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When I was in Santa Barbara in ‘77 I saw Burl Ives driving a silver AMC Pacer in Montecito. I was kind of surprised that a movie actor would be driving such a plebeian automobile. The Pacer was ugly as homemade sin.

BTW, Fred MacMurray lived in Forestville on the Russian River and he drove a beat up, dusty, Tan Volkswagon Squareback. I saw him driving it a few times. He also didn’t have on his toupee either. He looked like any other old man.

Eddie
 
bradfordwhite wrote:

"The (Pacer) engine wasn't reliable"

 

 

The AMC inline six that was built from 1964 to 2006 wasn't reliable?  You've got to be kidding!

 

The only cars that rusted as quickly as Chevy Vegas in the early 1970s were Hondas.

 

The Hondas, Toyota Corollas, and Datsuns were more likely to catch fire in a rear end collision than a Ford Pinto.
 
AMC cars were mechanically sound. And Nash and Rambler, the predecessors of AMC were very innovative automobile companies in their day. The main problem with AMC was that their body styling was sorely lacking in modern appeal. Had they been able to move with the times in styling they may have had a chance at survival.

Eddie
 
4 door '78 cutlass..

found a slant back 4 door Cutlass at the junkyard in 1995:it had a chevy 305 under the hood.I liked the look of the car and it was in pretty decent condition,but I did not like the 2 extra doors...Now I would love to have that car.:)
 
O..M..G

The "Thing"

When I was forced to take organ/music lessons in the 70s, someone who lived or worked in the area always had a white one with the convertible top down parked on the street.

and I've seen this vehicle used in at least 2 movies. Why?
I think Steve Martin was in one...I don't WANT to remember...

Doug D. insults the talents of children.



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Our neighbor had something similar. I believe it was a maroon color and always well cared for and garage kept. In fact their house, in our 1960 built tract home subdivision with only 3 different models, had to be one of the shining jewels.

Perfect lawn, perfectly trimmed bushes and shrubs. They spent the $$ to rip out the contractor grade sidewalks and gravel drive and put in new curved edged sidewalks in different places from where they old ones were.
They were the only ones with air conditioning (sleeve AC), had all the latest 60s/70s furnishings, and he was knowledgeable. They even had a harvest gold Fridgidaire I-18 set in their carpeted kitchen that matched their other harvest gold appliances.

I would not doubt if he did all the maintenance.
Their son Mark had a transAm and worked at Kent. Fried Chicken. This was 74-76ish.
 
It was an after thought, like most small U.S. made cars

The Pacer was hardly an "afterthought." It was intended to be revolutionary. I had never seen one till I was an exchange student to near Chicago in 1981. They certainly caught my eye, and I did a bit of reading up on them.

 

The thinking behind the development of the Pacer was that people were looking to smaller cars, but still wanted more space inside. AMC figured that making a car shorter but keeping it wide and tall was a way to give people what they wanted. But AMC were a much smaller organization that the big 3 and like several previous models, AMC continued some old-model AMC technology to keep costs down. AMC also used some components common with rival cars, IIRC the Hornet (and thus probably the Gremlin?) used shock absorbers from the Ford Falcon, for example.

The Pacer's engine was intended to be a brand new rotary engine that AMC was going to source from GM. This would have been compact and light weight. But GM canned the rotary engine project at the last minute, due to a combination of spiraling fuel costs (rotaries were notoriously thirsty) and severe reliability problems with rotary engines used in German NSU Ro80 cars, which eventually led to such high warranty claims that NSU folded and was swallowed by VW group.

 

So AMC had to find an engine for the Pacer at the last minute - and decided to shoe-horn in the ancient AMC six, which really did the Pacer no favours. It was much longer and heavier, which ruined space efficiency, gave heavy steering, upset handling and drank fuel.

 

I really liked the styling on the wagon version of the Pacer - it was a better balanced look. The Pacer was at least cleanly styled and not over-decorated like most American cars of the time. I'm also a fan of the styling of the original AMC Hornet, though later updates with the huge bumpers ruined the clean simple style of the Hornet.

 

BTW, Hornets and Matadors were assembled here in Melbourne by Australian Motor Industries from imported components. They were expensive and sold in small numbers. They were NOT badged as AMC, but were sold as Rambler Hornet and Rambler Matador. AMI also assembled Triumph cars from the UK and some unheard-of new brand from Japan called Toyota... Australia was Toyota's first export market, starting in the late 1950s. Rambler assembly stopped in about 1975, Triumph continued till 1978, then AMI only assembled Toyotas. AMI was eventually taken over by Toyota and it became Toyota Australia.

 

One AMC Pacer was brought to Australia by AMI to display at the Melbourne Motor Show, but it wouldn't have worked well as right hand drive. The passenger side door was longer than drivers side, to encourage rear seat passengers to get out on the passenger side for safety, but that was wrong way round for Australia and AMC wasn't going to change the panel pressings for a small RHD export market, so the Pacer was never sold here.

 

 
 
I was still seeing Dusters and Demons

Road salt here in the northeast did a number on the unibody mopars,

My first car was a 1971 Dodge R/T Challenger, it was ten years old at the time and already had rust holes in the quarter panels, trunk, top of right fender and hood.

