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aquarius1984
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LMAO!!!!!!!!
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westyslantfront
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Hi Neil. Video worked great and was funny.
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No offence to Neil, Nick, Westy or anyone who liked it because `live and let live', but I'm gonna offer an alternative view.
I didn't really like it because they needed to film upset babies to get the footage. One of the the young people, in paticular was, I would say, crying when they took his picture which they then use to entertain us. We wouldn't use animation of upset adults to entertain us, so why is it ok to laugh at upset babies?
There seems to be this acceptance that babies crying is normal. I don't agree. A baby cries to communicate a need and if the need is not met, the baby is still upset. It is statistically normal in the UK for a baby to cry for something like 90 minutes a day. I think my toddler may not have cried that long in his whole life, because my wife and I have not allowed it to happen. Obviously, if a child is unlucky enough to be unwell in some way, I understand that no matter how much care s/he gets, s'he would cry more. But I don't think it's ok to leave a baby to cry him/herself to sleep for an hour or to make him/her wait for four hours (or whatever the guide book the parent happens to be reading says is the accepted limit) for food, so by the time the food comes baby is so hungry s/he eats too fast and sicks some of it back... would you accept being treated like this as adults?
No, you're right. I'm not exactly Richard Ferber's biggest fan. And believe me, my kid is in a good routine without all that stuff, eg whereby he now glady takes himself to bed at roughly the same time each night (around 8PM), blows us a kiss and says `See when wake up!
And don't even start me on that horrible Supernanny thing with the `naughty step'. How absolutely wicked and psychologically damaging for the children when incompetent parents who probably should never have had kids in the first place are then empowered to punish them, when it's all their fault anyway!
That's just me.
(Sits backs and waits for the fireworks.......)
Nick
I didn't really like it because they needed to film upset babies to get the footage. One of the the young people, in paticular was, I would say, crying when they took his picture which they then use to entertain us. We wouldn't use animation of upset adults to entertain us, so why is it ok to laugh at upset babies?
There seems to be this acceptance that babies crying is normal. I don't agree. A baby cries to communicate a need and if the need is not met, the baby is still upset. It is statistically normal in the UK for a baby to cry for something like 90 minutes a day. I think my toddler may not have cried that long in his whole life, because my wife and I have not allowed it to happen. Obviously, if a child is unlucky enough to be unwell in some way, I understand that no matter how much care s/he gets, s'he would cry more. But I don't think it's ok to leave a baby to cry him/herself to sleep for an hour or to make him/her wait for four hours (or whatever the guide book the parent happens to be reading says is the accepted limit) for food, so by the time the food comes baby is so hungry s/he eats too fast and sicks some of it back... would you accept being treated like this as adults?
No, you're right. I'm not exactly Richard Ferber's biggest fan. And believe me, my kid is in a good routine without all that stuff, eg whereby he now glady takes himself to bed at roughly the same time each night (around 8PM), blows us a kiss and says `See when wake up!
And don't even start me on that horrible Supernanny thing with the `naughty step'. How absolutely wicked and psychologically damaging for the children when incompetent parents who probably should never have had kids in the first place are then empowered to punish them, when it's all their fault anyway!
That's just me.
(Sits backs and waits for the fireworks.......)
Nick
I'm with you Nick on the Supernanny and other such parenting wisdom spouted these days. When we had problems with our wee one sleeping, we were advised to try controlled crying - we decided we weren't even going there, and let things work through then she started sleeping through without any big hassle and screaming.
There's a lot of nonsense spouted and I am furious at the news that the government is planning on spending a huge amount of money on "supernannies".
I'll not go on more just now, because I'll end up derailing the thread further.
There's a lot of nonsense spouted and I am furious at the news that the government is planning on spending a huge amount of money on "supernannies".
I'll not go on more just now, because I'll end up derailing the thread further.
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and *Pampers* is a trademark for a brand of commercially manufactured disposable diaper! (lol)
Not Ranting - Honest 
(Long Post - Sorry)
I can understand nickuk’s views on babies crying in this video. I hesitated to watch it at first anyway, but I watched for all of five seconds.
There was something similar to this some time ago with babies or children having photos taken of them where they were crying. It was believed the babies and children were made to cry for them to appear in those photos for some ‘art’ exhibition.
As for ‘new’ parenting ideas, don’t get me started on that. Of course, I do not have a clue of what it is like to have my own child, but one could to led to believe that almost all parenting before Supernanny appeared is somehow wrong.
