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I've seen that article before also.

I'm glad you posted it though. The arrogance that must be involved in asking someone to lower their standard of manufacturing is disturbing. But I guess if you are a company that holds everything in higher esteem than your employees, you DO things like that!
 
Just Look at the Store Itself

The WM near my home is always just plain sloppy and dirty. The parking lots are full of carts and trash. One look at that and you know how things are done at the top.
 
Not to be defending Wal-Mart, 'cause Lord knows they don't need any defending ... but I go in there understanding that some items are / may be of lower quality. If that fits my needs for the item, then, well, there you are. If not, then I drive an hour+ to Houston or Victoria, or order online. Wal-Mart has been in town for more than 20 years. The original store closed a couple years ago, built a new Super outfit, 24/7. It's the only general merchandise / grocery in town open 24/7, which is a plus for me. There is another major chain grocery been here for years (they recently built a new store, bought a city block, closed a street), which I do shop there as well. Another independent grocery closed when Super WM opened, but it was in bad shape anyway *before* the Super WM. We have a local full-service hardware store, several smaller specialty shops. TSC built a big new store in recent months. There's a Walgreens under construction, and three other pharmacies in town (besides WM and the grocery) (who knows if one or more may close when Walgreens gets going). A lumber / home improvement store opened in the old WM.

What we don't have is a book store or an electronics outfit (other than a small Radio Shack).
 
for example.....

Some guys here are always talking about the choices in detergents at other stores.....i went to a Local grocery store to do my grocery shopping.....There was more of a selection of detergents.....of course....tried and true....i was going to stick to my Gain liquid.....it was $1.50 higher. I got irritated and I started to put everything back and go to Wal Mart. but then thought about the lines....no one was in this store....and decided to go ahead this week. But next time I go shopping for food and incidentals, I'll head back to the supercenter. I just dont see paying more for detergent,toothpaste, shampoo,etc...AND if you go during church from about ten to 12 on sunday.....there isn't anyone there ! LOL <P> our Wal Mart is always clean and bright. They are constantly cleaning. I sometimes stop to get coffee in the am if we need it at work. The floor crews are polishing and polishing. a different area every day...rotating until they are at the beginning again. i dont think i have ever noticed a day when they are not cleaning. Of course this is the home state....i dont know about other areas.
 
Glenn,

I'm glad that Wal-Mart hasn't affected the H.E.B. in EC out of business...and probably never will be either. I'd be caught dead before I ever ventured into the grocery department in a Wal-Mart and do some shopping there, but then again, you probably will never see me enter the store! To say that H.E.B. has a great selection is an understatement (well, for most things anyway), and the store layout is nice as well; it's no surprise that it was very high-rated in the last CR grocery store report! Not to mention that their Central Market flagship stores have everything under the sun and are to die for...

The original Wal-Mart stores that were around 10-15 years ago we could tolerate and my mom actually went there frequently, but that was before 99.9% of the products they sell are low-quality foreign crap. I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT STAND the "Super Wal-Mart" outfits, which is what nearly every single one is today. We all know what the sole purpose of those are. No fairness exists whatsoever...talk about a "Roll-Back"!

--Austin
 
For some reason or t'other there just doesn't seem to be near the anti-Walmart in Canada as there is in the USA, which is surprising if only for the fact that they are an American company competing against long established Canadian ones. Some people bitch about that but then they don't seem to bitch about Sears which has been here nearly 60 years or Woolworths or Kresge when they used to be around. I go in occasionally and look around, sometimes I buy something sometimes not. I've never been in one yet though that's messy or dirty here but I have been in some in the US that were. WalMarts biggest competitor in Canada is Zellers and they've tried everything to compete, gussying up their stores etc but when you go in one they're all messy and disorderly, they just can't seem to get it right. Today I was talking to a coworker whose wife works part-time at their local WM, he says she loves it, everyones friendly, they get their discounts, plus they pay a few dollars over the minimum wage. Granted she doesn't have to work but according to her everyone who works there likes them. As elsewhere the majority of the stuff is from Asia (China now) but then so is the stuff at all the other stores.
 
As I said before. Sam Walton would be spinning in his grave. Mr. Walton did not do business this way. The Wal Mart we knew before 1992 (the year of Walton's death) and the Wal Mart we know now are two different things. Sam believed in the working people.
 
Wal-Mart in Oz.

A few years ago there were rumors about that Wal-Mart was going to make a takeover bid for our Woolworths chain here in Australia however the vast majority of share holders in Woolies kicked up such a storm over it that it was quickly dropped.
Reading some of the posts on here, this Wal-Mart must really be a pretty disgraceful company who only seem to care about their blasted bottom line profit and the community can go to blazes, mind you the above mentioned Woolworths and the other giant retail chain down here, Coles Myer are not really much better, you see what they do particularly in regional areas is one opens up at one end of the town and the other one opens up a bit later at the other end of town and before too long the local and usually familt owned stores are forced out of business as they are just suffocated by the power of these two companies.
Between the two of them they control about 88%pf the food industry here in Australia, so what chance does the poor consumer have? in the end you just have to give in and shop sat either of them as they are often the only supermarkets around,and the Parliament is absolutely useless most probably because guess who donate the most to the two major political parties here in Oz?,yes! you guessed it these two as(as well as most of the private banks,but they are a story for another time).
I sometimes feel real despair for my little country but anyway I still love it and is my home.
Cheers folks.
Steve.
 
