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norgeway

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After many years of hunting, I finally found a GE Hotpoint mixer, I bought it, and sent a message to the seller to please pack it well, he assured me he did, it arrived today , jadite bowls broken into a million pieces and will not run as they said, so much for my Christmas present to me..!!MAD..OH YEAH!

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The Box..

Nothing saying Fragile..Glass or anything else, probably the worst packaging I have ever seen, if you cant pack things , take ti somewhere...and the shipping was 19.00!

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Can you get a refund?

seeing as it was obviously not packed as well as it should have been!!

 

lets face it the average postie is not gonna care if its vintage or not as long as he gets his quota of parcels through the system.
 
i D#$% well better

Get a full refund!I examined the mixer itself and if you look closely, the base is cracked also, totally ruined!its amazing something can survive 80 years and be destroyed by carelessness!
 
I think many of us have experienced this. It does not diminish your disappointment, or anger; we all commiserate with you. I found perhaps one of the very last surviving Club Glass drip coffee makers from WWII when Club Aluminum bought Inland Glass because of metal rationing. The stupid woman shipped it in the thin paper box that was supposed to be overwrapped in a carton. I could hear the broken glass as I lifted it off the porch. I, too, told her I would pay extra for secure packaging. I think it is largely a problem with younger people who are used to plastic and not used to doing anything for themselves like packing and mailing. As you said, it is heartbreaking how something that survived for so long can be destroyed so quickly by carelessness or a willfully slipshod attitude. She refunded my money but did ask that I return the little instruction pamphlet to her.

While we are on the topic, this is a very bad time of year to buy on eBay and have stuff delivered by UPS. Twice I have had merchandise show up as "delivered" according to UPS when it was not. In one case, the slimey seller did not press the case. In the other, the nice lady got on UPS's tail and had them do a search. It was found on the truck. The driver was accumulating some gifts without having to shop for them, although I don't think a few Centura bowls would have made that great a present, but they were packed in a large box to protect them so he might have thought he really had a treasure.
 
The few times I have received something that was either damaged or otherwise not in the same condition as described, I've filed a claim with eBay and have been granted a full refund each time.
 
Am That Lucky Mine Arrived Without a Scratch

Bowls, mixer, beaters, etc... all perfect. Mind you seller did a great job of packing including double boxing and lots of cushioning material. It also helped IIRC the bowls and mixer came in separate boxes.

When sold off some of my vac pot collection made very sure to wrap, pack, cushion, double box the heck out of everything. Not one complaint from the buyers.

Honestly think you should file a claim with eBay against the seller. Have had to speak to a few eBay sellers recently about items that arrived damaged and without waiting for a formal case all costs were refunded.

One seller set something that was vintage with cast iron parts. Well as you can imagine cast iron is subject to breaking and one part did. Worse the box arrived damaged and re-taped by the USPS with official "Opened by in the presence and by the USPS". Yes, got a refund on that as well because the thing was shoved into a huge box with nil cushioning and or parts being secured. It was no wonder the thing bounced around and was damaged.
 
It happened to me too!

Although not as rare as yours I had this happen with a vintage Sunbeam Mixer. It had the bowls and the juicer all broken to pieces due to careless packing. I did get a refund and didn't have to return the mixer. Over the years I have been able to replace the bowls at Estate sales but have not been able to replace the juicer. I have all the metal parts just need to glass part.

As I have started to collect them I have had occasion to have a few of them shipped. Now before I bid I ask the seller if they are willing to remove shipping from the auction and take it to UPS to have it professionally shipped at my expense. If they don't agree I move on. It's just not worth it to lose something so rare over someone being careless.

I had one mixer shipped to me from Canada by a man who refurbishes them. The box showed up so damaged and so beat up it looked like all corners were rounded. I was certain I would open the package to broken bowls but they were fine. I was surprised. I just shipped two off to be refurbished by a man in Florida. We will see how those come back. As no bowls are involved I only have to worry about handles and other bakelite parts.
 
I actually have been on the other end of this.  I sold a vintage blender on ebay, packaged it will, had the USPS fragile stamp it.  It arrived to it destination with the glass pitcher ruined.  The buyer was furious and so was I.  Luckily I insured it for more than I new I would sell it for.  I refunded the persons money, filed my claim with photos to the USPS and got my check in the mail.  I still to this day hate it happened though.  Other people just don't give a d**n
 
What a shame. I've never seen that mixer before. I've only had one such experience with a sputnik looking electric can opener a few years ago. The seller wrapped a piece of newspaper around it, shoved it in a box and I received the pieces. Plus it was filthy. I sent them an angry email and they returned my money and told me to keep it.
 
eBay disaster

I too have received damaged mixers. Two from insufficient packaging and the post office was of no help, saying I should have opened the package in the presence of an employee to make a claim of damage in transit. Some seller refuse to write feedback until after the receiver writes feedback about the seller and transaction. Also you cannot leave negative feedback any longer, what happened to being truthful about the facts!?! My Chrome V14C had a broken speed control knob, all the pieces were inside the box.
The seller claimed they provided sufficient padding, there was one folded newspaper in the box, there was plenty space for the mixer to move about to be damaged. The stand mixer was assembled on the stand.