I have nothing against Jo Frost, but I do dislike many of the Supernanny-esque ideas coming about these days. Without wishing to sound dreadfully old-fashioned, much of these Supernanny-esque is nonsense to me, but I dare not criticise it on mainstream Internet message boards (when I do visit them) for fear of appearing out of step with so-called modern thinking. I have heard some ideas from Supernanny et al, and I think some may be pretty good.
However, despite parents not receiving instruction manuals for their children, I really do wish many parents would try to look back at ideas that *have* worked in the past. I do know, of course, that many ideas used in times gone by were quite cruel perhaps – not listening to children, beating them almost senseless, etc. – and I am not advocating that. But I really do believe there is a strange consensus, a type of follow thy leader approach, to many ideas in life these days.
I shall give you an example: regarding my condition (M.E./CFS/CFIDS), there is a mountain of established and peer-reviewed medical literature on it that stretches right back to before the First World War. This literature states that M.E. et al is a neurological condition without any psychiatric basis whatsoever that requires plenty of rest, relaxation and listening to the patient. The less you do, generally the better you feel… do not exercise because there is just no need to… no-one’s muscles will waste away to nothing, etc. The chances of a relapse are lower if rest is administered in the early stages, although some do deteriorate anyway. The alternative name for M.E. was/is Post-viral Fatigue Syndrome.
The problem is that some in the medical established decided, in the 1970s, to revisit M.E., declaring outbreaks and incidences of it to be “hysteria”; thus began the process of denigrating the aetiology (basis/cause) and severity of ME. In the 1980s, some prominent psychiatrists decided to call M.E. “Chronic Fatigue Syndrome” instead, lumping in all sorts of fatigue states and behavioural disorders, which M.E. certainly is not. M.E. is in the UN WHO’s International Classification of Diseases as a neurological condition, and has been for decades.
The psychiatrist’s ‘new’ ideas turned the notion that rest is good for M.E. on its head, suggesting that laziness and mental problems play a part and that sufferers need to get exercising. That is nonsense.
Gradually, as the years went by, patients’ advocacy was ruined, leading to the situation today where the Government’s NICE (National Institute for Clinical Excellence) will be issuing guidelines, virtually ignoring patients’ charities submissions, that will recommend graded exercise and psychotherapy. Oh, wonderful. As for severely affected people like me? Nothing. Well, apart from some of my other friends being sectioned (committed) under the Mental Health Act to a psychiatric ward when they simply cannot look after themselves because they cannot move and yet have no history of psychiatric problems. It happens – believe me. (Sorry to sound like a victim, but so-called ‘new’ experts *really* get on my nerves so much at times. I was assessed for any psychiatric problems by a physiatrist, and I was cleared of anything.)
What I am saying here, then, is that there are established ways of parenting – although I admit the babies are considerably more complex – but that many established ways that work are being pushed aside because some new upstart decides they have better ideas for the ‘problem children’ we have these days. It’s preciously that sort of nonsense, feeble-minded parenting that has resulted in at least two generations of unruly, distrustful and moronic people. Children need discipline and automatic respect for adults. The problem these days is that children are treated like mini adults – they are not.
There is also, I believe, a rather worrying lack of respect for many children these days because I have witnessed children being smacked and shouted at in public by nasty parents who clearly do not have a clue what they are doing. Neither do I have a clue what I am doing, but I certainly would not do that.
The fact is that many children are completely uncontrollable because their parents probably were, too, and they simply have no idea what to do and are given feeble advice on how to bring up their children. Children do need a constituently firm but loving hand – not a cruel one – and I do not think many parents know how to consistently look after their children, preferring to take the easy option of saying to their other half, “Just leave it – can’t be bothered.” I had this discussion at school over six years ago, and the teachers, most of who were parents, felt the same about parents and their children – that things really are worse today and that many parents are, quite frankly, spineless.
Some parents and their children do have problems, be it behavioural or otherwise, and that is somewhat different to the feckless parents and children who simply cannot be bothered to respect others. Well disciplined children are often happier because of their upbringing, and they often live far better lives, feeling more ‘free’ as a result. By discipline, I do not mean fear, smacking or bullying. I do agree that parents should be able to tap their children on the arm to punishment them if all other options fail to stop them in their tracks, but only with children aged 2 and over. Smacking on the head, legs or torso could be dangerous. Smacking children under the age of 2 is illegal in Scotland, and rightly so. Even then, I do not like smacking, and smacking cannot be allowed in schools, where many teachers simply would not administer it if giving the power to do so. I certainly would not when I become a teacher and such a law allowed it. No law would ever be brought in anyway in the UK along those lines.
