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Deep water wash is a joke because you can't wash a big load of clothes. For real!
Deep water wash is a joke because you can't wash a big load of clothes. For real!
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givemehotwater
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@mattl, I previously had a set of Whirlpool Duets. They were from 2004, and I absolutely loved them. My machine was made in Germany, had an on-board heater, and cleaned like nothing else. I felt confident in the rinsing ability too. The homebuyers of my home, apprently, also loved them and insisted I leave them behind when I sold forever ago.
I would purchase that 2004 Model Again, but I would not purchase the modern-day equivalent. No sirree.
I have seen how the newer LG's, GE's, Samsung's, and Other Brands do with their ultra-low water usage, and I've never been impressed. Especially, with the Front Loaders. While they certainly don't use a cup of water, I have seen fabrics barely moist, and clothes that are not rinsed well.
A good example is a neighbor of mine who uses Tide Pods. (She thinks I'm a little crazy for liking Appliances). I have been gifted a few of the Pods, and when I use those same pods, there is only Minor amounts of fragrance and scent left over from the detergent.
When washed in her newer Front Loader (a LG)... it smells like she used the Tide Pods as Farbic Softener. The scent is so strong, and it lasts through the dryer. I am just convinced that the rinsing is not there.
Not to mention, I have so many white bath towels, linens, and other textiles that I like to wash in very-hot water, to keep them like New. I am very worried, I would not have the abilty to really wash things, the way I want, with the dumbed-down temperatures. And that is extremely important to me, over everything.
The reason my stuff looks brand new, even 25+ years later, is because of the way I wash them. I am happy to pay whatever it costs to obtain the same level of clean, regardless of the energy and water savings. You have to realize, a load of laundry is probably $600+. The savings are maybe two Dimes, or a Dime and a Nickle at best.
I am honestly hoping I can keep the same machine to my deathbed. I will be very disappointed if I can not. At the end of the day, I just wish Government would stay out of the lives of Americans. Consumers should have the right to choose what they want for their homes, even if the product is inefficient. (I am not looking for a reply, I am an Independent.)
One unfortunate example is the widespread Ban on incandescent light bulbs. While most of my home has LED or CFL's, the light bulb in my garage door opener affects the remote if I try to use anything else other than an Incandescent. Even if I try the expensive $16+ "Opener Safe" Bulbs. Someone was kind enough to tell me about the ban, and I went out and purchased a 12ct box to last me until I replace the opener or sell and downsize the house.
Apparently, less than 25% of Americans are using old Incandescent bulbs. Did the government really need to get involved? Maybe people preferred the old light, or in my case, physically needed them. I just wish they would focus on more pressing issues.
I'll get off the Soapbox, now!
I would purchase that 2004 Model Again, but I would not purchase the modern-day equivalent. No sirree.
I have seen how the newer LG's, GE's, Samsung's, and Other Brands do with their ultra-low water usage, and I've never been impressed. Especially, with the Front Loaders. While they certainly don't use a cup of water, I have seen fabrics barely moist, and clothes that are not rinsed well.
A good example is a neighbor of mine who uses Tide Pods. (She thinks I'm a little crazy for liking Appliances). I have been gifted a few of the Pods, and when I use those same pods, there is only Minor amounts of fragrance and scent left over from the detergent.
When washed in her newer Front Loader (a LG)... it smells like she used the Tide Pods as Farbic Softener. The scent is so strong, and it lasts through the dryer. I am just convinced that the rinsing is not there.
Not to mention, I have so many white bath towels, linens, and other textiles that I like to wash in very-hot water, to keep them like New. I am very worried, I would not have the abilty to really wash things, the way I want, with the dumbed-down temperatures. And that is extremely important to me, over everything.
The reason my stuff looks brand new, even 25+ years later, is because of the way I wash them. I am happy to pay whatever it costs to obtain the same level of clean, regardless of the energy and water savings. You have to realize, a load of laundry is probably $600+. The savings are maybe two Dimes, or a Dime and a Nickle at best.
I am honestly hoping I can keep the same machine to my deathbed. I will be very disappointed if I can not. At the end of the day, I just wish Government would stay out of the lives of Americans. Consumers should have the right to choose what they want for their homes, even if the product is inefficient. (I am not looking for a reply, I am an Independent.)
