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Most Wal Marts around here always look like bombs went off in them, totally trashed.

The only stuff I will buy there is toothpaste, deodorant, and dog food(Jack eats Purina Beneful and Purina One, I give him a scoop of each one and he inhales the stuff)

I would never buy clothes or groceries there, and their small electrics are way to cheap-ass for me.
I don't mind paying for quality.
Wal Mart is not quality
 
Walmart and vacuums

After reading all the posts here, I wanted to add that Walmart and other "Big Box" stores are one of the main reasons that independent vacuum stores are disappearing.

I live in Charlotte, a city of just over 3 million. There are two independent vacuum stores. One is family owned and been here over 50 years and the other does more commerical sales than home sales. There are several Oreck vacuum centers and one Hoover store. In the 14 years I've been here, two independents went out of business.

As long as Walmart and the other big guys sell disposable vacuums for $100, give or take $50 either way, the independent vacuum businesses will be gone soon. Even our Kirby authorized service center is closed.

I have a small vacuum business I run out of my home and I am the only territory protected authorized Air-Way distributor and I don't think Air-Way has any plans on retailing through Walmart. This is a "side line" line for fun, more than profit, as my main source of income is with a full time employer.

How many other small businesses have been affected by the explosive growth of Walmart with it's ever reaching tentacles? And how many more will be? Will they have a medical center attached in future? With the MRI area, Emergency Treatment Area, Surgery Suites, etc., etc. I guess time will tell.
 
As a conservative (rambling here)

who believes in little government intervention and letting markets decide what is right, I come up at loggerheads with other conservatives on the whole WalMart subject.

Throughout history, there have been periods of time when cheap imports threatened the viability of US businesses and some people called for protectionism, which mostly failed.

However, there has never been a threat as big or sweeping as WalMart. Even when A & P was threatening all the little grocers 100 years ago, they did not have the size and scope of Walmart.

However, bad business practices (although legal) have been around for some time. Sears was famous for some pretty disgusting stunts. Go back 50-100 years. What Sears would do, is say you made widgets. They would offer you a fair price for widgets. They would find out who else you made widgets for. Then they would up their orders and insist on priority. Many companies would have to give up their smaller customers to focus on Sears. Once Sears found out about your loss of other customers, and that they were selling solely to Sears, boom, they would inform the company that they would only pay 50-75% of what they were paying for the product. If that drove the widget maker out of business, too bad.

Predatory business practices are not new, sadly. I have a problem with the scale here. When customers start losing choice, I get angered. Conservatives and WalMart lovers will say, "too bad for the other businesses if they can't be competitive, they should not be in business". That's fine, unless of course, this is YOUR business. People with this idiotic thinking conveniently forget about all the associated businesses that die with the small business...all THEIR suppliers, and businesses that feed into that one and support that one. These are just pushed to the side.

I guess the one that grills me the most is the same people that just love WalMart to death are the same people that scream about any lack of service.

I got into a major "argument" on another website around the service topic. I mentioned that while I don't do alot of shopping at Nordstrom, I like to buy my dress shirts there. The opposing "argumentor" basically said I was stupid, as he buys his shirts at WalMart for 1/3 the price. I asked him if they helped fit, had 1/2 sized incremental selections, replaced merchanise if the threads loosened, and if his shirts lasted dry clean after dry clean. He didn't have much to say, other than I was stupid to shop there. I informed him that my strong belief was that he suffered from sheer jealousy, that I had the ability to shop at a high-end, service oriented store whenever I did and that his meager finances allowed him to top out at buying three for one shirts at WalMart. As expected, he went ballistic. Truth hurts I guess.

More to the point, there is this idea that good service is free and should be part of bargain basement prices. I like ask people of this mindset what they do for a living. When they say, I work at Barnes and Noble, for example, I ask them how often they carry their customers' books out to the car for them, or run across the store to hold open doors, or ask people who are browing if they can help. I usually get blank stares. Ah, they expect glowing service everywhere they go, but discussions on THEIR time and effort in providing top service are off limits.

If they work in an office, I ask them how often it is that they leave at 5:00. After all, if we are talking about providing the best service up and down business, why stop at 5? Why not that extra mile? Ah, they've got things to do, places to go, etc. So staying a little late for free is rarely observed.

If they are a sales person, I ask them how often they get beaten on price. They will usually tell me that is how they get beat, but they are always trying to sell how good their service is.

Ah, I get it. When THEY are trying to sell anything, they complain by losing to low grade competitors with a cheap price. And they cry about it. But they have no problem with shopping at WalMart, and making dumba$$ arguments about how others should not be in business if they can't compete on price.

I find it amazing that there are people our there so self-absorbed that they are unable to make these simple connections to what is going on. Everyone wants to treat any retailer out there as if they are getting stiffed by some low grade used car salesmen, but expect customers and employers to pay them top dollar for THEIR time and service on the job.

Astonishing, isn't it.
 