Mum likes some of the new ideas, but she admits that much of them would take too long in practise to enforce, preferring to instead reprimand immediately on the spot (as happened with my sister and I). Dad just gets angry at the programmes, suggesting, like you did nickuk, that many of the ideas are just cruel – and wrong. Regarding babies’ crying, Dad said the same – my sister and I were not left to cry because it is important to always check everything is OK. Babies may want attention, but they may also want something far more important, so there is no harm in checking. (I asked Dad about this tonight just to check. Well, I haven’t got a clue, have I?! LOL I just know how to instruct children aged 11+! LOL)
I know I have drifted way off-topic now, but I really do wish that there would be stop to incessant revisiting of established ideas that work. I look forward to new ideas – we do not want to be chained to the past – but I just wish those who put forward such ideas about parenting and other social issues would look back at history and see what actually worked instead of looking at them with their blinkers on. I do not want to hark back to some bygone age, some of which was quite nasty at times, with children not opening up during cases of abuse, which *still* happens today, for example.
My apologies if I have ruffled any feathers. And no – I do not read the UK’s Daily Mail newspaper! LOL Please do speak to me or reply if you think I have gone too far. I am calm – honest! – but I just feel that children and their parents really are getting a raw deal in many ways because they are bombarded with daft messages on how to live I get so irritated at times, but not at any of the posts here, so do not worry, nickuk. You can kick my Miele in if you want to when you visit in the future. ;-)
No! Wait, nickuk! Kick the Hotpoint dishwasher in instead – we want a Miele! ;-)
Take care, and please do not take any offence at what I have said.
Regards,
Carl
(Long Post - Sorry)I can understand nickuk’s views on babies crying in this video. I hesitated to watch it at first anyway, but I watched for all of five seconds.
There was something similar to this some time ago with babies or children having photos taken of them where they were crying. It was believed the babies and children were made to cry for them to appear in those photos for some ‘art’ exhibition.
As for ‘new’ parenting ideas, don’t get me started on that. Of course, I do not have a clue of what it is like to have my own child, but one could to led to believe that almost all parenting before Supernanny appeared is somehow wrong.
I have nothing against Jo Frost, but I do dislike many of the Supernanny-esque ideas coming about these days. Without wishing to sound dreadfully old-fashioned, much of these Supernanny-esque is nonsense to me, but I dare not criticise it on mainstream Internet message boards (when I do visit them) for fear of appearing out of step with so-called modern thinking. I have heard some ideas from Supernanny et al, and I think some may be pretty good.
However, despite parents not receiving instruction manuals for their children, I really do wish many parents would try to look back at ideas that *have* worked in the past. I do know, of course, that many ideas used in times gone by were quite cruel perhaps – not listening to children, beating them almost senseless, etc. – and I am not advocating that. But I really do believe there is a strange consensus, a type of follow thy leader approach, to many ideas in life these days.
I shall give you an example: regarding my condition (M.E./CFS/CFIDS), there is a mountain of established and peer-reviewed medical literature on it that stretches right back to before the First World War. This literature states that M.E. et al is a neurological condition without any psychiatric basis whatsoever that requires plenty of rest, relaxation and listening to the patient. The less you do, generally the better you feel… do not exercise because there is just no need to… no-one’s muscles will waste away to nothing, etc. The chances of a relapse are lower if rest is administered in the early stages, although some do deteriorate anyway. The alternative name for M.E. was/is Post-viral Fatigue Syndrome.
The problem is that some in the medical established decided, in the 1970s, to revisit M.E., declaring outbreaks and incidences of it to be “hysteria”; thus began the process of denigrating the aetiology (basis/cause) and severity of ME. In the 1980s, some prominent psychiatrists decided to call M.E. “Chronic Fatigue Syndrome” instead, lumping in all sorts of fatigue states and behavioural disorders, which M.E. certainly is not. M.E. is in the UN WHO’s International Classification of Diseases as a neurological condition, and has been for decades.
The psychiatrist’s ‘new’ ideas turned the notion that rest is good for M.E. on its head, suggesting that laziness and mental problems play a part and that sufferers need to get exercising. That is nonsense.
