am a minority here (a woman and hetero, as well as being in my mid 30's). Everyone answers my appliance questions with the respect that each of us deserve and expect. Yes, occassionally there are a few "whackos" that come and post (and thankfully leave), but for the most part, it's perfect. Some people may prefer older appliances above newer appliances but that's the beauty of this site, everyone is different and unique. In the end, it's you that you have to be happy with and if you are not happy with yourself, then go away until you get to that "special place". Otherwise you will just expect the world to revolve around your wants and needs and guess what? It's not going to happen. <br
I wanted to pick D for artichoke but I love artichokes so I am picking C, since I do that quite often while driving!
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You know, Louis makes an excellent point, folks....before dreaming up ways to change this site, please consider the time its creator has to put into maintaining and making those changes. Having done this myself, it's no easy or simple task....it's time consuming, requires much programming and testing to get it right and then maintain. It's truly a labor of love, 'cause he sure ain't gettin' paid for it! <br
So let's keep on enjoying it, and appreciate what we do have here. We don't always have to agree (and God knows we don't), but we can at least show our appreciation by respecting Robert's time. Erik, I know you didn't mean anything derogatory by your e-mail, but you sure could have written it a lot nicer!
So let's keep on enjoying it, and appreciate what we do have here. We don't always have to agree (and God knows we don't), but we can at least show our appreciation by respecting Robert's time. Erik, I know you didn't mean anything derogatory by your e-mail, but you sure could have written it a lot nicer!
<i>The intent of the letter stands and I STILL have not had answers to the questions.</i
I don't believe I ever did gave any specific reasons for stopping the archiving of the Super Forum, just like I didn't give any specific reasons for removing the background wallpaper from the Super Forum postings, just like I didn't give any specific reason for recently changing the code to prevent Google or any other search engine from crawling and listing posts out of the Super Forum. I had my reasons for doing all three and they were all related to one another. I believe my reasons for making those change are prudent to the long term health of the site as well as my reason for not discussing my decision about them openly was also prudent. I have told a few select people exactly why I decided to do that and they have agreed with my reasoning as well, that's good enough for me. So in other words, it’s staying exactly as it is and no further explanation is necessary <br
<i> Otherwise the way the site is set up now it is discriminatory.</i
I don’t agree with that <br
<i> Or if we don't want to provide a forum for people to ask service questions, post on the front page that we are not a free advice giving site.</i
Boy you do have some nerve don’t you, what’s this “WE” shit, I’m the one who has to do all the work. And for your information I would never post something like that on the front page, that’s even more rude than the tone of you original email <br
<i> Lately, there has been blatant false information handed out, especially in the pink forum.</i
Like <br
<i> Also, I don't believe there is an area of the site that gives credit to those members who have put together the site. It would be nice to know for whom we all should be giving credit.</i
Well let’s see
I researched how to create a website and thought myself how to do it
I thought myself Perl, JavaScript and HTML so I could write the site
I designed the site from scratch,
I wrote the code from scratch because all the canned programs I thought were boring and I wanted this site to stand out and be special,
I scanned and put together everything you see on the site
I maintained and continue to this day to do the work of maintaining this site 24/7/365
I funded 100% of the costs to run this site out of my own pocket, with the following exceptions
1. One year I asked for donations to pay the server fees, which covered most of the fees but it was more trouble that it was worth so I never asked again, it’s just easier for me to pay for it, and..
