Ariel Stain Remover - yet another un needed product?

[hoover1100]

As the detergent markets on both sides of the pond move towa

I have to disagree with this, powders and tablets are being pushed here just as much as anything else and are still the preferred format by most in my experience.

Also the majority of liquid/gel/liquitab products here contain enzymes apart from those labelled as non-bio, and these are more of a niche product, claimed to be better for senstivie skin, even though it has been proven time and again that enzymes don't harm skin.

I guess because there have been recent advances in liquids in the form of gels and these being pushed more in adverts, it must seem that these are becoming more popular, but powder and tablets are still the most common formats and take up the largest amount of space in the store shelves and I think they still make up the greatest market share, although I have no figures to proove this.

I'd say for the main we will always be a powder market.

Ahhh I wonder if the Ariel stain remover is the same as the proffesional stain buster powder, that smells just like old ariel too .

Matt[this post was last edited: 7/1/2010-13:52]

 

[paulc]

Rob......you have made me want to dash(excuse the pun) out and buy some now!!

I've been using Ariel Excel (Actilift) Gel for everything I wash but have been adding Vanish Crystal white powder in a white wash. I got the idea from Louis and his thread on his LG T/L as his whites looked lovely, I always thought my whites where white but now they look amazing!

You'll have to let us all know how it performs and what detergent you used with it.

Paul

 

[aquacycle]

I've been using Ariel Excel (Actilift) Gel

Paul, I would hope that you have both the bio and colour detergent for your different types of laundry

 

[zanussi_lover]

Ariel Excel Gel

I've been using the bio gel on whites and darks and haven't noticed any bleaching or fading lol.

I use Persil Non Bio powder on my towels and sheets =]

isn't always necessary to use a colour detergent when you use a liquid

 

[paulc]

Chris

I suspect there is no differance between Excel Gel colour and Bio as they both have OBA's

 

[aquacycle]

I have to disagree with you both, seeing as Ariel Excel Colour doesn't contain optical brighteners.

And no offence meant, but the thought of not using a biological detergent on my sheets and towels makes me feel incredibly unclean. My house is always clean (not always tidy, mind) and welcoming to everyone. I always tell my friends and family that my door is always open. So I could never expect anybody staying with me to use towels that have not been washed correctly. Infact, I'd feel quite ashamed. I'd sooner use bio on everything than not at all.

 

[aquarius1984]

Liquids dont contain bleach Chris. Bleach is unfortunately unstable in liquid detergents IIRC however our resident Launderess may be able to explain more.

Powders can contain powdered bleaches yet remain stable thus allowing the bleach to do its job.

Currently there are no liquid detergents on the UK market that contain bleaches and they rely on OB's Optical Brighteners which really are just mirror like residues that IIRC capture white and blue light in the colour spectrum and reflect it so the garments washed in it LOOK WHITE but are actually not.

If your washing your whites in a liquid detergent they wont actually be properly clean say compared to the cleanliness a powder gives my removing stains and dirt. They simply make Fabrics look white hence the name Optical Brighteners. think "Optical Illusion"

Rob

 

[aquacycle]

^sorry Rob, I didn't mean bleach lol. It's been a long day!

I currently have both Ariel bio and colour powder . 95 washes for £8.99 - ZING!

 

[aquarius1984]

Also for the record Chris Non Biological Detergents are more heavily dependant on bleaches and other chemicals to get washing clean as they are minus the enzymes.

They do a comparable job IMHO and certainly dont lack that far behind. They certainly wont leave anything unsanitary.

I went thru a good 8 year phase using Persil Non Biological almost exclusively and swore blind it cleaned better than any Biological powder my Mum ever used. Whites were perfect white and it was always better at cleaning my chef whites owing to its extra bleachy formula.

Which magazine of late seems to be a little bit biased, (noting how they give the awards to P&G products exclusively)however it always seems to have been like that for me since I took up reading their articles earlier in the decade. They found Non Bios cleaned significantly worse yet I found them to be better.

 

[aquacycle]

My sister has used Persil Non-Bio for the last 12 years. When her washing machine broke down, she brought me up a load of washing and asked if I would mind doing it for her. Of course, I was thrilled at the thought of doing it. But she did notice that her clothes looked and smelled cleaner when washed with the relevant biological or colour detergent than with a non-bio product. I have tried non-bio, but it's never convinced me. Especially growing up in a house with 4 men and only 2 girls, you really notice the difference on your laundry when using a bio detergent and how much cleaner they smell once washed. But hey, if we all had the same preferences, there would be no market for such products, so thank god we do

 

[foraloysius]

I found it an interesting difference between the UK and the Netherlands that you in the UK got non-bio detergents where we in the Netherlands hadn't even heard about them. AFAIK there was never a non-bio detergent sold in the Netherlands, and IIRC I never saw a non-bio detergent either in a German supermarket.

 

[aquarius1984]

I dont follow Chris tbh.

Smells can be caused by anything unrelated to the choice of her detergent and whether its NB or biological.

Bacteria and scents cause and control odours. Bleachy detergents will remove the bacteria causing smells provided one follows proper laundry habits.

Biological powders generally have much stronger scents, scents that cover up and mask issues not to solve them should the powder be lets say manufactured by unscrupulous companies.