Gradually, as the years went by, patients’ advocacy was ruined, leading to the situation today where the Government’s NICE (National Institute for Clinical Excellence) will be issuing guidelines, virtually ignoring patients’ charities submissions, that will recommend graded exercise and psychotherapy. Oh, wonderful. As for severely affected people like me? Nothing. Well, apart from some of my other friends being sectioned (committed) under the Mental Health Act to a psychiatric ward when they simply cannot look after themselves because they cannot move and yet have no history of psychiatric problems. It happens – believe me. (Sorry to sound like a victim, but so-called ‘new’ experts *really* get on my nerves so much at times. I was assessed for any psychiatric problems by a physiatrist, and I was cleared of anything.)
What I am saying here, then, is that there are established ways of parenting – although I admit the babies are considerably more complex – but that many established ways that work are being pushed aside because some new upstart decides they have better ideas for the ‘problem children’ we have these days. It’s preciously that sort of nonsense, feeble-minded parenting that has resulted in at least two generations of unruly, distrustful and moronic people. Children need discipline and automatic respect for adults. The problem these days is that children are treated like mini adults – they are not.
There is also, I believe, a rather worrying lack of respect for many children these days because I have witnessed children being smacked and shouted at in public by nasty parents who clearly do not have a clue what they are doing. Neither do I have a clue what I am doing, but I certainly would not do that.
The fact is that many children are completely uncontrollable because their parents probably were, too, and they simply have no idea what to do and are given feeble advice on how to bring up their children. Children do need a constituently firm but loving hand – not a cruel one – and I do not think many parents know how to consistently look after their children, preferring to take the easy option of saying to their other half, “Just leave it – can’t be bothered.” I had this discussion at school over six years ago, and the teachers, most of who were parents, felt the same about parents and their children – that things really are worse today and that many parents are, quite frankly, spineless.
Some parents and their children do have problems, be it behavioural or otherwise, and that is somewhat different to the feckless parents and children who simply cannot be bothered to respect others. Well disciplined children are often happier because of their upbringing, and they often live far better lives, feeling more ‘free’ as a result. By discipline, I do not mean fear, smacking or bullying. I do agree that parents should be able to tap their children on the arm to punishment them if all other options fail to stop them in their tracks, but only with children aged 2 and over. Smacking on the head, legs or torso could be dangerous. Smacking children under the age of 2 is illegal in Scotland, and rightly so. Even then, I do not like smacking, and smacking cannot be allowed in schools, where many teachers simply would not administer it if giving the power to do so. I certainly would not when I become a teacher and such a law allowed it. No law would ever be brought in anyway in the UK along those lines.
Mum likes some of the new ideas, but she admits that much of them would take too long in practise to enforce, preferring to instead reprimand immediately on the spot (as happened with my sister and I). Dad just gets angry at the programmes, suggesting, like you did nickuk, that many of the ideas are just cruel – and wrong. Regarding babies’ crying, Dad said the same – my sister and I were not left to cry because it is important to always check everything is OK. Babies may want attention, but they may also want something far more important, so there is no harm in checking. (I asked Dad about this tonight just to check.
Well, I haven’t got a clue, have I?! LOL I just know how to instruct children aged 11+! LOL)I know I have drifted way off-topic now, but I really do wish that there would be stop to incessant revisiting of established ideas that work. I look forward to new ideas – we do not want to be chained to the past – but I just wish those who put forward such ideas about parenting and other social issues would look back at history and see what actually worked instead of looking at them with their blinkers on. I do not want to hark back to some bygone age, some of which was quite nasty at times, with children not opening up during cases of abuse, which *still* happens today, for example.
My apologies if I have ruffled any feathers. And no – I do not read the UK’s Daily Mail newspaper! LOL Please do speak to me or reply if you think I have gone too far. I am calm – honest! – but I just feel that children and their parents really are getting a raw deal in many ways because they are bombarded with daft messages on how to live I get so irritated at times, but not at any of the posts here, so do not worry, nickuk.
You can kick my Miele in if you want to when you visit in the future. ;-)No! Wait, nickuk! Kick the Hotpoint dishwasher in instead – we want a Miele! ;-)
Take care, and please do not take any offence at what I have said.
Regards,
Carl
aquarius1984
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Neil,
Um Im not ganging up on you as I was the first to laugh at the video however on reflection and reading Nicks and Carls comments I have to hang my head in shame and agree with them.....