Hold on, Charlie

It is so upsetting to see our country's great manufacturing going the way of the dinosaur. We are being forced into a disposable society, where you don't repair anything, but throw it away and buy a new disposable one. I think any repair techs are soon to be extinct. My cousin closed his vacuum shop in Syracuse. The folks would say "Why repair it when it's cheaper to buy a new one?"
Bobby in Boston
 
We had 4 independent vacuum stores here in Easton and now have zero. we had 6 independent appliance stores and are now down to one and he is struggling to stay alive. His demise maybe whatever the outcome of the Whirlpool/Maytag sale. He is a Frigidaire/Maytag dealer. His delivery help is brain dead. We bought our Frigidaire F/L from him and the guys that delivered it did not know the difference between the hot and cold connections. I was thankful they did know to remove all the shipping bolts.
 
Disposable world

Bobby,

I agree on some level if it is cheaper to buy to a new one then don't fix it.

The world we live in now also believes in disposable parents, children, wives, husbands and siblings. Why stay with any of those if it is cheaper and easier to find new ones?

I'm just glad I'm part of the old world that believes in buying quality and taking care of it. Isn't that why so many of us appreciate the vintage appliances, cars, clothing, furniture, etc.?
 
PS.............

Why bother to have nursing homes, convalescent centers and like? Aren't the people their just "disposable"? Why take care of them or "repair" them when it is cheaper to replace them?
 
Any Government Action or legislation?

Is the U.S. Government wether federal or State doing anything to stop this predatory action or are they just as useless as the Australian Parliament?
We have a supposed watchdog called the Competition and Consumer Commission however all they seem to do is approve mergers and takeovers of various companies.
Cheers.
Steve.
 
My two sense..........

Wal Mart is everything that is WRONG with America and capitalism, but a good thing doesn't last forever. We must take consolation in the fact that Wal Mart will eventually eat itself and end up the way A&P did (remember them?). Going for a quick and easy profit does not meet with longevity. Everything they preach and practice as far as business goes is for the NOW and not the LATER. But what does Wal Mart's higher ups care, they made their money and then some. After the smoke clears all that's left is a bunch of bankrupt companies and people scrambling for new jobs while corporate suits and tacticians kick back and watch. It's all about a handful of people making money, not an fair and even distribution of wealth. It's always been this way though, but this takes the cake. I believe everybody can benefit from capitalism but we have somehow forgotten this. This is a bad trend in business that we are currently experiencing. I can't wait for it to end. Die already Wal Mart!
 
Getting back to the Snapper angle of the story, it reminds me of Maytag in a way. The management, a few years back, had such a boner to get into Sears. At meetings with the independent dealers, they told us to relax, "Your business will actually increase with our presence in Sears." um, ok. Next, they needed in bLowe's, HD, et al. The Dependable Care models were way too expensive to sit in one of these showrooms next to cheap Frigidaires, GE's, etc, so along comes the el cheapo Performa. Yippee. This is where Maytag went downhill. They were chasing the bottom of the market & VOLUME versus stroking & massaging the independent dealer chain and quality products. Screw the folks that actually sell & SERVICE our products. Go for the volume & low prices. Look where it got them. Maytag used to be about premium dependable products, but they were seduced by the low-cost, low-price, volume mentality. As much as some folks like the redesigned NorgeChefTag, it is not such a great washer. The cabinets rust inside badly, horrible load balancing, etc. Then again, judging by the amount of 2-4 year old Kenmore & WP washers in my warehouse......but I digress.
 
Couldn't agree with you more kevinpreston

Walmart is opening those huge God awful super centers about every 1/4 mile here in Las Vegas-I'm offended each time I see another "coming soon" sign. What is truly sad is that there are people to whom you have to explain the difference between buying a shirt at Nordstrom and buying 3 at Walmart.
 
It's like everything elsen - quantity over quality. Now every store will become a Macy's, even the venerated and much loved Marshall Field's. So far no one has been able to explain to me how Federated's fatass president Terry Lundrgen's national market saturation strategy benefits the consumer. It isn't like the Macy's national presence actually expands merchandise selection or provides the advantage of better pricing.

So far all I can see is heavier pockets for Mr Lundgren and his "big deal" management team - while the rest of the US retailers disappear and lose individuality. In some ways, it's a lot like George Orwell's 1984 predicted, but a bit later......
 
Sure makes me glad the closest store of this genre near me is a Target, which is about a mile from my house compared to two miles and change for the nearest Wal-Fart. If it was the other way around, I would put up with the five-mile round trip to placate my conscience.

Hooray for Snapper for telling Wally World to f*** off!
 
Yes indeed Mr. Snapper chairman.

True story. Partner Jeff here with me USED to deal with *Wal-Fart* in the garden center business of being a plant vendor. Oh the days he would come home and tell me how the $10.00 "HOURLY" B***H would give him all sorts of hell about what she did NOT need from his company. Like she owned the damn joint. Case and point, it goes to even the Janitor's head that they work for the giant. I take not shit from them and like others here, will drive 10 miles to Target before stepping foot in that place. Please Crash Soon-- C Ya.
 
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