One unfortunate example is the widespread Ban on incandescent light bulbs. While most of my home has LED or CFL's, the light bulb in my garage door opener affects the remote if I try to use anything else other than an Incandescent. Even if I try the expensive $16+ "Opener Safe" Bulbs. Someone was kind enough to tell me about the ban, and I went out and purchased a 12ct box to last me until I replace the opener or sell and downsize the house.
Apparently, less than 25% of Americans are using old Incandescent bulbs. Did the government really need to get involved? Maybe people preferred the old light, or in my case, physically needed them. I just wish they would focus on more pressing issues.
I'll get off the Soapbox, now!
aquarius1984
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Yet more deluded, selfish, can’t see past individual monetary cost prickish behaviour.
Tune in next week folks for more. If you can stomach it.
Jeeez
Tune in next week folks for more. If you can stomach it.
Jeeez
givemehotwater
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@aquarius1984, I am literally surrounded by water. I live within 30 minutes of the Atlantic Ocean. There is no point, in the next 1,000 years that where I live, is not going to be surrounded by Water.
Calling me Selfish or "Prickish", when you don't know me, nor anything about my personal life is the pure definition of simpleminded and ignorant.
The fact of the matter is, taking a few stupid soundbites, talking points, and painting a broad brush on an entire population of geo-diversified individuals, is just the biggest glaring example of how these restrictions are out of control.
Once again... I literally use below the minimum billing usage for my water company. I would even go further, and say that I probably use less water and energy than you do.
I am not in the need to purchase a new machine, nor expect to be anytime soon. Replacing my machine would be absolutely fullish investment, that would not ever pay for itself. Nor would I be happy.
Calling me a "Prick" truly shows your Childlike Aloof Personality at Work.
Calling me Selfish or "Prickish", when you don't know me, nor anything about my personal life is the pure definition of simpleminded and ignorant.
The fact of the matter is, taking a few stupid soundbites, talking points, and painting a broad brush on an entire population of geo-diversified individuals, is just the biggest glaring example of how these restrictions are out of control.
Once again... I literally use below the minimum billing usage for my water company. I would even go further, and say that I probably use less water and energy than you do.
I am not in the need to purchase a new machine, nor expect to be anytime soon. Replacing my machine would be absolutely fullish investment, that would not ever pay for itself. Nor would I be happy.
Calling me a "Prick" truly shows your Childlike Aloof Personality at Work.
I am surrounded by the greatest amount of fresh water in the world, but also have some of the highest water rates in the country - go figure...
We literally have been getting inundated with rain for the past few months and there’s even more rain on the way. Every 2 years it seems (been keeping track since 2015) to rain quite a bit here in California and those years happen to fall on odd number years. I expect it to be quite humid this spring and summer as well, will probably get ever MORE rain this upcoming monsoon season.
California would have been very well off from the previous storms if the didn't divert 94-95-% of the 32 trillion gallons of water to the ocean....as usual.
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Reply #66
We’d be out of the drought if all that water wasn’t flushed out to the ocean but the state doesn’t have their crap together. Very frustrating to see this as a Californian native who’s lived here all my life.
We’d be out of the drought if all that water wasn’t flushed out to the ocean but the state doesn’t have their crap together. Very frustrating to see this as a Californian native who’s lived here all my life.
My 1996 Whirlpool 25 cu. ft. vs new Whirlpool 25 cu. ft.
I just got out my file for my 1996 Whirlpool 25 cu. ft. side by side refrigerator. This unit still runs and has not had any problems. I am including the EnergyGuide for this unit and a new quite similar unit by Whirlpool.
Hard to believe but the older unit uses less electricity! It was made as a part of the Super Efficient Refrigerator Program. 641 KWH/year. New unit 702 KWH/year.
I just got out my file for my 1996 Whirlpool 25 cu. ft. side by side refrigerator. This unit still runs and has not had any problems. I am including the EnergyGuide for this unit and a new quite similar unit by Whirlpool.
Hard to believe but the older unit uses less electricity! It was made as a part of the Super Efficient Refrigerator Program. 641 KWH/year. New unit 702 KWH/year.