2. For about three years the videos of the site (this is in the pre-YouTube days) were stored on another server and paid mainly by Jon Charles (Jetcone), Glen (Dadoes) also contributed financially to the video site at the end. But now since bandwidth has become so much cheaper, everything is simply stored on the aw.org server, which as you see is paid for 100% by me <br
So my point is there is no need for a button giving credit, because I have no desire to ring my own bell so to speak <br
But truly the real credit of the success of this site goes out to all of it’s members and how they contribute to the site with the postings in all three forums, without that this site would be absolutely nothing more than a bunch of videos and pictures of vintage washers <br
Now I’m done with all this, and by the way everyone, I sure do appreciate everyone’s help with dealing with people like this. This is the kind of help I REALLY do need in running this site as I really do not have the time nor the desire to deal with crap like this
I don't believe I ever did gave any specific reasons for stopping the archiving of the Super Forum, just like I didn't give any specific reasons for removing the background wallpaper from the Super Forum postings, just like I didn't give any specific reason for recently changing the code to prevent Google or any other search engine from crawling and listing posts out of the Super Forum. I had my reasons for doing all three and they were all related to one another. I believe my reasons for making those change are prudent to the long term health of the site as well as my reason for not discussing my decision about them openly was also prudent. I have told a few select people exactly why I decided to do that and they have agreed with my reasoning as well, that's good enough for me. So in other words, it’s staying exactly as it is and no further explanation is necessary <br
<i> Otherwise the way the site is set up now it is discriminatory.</i
I don’t agree with that <br
<i> Or if we don't want to provide a forum for people to ask service questions, post on the front page that we are not a free advice giving site.</i
Boy you do have some nerve don’t you, what’s this “WE” shit, I’m the one who has to do all the work. And for your information I would never post something like that on the front page, that’s even more rude than the tone of you original email <br
<i> Lately, there has been blatant false information handed out, especially in the pink forum.</i
Like <br
<i> Also, I don't believe there is an area of the site that gives credit to those members who have put together the site. It would be nice to know for whom we all should be giving credit.</i
Well let’s see
I researched how to create a website and thought myself how to do it
I thought myself Perl, JavaScript and HTML so I could write the site
I designed the site from scratch,
I wrote the code from scratch because all the canned programs I thought were boring and I wanted this site to stand out and be special,
I scanned and put together everything you see on the site
I maintained and continue to this day to do the work of maintaining this site 24/7/365
I funded 100% of the costs to run this site out of my own pocket, with the following exceptions
1. One year I asked for donations to pay the server fees, which covered most of the fees but it was more trouble that it was worth so I never asked again, it’s just easier for me to pay for it, and..
2. For about three years the videos of the site (this is in the pre-YouTube days) were stored on another server and paid mainly by Jon Charles (Jetcone), Glen (Dadoes) also contributed financially to the video site at the end. But now since bandwidth has become so much cheaper, everything is simply stored on the aw.org server, which as you see is paid for 100% by me <br
So my point is there is no need for a button giving credit, because I have no desire to ring my own bell so to speak <br
But truly the real credit of the success of this site goes out to all of it’s members and how they contribute to the site with the postings in all three forums, without that this site would be absolutely nothing more than a bunch of videos and pictures of vintage washers <br
Now I’m done with all this, and by the way everyone, I sure do appreciate everyone’s help with dealing with people like this. This is the kind of help I REALLY do need in running this site as I really do not have the time nor the desire to deal with crap like this
turquoisedude
Well-known member
Nor should you have to!
I just read through this whole issue and I just don't get it... This site is just great and I truly enjoy the content. The way I see it if there are members who don't like the content, then let them go elsewhere
Robert, I appreciate all the time and effort that you have put in to it and I say don't change a thing!
Oh yeah, the hollandaise sauce recipe would be the perfect thing to serve on mr. artichoke!!
I just read through this whole issue and I just don't get it... This site is just great and I truly enjoy the content. The way I see it if there are members who don't like the content, then let them go elsewhere
Robert, I appreciate all the time and effort that you have put in to it and I say don't change a thing!
Oh yeah, the hollandaise sauce recipe would be the perfect thing to serve on mr. artichoke!!
peterh770
Well-known member
Oh dear... Looks like I am too late to vote, but I'm glad there is PLENTY of artichoke dip left...