Im not saying I didnt laugh because I did and I feel really awful for not having the maturity considering my upcomimg career change ...touch wood. Im not making excuses or pulling a sympathy vote, just merely saying I WAS WRONG.
Im usually the first to cringe and feel emotional about hearing a baby really sob his heart out because his Mum is'nt catering to his needs there and then in a supermarket. And I cant help but feel im a hypocrite.
I was brought up well I think although, yes I have seen the back of my Mums hand several times like most kids have thru various naughty sessions....and I dont believe it has done me any harm. However I do believe in other "modern methods' (and no I dont mean the naughty step either), for small offences.
And yes I do believe in bringing up children "right' from the word go,( even the best parents produce a kid who has bad days and does whatever thats unacceptable in anyway shape or form) Love, routines and decent diets are my No.1 priority, Playing and Stimulation of the little uns brain a 2nd however I feel both priorities go hand in hand but its not something I know much about.
As much as Id love to be a Dad at my age (yup I have such a love for children I cant wait to meet my own) I know im not educated enough on them.
Once is enough for a slap on the backs of a childs legs for serious offences such as swearing. Again Even the best behaved children with cautious Parents pick up words they shouldnt thanks to modern TV broadcasting rules and external factors.
But..... I have spent a few days pondering the whole smacking method. For those of you who dont know im hoping on getting into teaching high school Food Technology, touch wood I get into university next Sept.
As a teacher I wont have the right to smack naughty children and will have to use approved methods in appropriateness, so does this mean I should change my attitude for my own children?
Most of all Neil dont feel cut up about the post, I feel as though Im glad to have made/read these comments as we can often forget how to think before we say something, me more than anyone and im slowly learning when its appropriate to say something. BTW please dont think im Patronizing you in anyway, I feel your a decent guy and will understand where im coming from. If anything I have learnt another lesson and a darn valuable one at that.
All the best mate,
Nick
Um Im not ganging up on you as I was the first to laugh at the video however on reflection and reading Nicks and Carls comments I have to hang my head in shame and agree with them.....
Im not saying I didnt laugh because I did and I feel really awful for not having the maturity considering my upcomimg career change ...touch wood. Im not making excuses or pulling a sympathy vote, just merely saying I WAS WRONG.
Im usually the first to cringe and feel emotional about hearing a baby really sob his heart out because his Mum is'nt catering to his needs there and then in a supermarket. And I cant help but feel im a hypocrite.
I was brought up well I think although, yes I have seen the back of my Mums hand several times like most kids have thru various naughty sessions....and I dont believe it has done me any harm. However I do believe in other "modern methods' (and no I dont mean the naughty step either), for small offences.
And yes I do believe in bringing up children "right' from the word go,( even the best parents produce a kid who has bad days and does whatever thats unacceptable in anyway shape or form) Love, routines and decent diets are my No.1 priority, Playing and Stimulation of the little uns brain a 2nd however I feel both priorities go hand in hand but its not something I know much about.
As much as Id love to be a Dad at my age (yup I have such a love for children I cant wait to meet my own) I know im not educated enough on them.
Once is enough for a slap on the backs of a childs legs for serious offences such as swearing. Again Even the best behaved children with cautious Parents pick up words they shouldnt thanks to modern TV broadcasting rules and external factors.
But..... I have spent a few days pondering the whole smacking method. For those of you who dont know im hoping on getting into teaching high school Food Technology, touch wood I get into university next Sept.
As a teacher I wont have the right to smack naughty children and will have to use approved methods in appropriateness, so does this mean I should change my attitude for my own children?
Most of all Neil dont feel cut up about the post, I feel as though Im glad to have made/read these comments as we can often forget how to think before we say something, me more than anyone and im slowly learning when its appropriate to say something. BTW please dont think im Patronizing you in anyway, I feel your a decent guy and will understand where im coming from. If anything I have learnt another lesson and a darn valuable one at that.
All the best mate,
Nick
dahlinks,
I saw the video -ok, pretty lame, but mei o mei - can it be that just a wee bit of political correctness has spread its ugly tendrils around us?
It is only a bunch of heads animated (poorly) while a rather trite song is sung.
I, personally, don't find anything appealing about pictures of little boys pissing or girls sitting on chamber pots - but that is the standard sign for "men" and "women" throughout central Europe in public facilities.
But I don't share the typical US reaction...oh, dear - that's pedophilia...a comment one hears from tourists here constantly.