This thread has come at the most oportune time here at the major crayon and marker company owned by the big greating card maker.

Knit, I agree with you a 100%. In 91, I had my first dealings with Wal-Mart. I moved into a sales tech support position in my company. I supported the first PC system They supplied to thier vendors. The next year we won vendor of the qtr. I had yet to see a Wal-Mart store, there were none in eastern Pennsylvania yet. In the spring of 92 I took the 12 hour flight from PA to Arknasas. It was culture shock to me very small town. I met the people I get to speak with on the phone In Bentonville. All very nice, welcoming. The corpaorate office looks more institutional than what you would think a headquarteres would look like. No frills what so ever. no carpet, someone said they have to clean thier own offices and dump thier trash, no free coffe (our people would die}. I went to a super center and I thought it was great. But since then my feeling have changed drasticaly. With the way they do business now, I feel is why my own company really sucks now. They are demanding to buy things so cheaply from the vendors, that the vendors are taking it out on thier own employees. We have had so many layoffs, cutbacks and good emplyoees quit do to DOWNSIZING and demoting, so we can cut our costs to please Wal-mart. I have been with my company 20 years and it use to be fun to come in, a family oriented enviroment, now we are just a corporate machine. If someone quits or is lucky to retire thier job is not backfilled it is dumped on who ever is left in the dept. I am full of high emotions right now. We are in our so called re-organization mode this time of year and people are being let go again. My old boss and good friend walked out Friday do to Re-classification for the second time (I guess that is a new word for demoted) we both got hit last year. I had his job for 4 years prior to last years re-classifying. But they can hire two more people to work on the Wal-Mart sales team. I think there are about 8 dedicated people to Walmart plus all the regular corporate Marketing, Finance, and manufacturing people to support them. Upper managements new buzz phrase is we all have to work smarter, not harder.

To ramble further, Easton finaly did get a Walmart store about 4 years ago. It was nice for about the first year. Last year they added the grocery and made it a super center. It looks like a bomb went off in it most of the time, ready for the wricking ball. They stores in Arkansas and Oklahoma I have been in are very nice, ours here in PA looks terrible. Our Kmart is about the same but they are waiting to rebuild into a Sears-mart we have been told. We buy a little in Walmart usually CD's and DVD's but not much more. Grocery we go to Wegmans, Mall stores for household and clothes and my applicances we go to a family owned store in the next town and my small apps I buy online or at the mall. Walmarts standards and quality are just not there for me. I will pay for quality, I do want to keep going back for replacements. My rambling is over, time to dig out the Excederin Migrain and walk to the cafeteria for a drink (regular ice tea, not Long Island)

MikeO
 
Sarcastically-
G-d bless greed and short-sightedness in corporate America.
Turning this nation into a third-world country of refugees day-by-day.

Do businesses not see that their funciton also is to provide decent employment?
Let's worry about getting on the metric system already and catching up to the rest of the world, Not how to lower the middle-class' living standards.
Let's worry about energy and ecological conservation (but not with regard to washers and detergents!)
Let's get out of everyone's politics and wars.
Let's teach our own children to read, write, add and have manners and how to be civilized.
Do they not see that if they cut everyone's wages just who will buy what? No one will be able to.
Enough rantage out of me.
 
a bomb

Most Wal Marts around here always look like bombs went off in them, totally trashed.

The only stuff I will buy there is toothpaste, deodorant, and dog food(Jack eats Purina Beneful and Purina One, I give him a scoop of each one and he inhales the stuff)

I would never buy clothes or groceries there, and their small electrics are way to cheap-ass for me.
I don't mind paying for quality.
Wal Mart is not quality
 
Walmart and vacuums

After reading all the posts here, I wanted to add that Walmart and other "Big Box" stores are one of the main reasons that independent vacuum stores are disappearing.

I live in Charlotte, a city of just over 3 million. There are two independent vacuum stores. One is family owned and been here over 50 years and the other does more commerical sales than home sales. There are several Oreck vacuum centers and one Hoover store. In the 14 years I've been here, two independents went out of business.

As long as Walmart and the other big guys sell disposable vacuums for $100, give or take $50 either way, the independent vacuum businesses will be gone soon. Even our Kirby authorized service center is closed.

I have a small vacuum business I run out of my home and I am the only territory protected authorized Air-Way distributor and I don't think Air-Way has any plans on retailing through Walmart. This is a "side line" line for fun, more than profit, as my main source of income is with a full time employer.

How many other small businesses have been affected by the explosive growth of Walmart with it's ever reaching tentacles? And how many more will be? Will they have a medical center attached in future? With the MRI area, Emergency Treatment Area, Surgery Suites, etc., etc. I guess time will tell.
 