It looks like somone is unclear on the concept. For many of us, the great dream was to finally be able to see, touch and use the appliances that fascinated us in our youth. I do not believe that dividing the discussions into two broad time bands is discriminatory. It gives the site some chronological organization and it provides a great opportunity for younger members to have a forum devoted to what they remember about appliances as they grew up and a place to share those experiences with some of us older and more feeble members, who yes, might have caught the brass ring, a few gold rings and other precious treasures, but remember that grabbing the brass ring got you another ride for free. In the Turquoise forum, we also discuss today's machines both domestic and foreign and a person's age is totally irrelevant for that. Just because everyone does not share an interest in a type of appliance or a brand of appliance or a time period does not mean disrespect nor does it constitute discrimination against the person or appliance. How is everyone having different interests discriminatory? It would be a boring, as well as cutthroat, club if everyone liked the same thing. Thanks to the discussions devoted to older appliances many younger members have been able to read about and see the marvels of design that were introduced 50 to 60 years. A completely unexpected stroke of good fortune because of the club was the discovery that there was interest in our appliances by people almost all over the world. They have shared information about the history of appliances in their countries and, in some cases, have been able to come to our gatherings and then became regular visitors with members here which has resulted in many great friendships as well as international detergent smuggling. The same is true for the members here who visit with friends & members in other countries. Even people who have never met have come to feel that they have friendships with certain members and a welcoming community. The ability of non-members to post questions to us has resulted in some wonderful appliance finds and transactions that added to our various collections. <br
I am glad that I do not have to wade through some vast forum spanning 60 years to find a member's account of an amazingly fortunate find, nor do I think it's improper to separate major appliances from smaller appliances. I like the fact that I can share my interest in housewares and small electrics with others and that we do not have to go searching all over the site because we know we have the yellow forum for that. Why do we need to make the vacuum collectors' site one with ours? What about the equally fascinating sites for collectors of beautiful mixers and irons? We can share our vacuum, mixer, etc. acquisitions triumphs within the proper forum here and are equally free to join groups that specialize in vacuums, mixers, irons and other items that are of no less value than washing machines, dryers and dishwashers. I like cookware and pressure cookers as do some other members, but we don't feel slighted by discussing them in the yellow sandbox which is not a joke or something disgusting like yellow snow <br
But beyond this and just as important is that you or any member feels shut out or slighted. I did not know about it, nor did I mean to do it except that it sometimes happens when I start discussing those damn bounties on the wanted dead or alive lists. Those can really work against all of our members. As for comparing newer appliances with old, I believe Consumer Reports set a precedent for comparison when they compared the newer GE to the original model and noted the features that were no longer offered. I miss fluorescent lights, germicidal lamps and fewer opportunities to indulge in dial pushing, although we are finding ways to thwart the manufacturers on that also. In 1985, IIRC, when John and I toured the Henry Ford Museum with other members of his family, we noticed that it sort of stopped short of our period of collecting in many areas, roughly at the end of Ford's ability to build his collection. Johns said at that time that to make the then only dreamed of museum and club continue into the future, young members would have to be exposed to the wonders of the older appliances by having a place to see them operate and the marvelous appliances from more recent times would have to be given space and consideration as well, otherwise it dies with us. It's like the ancient wooden washing machines and the wooden dishwasher at the Ford Museum; interesting, but not things I would want. On the other hand, the vacuum coffee makers that I was collecting in the early 1960s sort of swept through the club once people saw the beautiful shapes, watched the drama and tasted the coffee they produced. I waited years to find my first Coffee Master and today, they, as well as almost every type of vacuum coffee maker, are available on the Internet for all interested parties. <br
I do not see how a genuine enthusiast needs to put down someone or any type of appliance to feel secure about his or her own appliances. I would be intereted in seeing some of the language from which you inferred that this was a group that was unwelcoming to younger members. Hell, if you know anything, you know that a group that was started by gay men would be sensitive to alienating people. Furthermore, whether you are gay or straight, you would have to know that gay men appreciate many definitions of beauty and that hardly anyone would be made to feel unwelcome because they are younger or older, male or female. I do not understand how one can say that we have not welcomed anyone who has shown an interest in appliances and who has not engaged in poor behavior. I thought that, in general, we all got along, found enough flexibility to discuss our interests and had great fun together.