Or the old ad for a suntan lotion in which a dog pulled down a corner of a young girl's bikini bottom...that one got pulled because of the PC crowd, too.
Let's concentrate our energy on taking the real pedophiles out of circulation and providing our children with the best start in life possible.
As for the super nannies, well, I agree: None of these parents should have ever reproduced.
Or, perhaps, better: Remember when your frustrated mum said: Just wait until YOU have children - I hope they turn out JUST like you.
Maybe her wish came true...
I saw the video -ok, pretty lame, but mei o mei - can it be that just a wee bit of political correctness has spread its ugly tendrils around us?
It is only a bunch of heads animated (poorly) while a rather trite song is sung.
I, personally, don't find anything appealing about pictures of little boys pissing or girls sitting on chamber pots - but that is the standard sign for "men" and "women" throughout central Europe in public facilities.
But I don't share the typical US reaction...oh, dear - that's pedophilia...a comment one hears from tourists here constantly.
Or the old ad for a suntan lotion in which a dog pulled down a corner of a young girl's bikini bottom...that one got pulled because of the PC crowd, too.
Let's concentrate our energy on taking the real pedophiles out of circulation and providing our children with the best start in life possible.
As for the super nannies, well, I agree: None of these parents should have ever reproduced.
Or, perhaps, better: Remember when your frustrated mum said: Just wait until YOU have children - I hope they turn out JUST like you.
Maybe her wish came true...
I dont feel cut up at all
I still like it, so I thought I would share it here in good faith. It was sent to me and so far only here has it received negative comments. At the end of the day its just a video, nothing more , nothing less. You cant please everyone ... No should you !
Im not going to share all my views, they will offend. Hence short post.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I still like it, so I thought I would share it here in good faith. It was sent to me and so far only here has it received negative comments. At the end of the day its just a video, nothing more , nothing less. You cant please everyone ... No should you !
Im not going to share all my views, they will offend. Hence short post.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aquarius1984
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Neil
I am sorry if I have offended you. Im not following the pack, just looking at myself within. I still find it a hoot i have to admit but i understand that things like this offend certain people rightly, and I need to be sensitive about the issue.
Hope this does not jeopardise the friendly chats we have bben having lately.
Nick
I am sorry if I have offended you. Im not following the pack, just looking at myself within. I still find it a hoot i have to admit but i understand that things like this offend certain people rightly, and I need to be sensitive about the issue.
Hope this does not jeopardise the friendly chats we have bben having lately.
Nick
I don't understand what the fuss is about. I read the thread first and then saw the video. I agree with Keven, just a poor animation.
Nick,
I thought the whole concept of smacking children was out in Western Europe. I think it's even going to be forbidden by law here in the Netherlands, just like in most Scandinavian countries. Although I don't have children and don't want them either, so I'm not an expert by experience, I would never use force against a child.
Nick,
I thought the whole concept of smacking children was out in Western Europe. I think it's even going to be forbidden by law here in the Netherlands, just like in most Scandinavian countries. Although I don't have children and don't want them either, so I'm not an expert by experience, I would never use force against a child.
When I saw the title yesterday
at the public library with their fast connexion, I thought "hmm, maybe a Speed Queen model heretofore unknown".
Imagine my surpise when it's this not a particularly funny video. My objection is more along the lines of "it's not funny enough."
Not a parent here, either, but I usually don't go around correcting other peoples children, even the ones who need a lot of correction.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
at the public library with their fast connexion, I thought "hmm, maybe a Speed Queen model heretofore unknown".
Imagine my surpise when it's this not a particularly funny video. My objection is more along the lines of "it's not funny enough."
Not a parent here, either, but I usually don't go around correcting other peoples children, even the ones who need a lot of correction.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
aquarius1984
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Louis
please dont get me wrong.... im not a parent myself but analysing how I was brought up I can only say smacking works.
I belong to the "It never did me any harm' school. I was a smacked child, although once was enough with my mums hand across the backs of my legs.
I never misbehaved in that fashion twice.
It only figures as a "sensibly' smacked child as to why I dont terrorise the neighbourhood, use fowl language very often and have respect for my elders.
I condone 1 slap on the leg personally, its not cruel and im not pshycologically affected by it either.
However I can see your concern. And i dont condone more than 1 slap or using a weapon such as a belt either.
I am in the process of mulling my train of thought over and rest assured I am not a cruel person.... children suffering at the fate of evil monsters such as Fred West and the such sickens me.