Re: # 66 and 67 , This from the National Geographic Society
“Rivers are important for many reasons. One of the most important things they do is carry large quantities of water from the land to the ocean. There, seawater constantly evaporates. The resulting water vapor forms clouds. Clouds carry moisture over land and release it as precipitation. This freshwater feeds rivers and smaller streams. The movement of water between land, ocean, and air is called the water cycle. The water cycle constantly replenishes Earth’s supply of freshwater, which is essential for almost all living things.”
This is just part of the article, the entire article is in the link below.
I too am a native Californian, having lived here for the entirety of my 72 years. I’ve seen at least 3 major droughts over the years. This drought is different. The weather conditions of the last 5 plus years are different, more extreme and they are this way world wide.
Just because one doesn’t like the government doesn’t mean that Mother Nature doesn’t have a major role in the weather conditions. Whats different now is that we’ve known for decades now that mankind has been abusing the earth. We’ve been warned repeatedly that the consequences of not taking care of our earth and environment would most certainly eventually lead to catastrophic outcomes in our eco system and now those predictions are coming to pass world wide with extreme storms, extreme cold and heat, flooding, unprecedented wildfires, famine and destruction of agriculture due to the lack of water.
California has many dams that are used to collect rainfall and some of the water from rivers on their natural course of flowing out to the ocean. Its impossible to capture every drop of river water before it reaches the sea. And not only that to close off the mouths of rivers would be disastrous to the many communities that border these rivers on their path to the ocean. And as stated in the National Geographic article the flowing of rivers to the ocean is essential to the earths water cycle that replenishes the earths fresh water supply.
Any thing that we can do to preserve our earth and eco system by using less water, decreasing green house gases and being personally responsible is vitally necessary. Sadly, we may have already reached the point of no return. There are homes all up and down the Pacific coast that are slowly falling into the ocean due to rising sea level from the Polar Ice Cap melting and this is also happening worldwide. Devastating wildfires have effected not only California but the whole of the Western states and also throughout the world.
I love appliances too, but I love the earth more. If we need to make some concessions to save Mother Earth then I’m willing to do my part. This isn’t a political problem its a problem for all mankind, regardless of your political affiliation.
And these comments are meant with no disrespect.
Eddie
education.nationalgeographic.org
“Rivers are important for many reasons. One of the most important things they do is carry large quantities of water from the land to the ocean. There, seawater constantly evaporates. The resulting water vapor forms clouds. Clouds carry moisture over land and release it as precipitation. This freshwater feeds rivers and smaller streams. The movement of water between land, ocean, and air is called the water cycle. The water cycle constantly replenishes Earth’s supply of freshwater, which is essential for almost all living things.”
This is just part of the article, the entire article is in the link below.
I too am a native Californian, having lived here for the entirety of my 72 years. I’ve seen at least 3 major droughts over the years. This drought is different. The weather conditions of the last 5 plus years are different, more extreme and they are this way world wide.
Just because one doesn’t like the government doesn’t mean that Mother Nature doesn’t have a major role in the weather conditions. Whats different now is that we’ve known for decades now that mankind has been abusing the earth. We’ve been warned repeatedly that the consequences of not taking care of our earth and environment would most certainly eventually lead to catastrophic outcomes in our eco system and now those predictions are coming to pass world wide with extreme storms, extreme cold and heat, flooding, unprecedented wildfires, famine and destruction of agriculture due to the lack of water.
California has many dams that are used to collect rainfall and some of the water from rivers on their natural course of flowing out to the ocean. Its impossible to capture every drop of river water before it reaches the sea. And not only that to close off the mouths of rivers would be disastrous to the many communities that border these rivers on their path to the ocean. And as stated in the National Geographic article the flowing of rivers to the ocean is essential to the earths water cycle that replenishes the earths fresh water supply.
Any thing that we can do to preserve our earth and eco system by using less water, decreasing green house gases and being personally responsible is vitally necessary. Sadly, we may have already reached the point of no return. There are homes all up and down the Pacific coast that are slowly falling into the ocean due to rising sea level from the Polar Ice Cap melting and this is also happening worldwide. Devastating wildfires have effected not only California but the whole of the Western states and also throughout the world.
I love appliances too, but I love the earth more. If we need to make some concessions to save Mother Earth then I’m willing to do my part. This isn’t a political problem its a problem for all mankind, regardless of your political affiliation.