I am glad that I do not have to wade through some vast forum spanning 60 years to find a member's account of an amazingly fortunate find, nor do I think it's improper to separate major appliances from smaller appliances. I like the fact that I can share my interest in housewares and small electrics with others and that we do not have to go searching all over the site because we know we have the yellow forum for that. Why do we need to make the vacuum collectors' site one with ours? What about the equally fascinating sites for collectors of beautiful mixers and irons? We can share our vacuum, mixer, etc. acquisitions triumphs within the proper forum here and are equally free to join groups that specialize in vacuums, mixers, irons and other items that are of no less value than washing machines, dryers and dishwashers. I like cookware and pressure cookers as do some other members, but we don't feel slighted by discussing them in the yellow sandbox which is not a joke or something disgusting like yellow snow <br
But beyond this and just as important is that you or any member feels shut out or slighted. I did not know about it, nor did I mean to do it except that it sometimes happens when I start discussing those damn bounties on the wanted dead or alive lists. Those can really work against all of our members. As for comparing newer appliances with old, I believe Consumer Reports set a precedent for comparison when they compared the newer GE to the original model and noted the features that were no longer offered. I miss fluorescent lights, germicidal lamps and fewer opportunities to indulge in dial pushing, although we are finding ways to thwart the manufacturers on that also. In 1985, IIRC, when John and I toured the Henry Ford Museum with other members of his family, we noticed that it sort of stopped short of our period of collecting in many areas, roughly at the end of Ford's ability to build his collection. Johns said at that time that to make the then only dreamed of museum and club continue into the future, young members would have to be exposed to the wonders of the older appliances by having a place to see them operate and the marvelous appliances from more recent times would have to be given space and consideration as well, otherwise it dies with us. It's like the ancient wooden washing machines and the wooden dishwasher at the Ford Museum; interesting, but not things I would want. On the other hand, the vacuum coffee makers that I was collecting in the early 1960s sort of swept through the club once people saw the beautiful shapes, watched the drama and tasted the coffee they produced. I waited years to find my first Coffee Master and today, they, as well as almost every type of vacuum coffee maker, are available on the Internet for all interested parties. <br
I do not see how a genuine enthusiast needs to put down someone or any type of appliance to feel secure about his or her own appliances. I would be intereted in seeing some of the language from which you inferred that this was a group that was unwelcoming to younger members. Hell, if you know anything, you know that a group that was started by gay men would be sensitive to alienating people. Furthermore, whether you are gay or straight, you would have to know that gay men appreciate many definitions of beauty and that hardly anyone would be made to feel unwelcome because they are younger or older, male or female. I do not understand how one can say that we have not welcomed anyone who has shown an interest in appliances and who has not engaged in poor behavior. I thought that, in general, we all got along, found enough flexibility to discuss our interests and had great fun together.
mickeyd
Well-known member
Hi Robert, I hope all is going well with you
Say, I was just wondering why you don't just shut this whole site down. Don't you thing it is agonizing for us to realize and admit every single day how much smarter you are than the rest of us who would not even know where to begin to start up something this big--all the parts involved in this huge enterprise. It's mind boggling and humiliating for us poor sorry bastards who wouldn't know a megabyte from anal wart <br
Also, you're way too handsome to be such a computer geek. You have the most perfect arms of anyone in the club. It just isn't fair to all of us pudgy pale couch potatoes who sit home sniffling over our Tupperware and Procter-Silicies. <br
Worse you show up in the picture thread in your basement or kitchen squatting and barefoot, so unimaginably beautiful and sexy that we can't breathe, ugly warted toadies that we poor pitiful slobs are! Ahhhrgg <br
And you've got to stop being 40 when most of us in the club are well into our sixties. It's too painful to see you bounding all over Minneapolis, working all day, tweaking machines all night and running this site, going to the gym, estating and clubbing on weekends, making a home for gladys and Neil--why is too exhausting while we sit home arthritic, wheezing, and taking enemas and penile implant <br
You're too much of a personIST and I'm going somewhere grayer <br
Goodbye, Robert, you're just too much for me
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Say, I was just wondering why you don't just shut this whole site down. Don't you thing it is agonizing for us to realize and admit every single day how much smarter you are than the rest of us who would not even know where to begin to start up something this big--all the parts involved in this huge enterprise. It's mind boggling and humiliating for us poor sorry bastards who wouldn't know a megabyte from anal wart <br
Also, you're way too handsome to be such a computer geek. You have the most perfect arms of anyone in the club. It just isn't fair to all of us pudgy pale couch potatoes who sit home sniffling over our Tupperware and Procter-Silicies. <br
Worse you show up in the picture thread in your basement or kitchen squatting and barefoot, so unimaginably beautiful and sexy that we can't breathe, ugly warted toadies that we poor pitiful slobs are! Ahhhrgg <br
And you've got to stop being 40 when most of us in the club are well into our sixties. It's too painful to see you bounding all over Minneapolis, working all day, tweaking machines all night and running this site, going to the gym, estating and clubbing on weekends, making a home for gladys and Neil--why is too exhausting while we sit home arthritic, wheezing, and taking enemas and penile implant <br
You're too much of a personIST and I'm going somewhere grayer <br
Goodbye, Robert, you're just too much for me
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bethann
New member
OMG Mike!
You seriously have me laughing so hard I'm ready to pee my pants <br
He is hot!
You seriously have me laughing so hard I'm ready to pee my pants <br
He is hot!
mickeyd
Well-known member
thank you, Gorgeous
Just send the wet panties to Veg
Just send the wet panties to Veg
Ugh, Mike you are really tooooooooo much LOL. I think I might need to get out the boots and it's a good thing that I can wash them in the Whirlpool Combo with 220 volt boosted hot water!
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