Anyone bought a Speed Queen lately?

[kenmoreguy89]

Merely setting the record straight and correcting misconcept

Merely setting the record straight and correcting misconceptions people seem to have.

Do not want to sound like a bitch..
BUT

Are you really sure you have that much of power or authority to determine whatever needs to be "corrected"?
Don't take this for bad...please...
I have seen you " correcting" " many things that could be called anything but opinable sentences or Ie "opinions"..... that really does not need to be corrected simply because they ain't right nor wrong...
As for the ones of yours.....
I think no one fears the truth here, because no one can say to be the TRUTH IN PERSON, one can just say what are their findings snd accept whatever are differents thoughts and opinions and take them for what they're are, some sentences I have seen in your posts indeed sounded like decrees/ verdicts..
No one here can say to have the suthority or power to do that as we still are in a democratical country and forum....
But perhaps it is me seing ot that way....

 

[Chetlaham]

power limitations

US power availability does limit the front load built in heater market. How and why we choose to run home branch circuits at 120 still blows my mind. In this day and age no justification exists.

Most front loaders are shipped with a NEMA 5-15 plug which only gives 1800 watts max. Most heaters end up being about 1000 to 1200 watts. About 300 to 400 watts are left over for the motor since tumble and heat is needed. While 1000 watts will still heat the water it takes a lot of time, and from cold to a boil wash that can take over an hour alone for the wash. Compact machines none to bad, but give them a full size and consumers will be asking why. A Euro plug on the other hand can pull 13 or 16 amps at 230 volts. 3000 watts to 3700 watts of available power. A euro washer can easily be equipped with a 2000 to 3000 watt heater, in this example will say 2500 watts. That's 2 and 1/2 times more heating power which makes the consumer happier. Most euro machines are more leaning toward compact, so it adds to the time reduction even more. However, if we wanted to get similar results in our full size front loads I would estimate about a 3500 to 4200 watts of heating power would be needed.

The good news for us: literally 96% of houses can get 4800 watts of power at their washer outlets without upgrading any wiring. The NEC has required for decades a dedicated 20 amp 12 gauge circuit be run to the laundry area for the washer. 96% of houses have a dedicated number 12 from the panel to the washer's receptacle. By code that circuit cant leave the laundry area, and technically cant be run to any light fixtures. All one needs to do is swap the single pole breaker to a double and change the outlet to a NEMA 6-20r. Presto 4800 watts of power. Appliance makers can then add NEMA 6-20p plugs to washers and in turn stronger heaters. Imagine a Duet with a 4500 watt heater Major time savings on a sani wash.

Bosch btw has a neat trick up its sleeve. Some of their home dryers for the US market plug into a standard 240 volt 30 amp dryer circuit. A 15 amp 240 volt plug is provided at the back of the dryer for a 240 volt front load with heater. But if one wanted just the washer they could do the above mentioned too.

IMO, a front load with no heater is half a washer.

 

[washer111]

Okay, I'll Bite

(And make myself a hypocrite).

No, I don't feel I have "power or authority" to correct. I form opinions based on what I read here, and what I've experienced in my own personal activities.

 

Therefore, when I see people spreading misconceptions I bite and "correct" them. I'm sorry, if people are offended by that, then I apologize.

 

 

[kenmoreguy89]

No you're not hypocrite....I think all have understand your points and your ideas, that's what matters... Just let to the readers determine iwhatever you say is, according to each one of them, unless they're factual things, opinions can be agreed or disagreed, partially or wholly, but never and say never universally right nor wrong, nor in need of corrections , just limit to say your opinions and let them be what they're, not corrections or verdicts, but opinIons...
Just to make an example...
You jumped out from the sentence about having to wash twice with frontloaders (not washing well) , you assumed immediately that It was fault of US ones not heating water, started shooting verdicts and kept saying at how shit they are because of this, kinda sanctifying Miele or european ones, how did you know he was referring and talking of a US non heating front loader and never tried also one with an heater?
As you can see I feel exactly the same about the ones that heat.... And do not let me speak about ones that don't...
You give fault to this and wash times, but what about if others reasons other than wash temperatures and or times were involved in the fact that so many people in the US and the poster don't find FL as good as top loaders agitators?

You see....

What about if an american indeed would say: " eh I think now in OZ they find these front loader better for a simple reason, I find their top loaders to be crappy toys like machines, , that generally does not have a good agitation, so it's natural there they like 'em so much than they do over here"...
That's an example.....
What about if one would say so? That would be an opinion, if starting with "I think", different is if it mentioned like a fact, judgment and or verdict stating it as an untouchable truth as some of your lines appers to be,I think that if a reader is smart wold look up himself after this and determine whenever having to agree or disagree....but never say "you're wrong"-"it is not so" as a matter of fact.
His words versus yours....who will win....nobody, nonody will be right or wrong.
Again, the way you came up sounded a bit pretentious and Judgmental.....at least to me....let opinions be what they're...
Have a good night to all...

[this post was last edited: 3/17/2014-00:50]