Another seller mailed a portable mixer too me using the original box with no padding,just the mixer, cord and beaters in the box, upon leaving him feedback about there being no packing to prevent damage in transit, he then ammended his feedback to say I paid late!
 
It happened to me

with a D4 Rainbow Vacuum I bought back in 2006. I remember the user was Dwightsale in South Carolina....Their Ebay store looked great and they had lots of great feedback. I was really puzzled!! It wasn't packed that great, didn't look clean at all and sounded like it was on its last leg.

There was something wrong with it because it barely had suction. He said the older Rainbows didn't have much suction. That was his answer!! I could have debated but didn't.. At any rate, instead of returning it, I traded it for a new one....

I did not leave bad feedback because I really didn't want to deal with returning it, I did leave neutral feedback saying item wasn't quite as described.

It probably is a good store and they sell lots of nice used refurb vacs, but leave it to me to get the vacuum when someone must have been having a really bad day.
 
I think that when buying a mixer I would insist that the glass bowls be shipped separately. If the seller just puts the bowls on the mixer and then covers the whole thing in newspaper no wonder they broke.

After a bad experience with UPS back in the early 90's I never use them. They have a history of not paying off damage claims on things they have damaged. I'll give you a little secret here on how to deal with UPS if they break something and it was packed properly. Just tell them that if they don't pay off you'll take them to court and subpena their damage claim records. Then this will become public record. You will demonstrate to the court that they hardly ever pay of on claims made by their customers. This is in violation of most states deceptive trade practices laws. They are taking money for insurance with no intention of paying on damage claims. When you win your case they will have to pay you THREE times the amount of your damages.

Usually UPS will send a courier to your home with the check.

I also hate it when sellers think that the original retail packaging is good enough for shipping. They forget that those packages were made for in store use and not to ship something via UPS or FedEx.

I recently bought a part on Ebay from a person who had 100% positive rating but only had 50 auctions in the past 6 years. They said they would ship the part soon.
Well a week later it hadn't arrived. I had an electronic tracking number but when I entered it into the USPS system it didn't come up with any info. I finally e-mailed the seller who told me this one. "We live in rural Michigan. We only send out packages to be mailed when we get enough to make it worth our while. In another week or two we should have that many and we'll send your item then." I couldn't believe my eyes when I read that e-mail. I looked at her feedback and then realized that while there were no "slow shipping" remarks, there weren't any "Quick shipping" marks either. After I told her "I need this part NOW" she said she would make an exception in my case and ship the part immediately.
 
Looks like a neat little GE-Hotpoint Mixer-so sad it didn't arrive in better condition.Guess the bowls would be Unobtanium.When Kelly shipped me a small collection of Sunbeam mixers from his collection-they were sent in TWO large heavy boxes-one box contained the bowels and beater blades-All were well wrapped.The other box contained the motors and bases-again well wrapped.Other things shipped from some other Applianceville folks were well packed-guess Applianceville guys know how to pack and ship stuff so it gets to the recipient in one peice.From reading posts like where items are shipped by Non appliance type folks-thats when they get damaged-the shipper doesn't care-or doesn't know how to pack.I admit-don't know how to pack-so have someone who does do it-and pay for it-worth it!!!Had to ship some vacuums to a Vacuumland member-and had the UPS place pack the machines-the recipient said they arrived just fine.
 
I think what is mentioned above about the item surviving for 80 years and then due to a poor, insufficient packing job, it is gone forever. That is not a good feeling on so many levels. Disappointment and then on the collector mindset, it is and item that is rare and now another rare item is gone.

So sorry to read this.

I collect the small snack sets that were popular years ago. I have begged, offered to pay for professional packing, provided detailed suggestions/directions as to the packing,to the seller.

For a while I would simply shake the box when the UPS/USPS guy would deliver. If I heard glass moving, (and I did on so many occasions), I would open the parcel in front of the employee. The damage was ALWAYS due to insufficient packing, always.
 
I rarely have problems but a couple of years ago I bought a Hallicrafters TW-1000, Hallicrafters' version of the Zenith Transoceanic radio, and the seller simply put it into a tight-fitting box and shipped it. I basically received a box of kindling and radio parts. The front dial is plastic and was broken too. The seller tried to blame the post office - "Well, sometimes this happens because the carriers tend to be rough." Plus, she said she insured it but the insurance number was a nonsense number (turns out it was insurance provided by the ebay/paypal system - very confusing to figure this out. I pointed out that it was not the post office's fault, simply putting an old radio into a tight as a glove box is not proper packaging. Postal regs for fragile items state that there should be 4" of packing between the item and the outer  box and 2" between items in the box. She would never admit fault but refunded my money.
 