Perhaps her machine has a build up of gunk inside, this would not help the odours on her clothes. Dirty powder drawers and mouldy FS compartments all flush bacteria into clean washing in the last rinses.

Clothes not dried as rapidly as one would like, on a clothes airer for 2 days subject to bacteria in the air can cause odour problems as can leaving clothing in warm damp machines for a few hours after the cycle is finshed.

Cooking smells wafting through the house can also permeate garments,

Perhaps your sister under doses on powder. This certainly dosnt help.

Too many factors can be plussed in as to why her laundry would not be as pleasant as yours may be so its unwise to go blaming powders unless one is sure that they are to blame.

 

[hoover1100]

non-bio

Whilst I don't argue that it cleans considerably worse than bio detergents, some non-bio's do clean better than some bio's, I believe serves no purpose.

It seems to only be in the UK that we have been conned into beleiving that enzymes will harm your skin, as I said before it has been proven that enzymes do not harm your skin, it is infact strong perfumes, dyes and OBA's that can cause harm.

Everywhere else in the world "sensitive" detergents are the same as regular ones but without scents or dyes, much more sensible in my opinion and actually most likely better for senstive skin.

It just seems stupid to me that people are coerced into using Fairy for baby and sensitive skin, when it foams up loads, is terrible to rinse out, strongly scented and the gels and such are loaded with optical brightners.

Nothing I've used can compare to ariel bio or febreeze effect powder and tablets, and I couldn't recommend anything else to people if asked, apart from the colour version for coloureds obviously

Matt

 

[newwave1]

Ohhh dear. Another item for my every growing detergent stock lol. Though i don't think its necessary as Ariel is amazing by itself...buuuut i'd hate to not have some just incase ;-)

Love the packaging! I'm also excited at thought of it smelling like 80's Ariel like Rob said!

Ariel excel gel. I swear by the stuff! Combined with steam washing results are flawless. I have Ariel in just about every format at the moment lol.

I have noticed that Both the bio and colour gels contain Optical Brighteners. Having read the Which review it They said whites were white and colours were bright and didnt fade!

So on that advice i bought a big bottle of the febreze variant.

Bio Vs Non bio. Hmmm I wash my 2 children under twos clothes in bio detergents. Neither of them have ever had a skin reaction. Perhaps it's because Daddy is very particular with rinsing. The LG can do up to 5rinses, but the jet is really powerful and i've found the usual 3 to do just fine. My Mum has used Persil Non-bio for fricken years since it first came out. It used to take a hell of a lot of pursuation for us to buy some ariel as a treat, but my dad has really sensitive skin and complains like mad if he sees the detergent has changed!

Shame really as i want to convert her to Ariel. Persil non bio fades darks badly and leaves streaks on stuff. The day i moved out i programmed Rinse Plus in perminantly on her AEG to make sure it stood half a chance. Bless the old dear stuck in her ways. She has a soaking programme but still does it in the sink lol.

Darren

 

[paulc]

Thanks Darren

I was begining to doubt my sanity as I was sure Ariel Excel Colour Gel contained OBA's!!

 

[launderess]

Main Reason "Non-Bio" Detergents Have So Much Noise

If that is the proper word, is a little event in the UK's past.

Sevearl decades ago now, Persil decided it would cease producing non-enzyme detergents, and focus totally on what they considered state of the market and future for laundry detergents, those with enzymes.

Well, from the way some mothers and others with skin "issues" revolted,you would have thought Persil was going on some sort of baby killing spree.

There were protests in the media, and so forth, so in short order Persil gave in and that is why you see the large "bio" vs "non-bio" market in the UK.

Now in other places most TOL, MOL and even BOL detergents all contain enzymes, and there does not seem to be any huge outbreaks of skin conditions. However for some reason many in the UK think enzymes are bad or at least shouldn't be in detergents for infants or children.

Myself cannot understand this rationale. Infants and children are prone by nature to create the very laundry soils/stains that require enzymes to remove properly. Everything from goo,poo,spew stains, to custard and all the rest...

Now in the early days of enzyme detergents there were reports of skin and breathing reactions, however they affected mainly the workers in plants producing these products.

 

[paulc]

Launderess

My Dad worked for Lever Brothers in the 60's in the plant that produced Omo....he had to leave as he was severely alergic to what ever ingredients they used. Ever since my Mum avoids Bio products. I have, on occasions where Mum's washer has broke down, had to do he laundry in bio detergent...with no adverse effect.

 

[newwave1]

Launderess-As i said before, i have washed my two babies clothes in bio detergents. Aslong as you have a machine that rinses well you can use anything!

Paulc-I remember reading the first batch of excel gel ingredients are being shocked as the colour gel had Optical brighteners and previous ariel colour did not. I had worried my black clothes would suffer but they don't seem to be!

Darren

 

[rolls_rapide]

Ohhh!

I saw this in Tesco, today. They were flogging large boxes of Ariel powder with a free sample taped to the front.

According to the ingredient label, greater than 30% is oxygen based bleaching agent. So it is a competitor to Vanish.

I just wish that Reckitt-Benkiser would launch a general purpose powder detergent, that smelled subtly nice, to compete against P&G.

 

[aquarius1984]

In use,

Got a few grotty cleaning cloths and bath mats along with a couple of towels.