Nick
please dont get me wrong.... im not a parent myself but analysing how I was brought up I can only say smacking works.
I belong to the "It never did me any harm' school. I was a smacked child, although once was enough with my mums hand across the backs of my legs.
I never misbehaved in that fashion twice.
It only figures as a "sensibly' smacked child as to why I dont terrorise the neighbourhood, use fowl language very often and have respect for my elders.
I condone 1 slap on the leg personally, its not cruel and im not pshycologically affected by it either.
However I can see your concern. And i dont condone more than 1 slap or using a weapon such as a belt either.
I am in the process of mulling my train of thought over and rest assured I am not a cruel person.... children suffering at the fate of evil monsters such as Fred West and the such sickens me.
Nick
smack or no
Here in Germany we do not hit children. Our children are just as beastly and horrid as in Austria, where they do still hit them (before this escalates out of control, "hit" means a slap with the bare hand across the bottom. One.)
I, personally, fail to see how physical violence teaches anything except physical violence.
Firm discipline, yes. Physically attacking, no.
I still don't see the harm in the film tho' and think we are all too conditioned by the hysterical, reed-thin vegan-blonds who run around accusing everyone of being anti-female-pedophile-anti-this-that-and-the-other when we don't cave in to their views.
Not that I feel strongly about this, or anything.
Here in Germany we do not hit children. Our children are just as beastly and horrid as in Austria, where they do still hit them (before this escalates out of control, "hit" means a slap with the bare hand across the bottom. One.)
I, personally, fail to see how physical violence teaches anything except physical violence.
Firm discipline, yes. Physically attacking, no.
I still don't see the harm in the film tho' and think we are all too conditioned by the hysterical, reed-thin vegan-blonds who run around accusing everyone of being anti-female-pedophile-anti-this-that-and-the-other when we don't cave in to their views.
Not that I feel strongly about this, or anything.
Apparently many of today's parents have issues with being disiplinarians.
Apperently saying "NO, you may not!" is verboten. Setting boundaries and rules is anathema. And finally rembering that the child is the child and that the parent is the parent (not the other way around) could probably use a bit of re-enforcemnt.
My nieces don't pull any non-sense with me that they try on their mother. Since I have to be the "cool" uncle that chaperones them to functions and events [so they are not seen with their "relic" parents] as teens and pre-teens, they had better learn to listen NOW!
Tough love. Not a bad concept, when mixed-in with some mushy love!
BTW with 5 nieces, I will be buying stock in Playtex and various products by the gross! (ducks and runs)
Apperently saying "NO, you may not!" is verboten. Setting boundaries and rules is anathema. And finally rembering that the child is the child and that the parent is the parent (not the other way around) could probably use a bit of re-enforcemnt.
My nieces don't pull any non-sense with me that they try on their mother. Since I have to be the "cool" uncle that chaperones them to functions and events [so they are not seen with their "relic" parents] as teens and pre-teens, they had better learn to listen NOW!
Tough love. Not a bad concept, when mixed-in with some mushy love!
BTW with 5 nieces, I will be buying stock in Playtex and various products by the gross! (ducks and runs)
Sorry for the rant!
Apparently many of today's parents have issues with being disiplinarians.
I don't have an "issue" with it....but given today's laws and how it effects us as Parents, yes Steve, it is a problem.
Esp. hard when only ONE parent is the mother, father, sister and brother, and big brother CPS is watching over you. (Not that they are watching me!LOL)
Back in the 60's...when we did something wrong, we got the belt for it. And we DIDN'T do it again.
And look how wonderful I turned out! *sneer*
I hope I survive the next 3 years. I am literally going to run away when she turns 18, and move into a adult community where there are NO KIDS allowed!
I've been parenting since 1979.....I'm tired!
Selfish me.
C~
Apparently many of today's parents have issues with being disiplinarians.
I don't have an "issue" with it....but given today's laws and how it effects us as Parents, yes Steve, it is a problem.
Esp. hard when only ONE parent is the mother, father, sister and brother, and big brother CPS is watching over you. (Not that they are watching me!LOL)
Back in the 60's...when we did something wrong, we got the belt for it. And we DIDN'T do it again.
And look how wonderful I turned out! *sneer*
I hope I survive the next 3 years. I am literally going to run away when she turns 18, and move into a adult community where there are NO KIDS allowed!
I've been parenting since 1979.....I'm tired!
Selfish me.
C~