Damage Claims

UPS, USPS and FedEx among others often are loathe to pay claims for damage if they determine things were not properly packed. They may pay the minimum but depending upon how much the thing cost that may not cover.

Find with UPS at least it is best to take out lots of insurance. Above a certain amount everyone that touches that box from the time UPS accepts until delivery must sign off.

Local NYC news program showed the other night how contracted UPS workers were unloading holiday shipments from a rented van. Boxes where being flung off the truck and onto the snow covered/wet ground. Workers looked like recent releases from JUVEE or similar sorts of places and none seemed to care one bit about what they were doing. When the reported inquired about their treatment of the parcels their on camera response pretty much was "things are what they are and you mind your business".
 
How old is that Mixer?

Ive seen one and I still have it,it says Hotpoint on it.I never researched it.I received a Crosley 14 inch bakelite table top TV one time,I was upstairs when I heard it hit the front porch floor. It had maybe 2 or so newspapers rolled up in the box what a mess bottom totally destroyed and sides split and cracked,I still have it out in the garage hoping one day to use it for parts, So sad for you!
 
Shipping is terrible, which is why I buy more and sell less.  I sure don't want to be responsible for stuff being broken.  I think mixers should be shipped separate than the bowls.  The bowls don't  stand a chance against the mixer.

 

Bobby,

 

I rarely even consider buying bakelite anything.  Regardless of packing, a chassis so much as wiggles and the case is broken.  I recently bought a 1950's clock radio and requested extra packing.  The seller did a wonderful job, but the case is still cracked at the bottom.  The box must have been dropped once of twice and the chassis hit the case. 
 
If Bakelite is bad, can you imagine shipping one of those $2000 Catalin plastic radios? They break if you sneeze on them anyway.

The hints for dealing with UPS are very helpful, whirlpool and Launderess, thanks.
 
I once ordered what had been a really nice AE50 jukebox wall phone from a seller in Canada. They wrapped the handset in Saran Wrap(don't ask me why) and then put the whole affair in a box with some shipping peanuts. While in transit the handset beat the tar out of the receivers Bakelite body. Then more recently I had a group of ten Maytag timers tossed into a box together and shipped. All had some damage, but three were a total loss. What can I say really, beyond I'm sorry to here about the loss of this veteran survivor(though survivor no longer) and some people really don't seem to have a clue when it comes to shipping.
 
shipping mishaps

I have had 3 shipping mishaps(2 were ebay):
-Russian HiFi came shipped from Ukraine in a canvas bag-arrived a wreck only good for spare parts...
-lost one of 3 Porsche blaupunkt radios sent me from ebay seller;repurposed box came apart and 1 radio went missing-post office was no help at all...
-some neodymium magnets got loose out of a badly battered box-wonder what mayhem those might have caused LOL :)
Also once had a box that had a couple specially dyed"medical maggots"on it from a box of those that broke open in the UPS truck.
Seems many sellers do not realize the battering items sent through mail receive.
 
FWIW, USPS agent told me "parcel post" is subject to 30# objects falling on them from 15 feet overhead. While "priority" is not. I have shipped a few items (working model helicopters) but in their original styrofoam packing that made it all the way from China, never a problem. Not the same thing as glass/ceramic in packing improvised by an idiot.
 
Bowl repair

If it helps there is a company that specializes in repair of broken ceramics and glassware. I have an Imperial Amphora vase that was knocked off a table and broken worse then your mixer bowls. I sent the pieces to them and a month later I had a like new vase returned to me. You can't even see where it was put back together. If you like I can send you their info and you can see what they can do for you?
 
A UPS claims rep that came to my house with my check explained packing to me. She said:

You have to double box everything to be considered "properly packed"

If you have a small box to ship and once shipped it's on a UPS conveyor belt and the item next to it on the belt is a full sized refrigerator your box has to be able to withstand the force of the refrigerator falling on it. In other words, UPS' expectations are outrageous, that's why they pay off on so little claims.

I use FedEx. Never a problem there. But then again "great packing" usually does appear in my feedback on Ebay. I even have "Best Pack Job EVER!" in my feedback too.

I also had a seller ship me my SAE A301 amp. He just dropped it without ANY wrapping or packing at all in an old worn out McIntosh computer box and shipped it. By some grace of God it arrived totally undamaged. I don't know how UPS managed that one.

Someone at UPS told me NEVER to use "Fragile" or "This Side Up" stickers on packages to be shipped. He told me people who work in the distribution centers like to manhandle & mistreat those the most.
 
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