As a conservative (rambling here)

who believes in little government intervention and letting markets decide what is right, I come up at loggerheads with other conservatives on the whole WalMart subject.

Throughout history, there have been periods of time when cheap imports threatened the viability of US businesses and some people called for protectionism, which mostly failed.

However, there has never been a threat as big or sweeping as WalMart. Even when A & P was threatening all the little grocers 100 years ago, they did not have the size and scope of Walmart.

However, bad business practices (although legal) have been around for some time. Sears was famous for some pretty disgusting stunts. Go back 50-100 years. What Sears would do, is say you made widgets. They would offer you a fair price for widgets. They would find out who else you made widgets for. Then they would up their orders and insist on priority. Many companies would have to give up their smaller customers to focus on Sears. Once Sears found out about your loss of other customers, and that they were selling solely to Sears, boom, they would inform the company that they would only pay 50-75% of what they were paying for the product. If that drove the widget maker out of business, too bad.

Predatory business practices are not new, sadly. I have a problem with the scale here. When customers start losing choice, I get angered. Conservatives and WalMart lovers will say, "too bad for the other businesses if they can't be competitive, they should not be in business". That's fine, unless of course, this is YOUR business. People with this idiotic thinking conveniently forget about all the associated businesses that die with the small business...all THEIR suppliers, and businesses that feed into that one and support that one. These are just pushed to the side.

I guess the one that grills me the most is the same people that just love WalMart to death are the same people that scream about any lack of service.

I got into a major "argument" on another website around the service topic. I mentioned that while I don't do alot of shopping at Nordstrom, I like to buy my dress shirts there. The opposing "argumentor" basically said I was stupid, as he buys his shirts at WalMart for 1/3 the price. I asked him if they helped fit, had 1/2 sized incremental selections, replaced merchanise if the threads loosened, and if his shirts lasted dry clean after dry clean. He didn't have much to say, other than I was stupid to shop there. I informed him that my strong belief was that he suffered from sheer jealousy, that I had the ability to shop at a high-end, service oriented store whenever I did and that his meager finances allowed him to top out at buying three for one shirts at WalMart. As expected, he went ballistic. Truth hurts I guess.

More to the point, there is this idea that good service is free and should be part of bargain basement prices. I like ask people of this mindset what they do for a living. When they say, I work at Barnes and Noble, for example, I ask them how often they carry their customers' books out to the car for them, or run across the store to hold open doors, or ask people who are browing if they can help. I usually get blank stares. Ah, they expect glowing service everywhere they go, but discussions on THEIR time and effort in providing top service are off limits.

If they work in an office, I ask them how often it is that they leave at 5:00. After all, if we are talking about providing the best service up and down business, why stop at 5? Why not that extra mile? Ah, they've got things to do, places to go, etc. So staying a little late for free is rarely observed.

If they are a sales person, I ask them how often they get beaten on price. They will usually tell me that is how they get beat, but they are always trying to sell how good their service is.

Ah, I get it. When THEY are trying to sell anything, they complain by losing to low grade competitors with a cheap price. And they cry about it. But they have no problem with shopping at WalMart, and making dumba$$ arguments about how others should not be in business if they can't compete on price.

I find it amazing that there are people our there so self-absorbed that they are unable to make these simple connections to what is going on. Everyone wants to treat any retailer out there as if they are getting stiffed by some low grade used car salesmen, but expect customers and employers to pay them top dollar for THEIR time and service on the job.

Astonishing, isn't it.
 
Hold on, Charlie

It is so upsetting to see our country's great manufacturing going the way of the dinosaur. We are being forced into a disposable society, where you don't repair anything, but throw it away and buy a new disposable one. I think any repair techs are soon to be extinct. My cousin closed his vacuum shop in Syracuse. The folks would say "Why repair it when it's cheaper to buy a new one?"
Bobby in Boston
 
We had 4 independent vacuum stores here in Easton and now have zero. we had 6 independent appliance stores and are now down to one and he is struggling to stay alive. His demise maybe whatever the outcome of the Whirlpool/Maytag sale. He is a Frigidaire/Maytag dealer. His delivery help is brain dead. We bought our Frigidaire F/L from him and the guys that delivered it did not know the difference between the hot and cold connections. I was thankful they did know to remove all the shipping bolts.
 
Disposable world

Bobby,

I agree on some level if it is cheaper to buy to a new one then don't fix it.

The world we live in now also believes in disposable parents, children, wives, husbands and siblings. Why stay with any of those if it is cheaper and easier to find new ones?

I'm just glad I'm part of the old world that believes in buying quality and taking care of it. Isn't that why so many of us appreciate the vintage appliances, cars, clothing, furniture, etc.?
 
PS.............

Why bother to have nursing homes, convalescent centers and like? Aren't the people their just "disposable"? Why take care of them or "repair" them when it is cheaper to replace them?
 
Any Government Action or legislation?

Is the U.S. Government wether federal or State doing anything to stop this predatory action or are they just as useless as the Australian Parliament?
We have a supposed watchdog called the Competition and Consumer Commission however all they seem to do is approve mergers and takeovers of various companies.
Cheers.
Steve.
 
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