And this was heavy gauge sheet metal, not the beer can bodywork on cars these days.
 
My Aunt Margaret (now deceased) had a '70 Plymouth Duster that was tan. She didn't like it very well, and when we were visiting them in July '72, my Uncle Ken and I went to the Ford dealer, and he traded it for a '72 Gran Torino station wagon in a gold-green color. They found it much more suitable, especially with 2 small children.

As for AMC cars, I've always considered them as ugly. My cousin Mike's first car around '81 or so was a '59 Rambler in brown - ugly as sin. Neighbors around the corner bought a new '59 Rambler station wagon - even uglier than the sedan. Very odd design, as the roof in the back was lower than the front section, which limited the height of things that could be put in there. My friend Fred had a '64 Rambler American when we were in high school in the early 70's - didn't keep it long.
 
Not only have I seen, but have also rode in both Ford & Chevrolet '59 model wagons, as neighbors or friends had them. I think either was better looking than that years Rambler, and had way more usable load space. But my favorite late 50's station wagon is the Mercury. In '63, Rambler had a decent looking vehicle, and came to their senses about the roof design of the wagon.
 
Cutlass slantback...

...looking into these,discovered a 2 door version was also avalible :) The 4dr one I had looked at had ralley wheels similar to Pontiac ralley wheels.The 2 door 1978 cutlass my aunt had had a 260 Oldsmobile v8 instead of the chevy 305 in the slantback
 
Cadillac Seville

We had a 1978 Cadillac Seville purchased used 3 years old. I loved that car and everyone who rode in it loved it also. This car had a fuel injected Olds engine with the 3 speed Turbo Hydramatic Drive. Beautiful dark blue exterior with tan vinyl top and tan leather interior. Came with an 8 trak player and I had it replaced with a cassette player. Probably dumb. I did have a few problems with it but it ran and drove beautifully.
 
AMC Pacer

My first job out of university was in a hospital research lab. One of the other lab workers purchased a new Pacer (around 1976) and she was very excited about it. I was not so impressed but didn't say anything negative to her about it. I think after I left that lab, I heard that she had sold it a few years later. Don't remember why, but it sounds like it was a motor issue.
 
I bought my 1977 Pacer in September 1977 afteer I began working and was able to get a driver's licence. It was the vehicle the dealer used to drive around as a Program Car??
My 1977 AMC Pacer's bieggest problem was the "black box" (electronic module). It failed on me three on the highway. Once was 3 hours away from home on my way home. Had to be towed back to Houston. The wife of friends of my parents had bought one a year before mine. She had the same issue. She dumped it a year before I dumped mine. I traded mine in for a new Chevy Citation. (I didn't find out until years later that two of the Edsel model names were Pacer & Citation). I sold the Citation to the BIL of a coworker---he was a great shade tree mechanic that could deal with the transmission problems developing.
 
Full size GM cars '77 to '79 (B & C body...

were universally acclaimed at the time, and to this day, by the car magazines and by truly knowledgeable car buffs as probably overall the best all-around full-sized US cars ever built, malaise era or not. As much room inside and the previous whales, but still with a great ride plus far better handling and fuel and space efficiency. See knowledgeable opinions on: www.curbsideclassic.com.

We owned a '77 Olds 88, '77 Buick LeSabre, and '78 Buick Electra, each with 350 V8s. We put over 400,000 miles on those cars, and each was a superb family vehicle. After 1980 though, all bets are off, GM went to hell fast in that decade. Wish I could buy another '78 Electra!

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Oh yeah !

those were great cars: I still see a few of those around my area-usually oldsmobiles.I experienced 3 of those as cars of family friends: a '79 Park Avenue,350 had very nice sounding digital Delco 8-track stereo.Also an '82 Park avenue and '82 olds 98-both of those last two had the diesel and despite the rep,both ran great with about 85,000 on each-just reach in and tap the key and they were running in about 1/2 second.Not real fast but got on down the road nicely :) The '79 gas would squeal out nicely if you hit the gas firmly :)
 
on the above cars;

Those were times when many people sold or traded in a car every 3 to 4 years. 5 to 7 maximum.
Yes, Mavericks/Comet's were good! Especially 72 and up. Fit, finish, durability. The Granada/Monarch actually used many of it's parts, and the platform, which was derived from the Falcon.
Cordobas were also solid. Smooth, quiet, strong, if a bit thirsty.
Cadiilac, Buick, and Olds offered an airbag option for at least the driver in 1975. What the era's cars lacked in crumple zones, and passive restraints, they made up for in weight, and room. You had more around you, plus side door gurad beams, and if you wore the seat and shoulder harness, you likely survived a serious crash.
My dads 1977 Electra Limited had an Olds 403 4 barrel.
The RWD Diplomat and Lebaron series were luxury appointed Aspen/Volare variants, derived from the Valiant. Slant 6 was rock solid. Torqueflight automatic too.
I saw Dart Swingers, etc. run until the rear leaf spring and shock mounts under the trunk rusted and they collapsed onto the tires.
 

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