And these comments are meant with no disrespect.
Eddie
Understanding Rivers
A river is a large, natural stream of flowing water. Rivers are found on every continent and on nearly every kind of land.
Reply #69
I see everything differently from most people. I am always quite weary of the articles that are put out there since about 90%, sometimes more of the so called “information” that’s put out there is false and misleading.
The tools to reduce emissions such as nuclear power for electricity generation have been at our disposal for decades but the reason why not many have been built over the years is because the public keeps on falling for false and misleading information that’s put out there by the oil tycoons, mainly Royal Dutch Shell and British Petroleum which aren’t American oil companies btw.
As for wildfires that have happened in my area, most simply were caused by people and companies being negligent and careless. The Fairview fire that happened up the hill from me back in September (yep, that’s up the hill from where I live) was caused be a electrical equipment failure which is negligence on the power company’s behalf since it was caused by a arcing transformer, not by climate or weather. All the wildfires that happened here back in 2020 were caused by negligence from the US forest service since brush hadn’t been removed from all the forests in years which basically became kindling for a wildfire. The Eldorado fire was caused by people who were being negligent and careless with a gender reveal party which sparked a fire. The Cranston fire that happened back in 2018 near Idyllwild was caused by arson which is negligence. A few other wildfires that happened back in 2018 in Southern California were caused by arson and negligence to remove brush from the forests. The last major wildfire that happened in Southern California was back in the summer of 2013 in Idyllwild and that was caused by an electrical equipment failure which is negligence.
As for weather events, haven’t really noticed anything other than it raining heavily one year and being fairly dry the next. Maybe as we get older, the less tolerant we become to the cold and heat, certainly have noticed that I am not as tolerant to the cold since 10 years ago I’d be perfectly content with being in a shirt and a pair of shorts in 55F weather where now I have to be in jeans and a jacket. As for heat tolerance, hasn’t been a drastic difference in 10 years other than I can get a bit agitated and irritable when outside when hot for a long period of time.
I see everything differently from most people. I am always quite weary of the articles that are put out there since about 90%, sometimes more of the so called “information” that’s put out there is false and misleading.
The tools to reduce emissions such as nuclear power for electricity generation have been at our disposal for decades but the reason why not many have been built over the years is because the public keeps on falling for false and misleading information that’s put out there by the oil tycoons, mainly Royal Dutch Shell and British Petroleum which aren’t American oil companies btw.
As for wildfires that have happened in my area, most simply were caused by people and companies being negligent and careless. The Fairview fire that happened up the hill from me back in September (yep, that’s up the hill from where I live) was caused be a electrical equipment failure which is negligence on the power company’s behalf since it was caused by a arcing transformer, not by climate or weather. All the wildfires that happened here back in 2020 were caused by negligence from the US forest service since brush hadn’t been removed from all the forests in years which basically became kindling for a wildfire. The Eldorado fire was caused by people who were being negligent and careless with a gender reveal party which sparked a fire. The Cranston fire that happened back in 2018 near Idyllwild was caused by arson which is negligence. A few other wildfires that happened back in 2018 in Southern California were caused by arson and negligence to remove brush from the forests. The last major wildfire that happened in Southern California was back in the summer of 2013 in Idyllwild and that was caused by an electrical equipment failure which is negligence.
As for weather events, haven’t really noticed anything other than it raining heavily one year and being fairly dry the next. Maybe as we get older, the less tolerant we become to the cold and heat, certainly have noticed that I am not as tolerant to the cold since 10 years ago I’d be perfectly content with being in a shirt and a pair of shorts in 55F weather where now I have to be in jeans and a jacket. As for heat tolerance, hasn’t been a drastic difference in 10 years other than I can get a bit agitated and irritable when outside when hot for a long period of time.
Sean
Do a Google search about whether the California wildfires of the last 5 plus years have been worse due to Climate Change and you will find several articles to support this
Yes, many of these fires have been started by human negligence, such as poor maintenance of electric power lines, idiots having Gender Reveal parties that allowed campfires to get out of control, careless cigarette smokers, ect. The difference has been that the fuel, ie. the forests and the trees have been more highly flammable than in the past due to the dryness brought on by the lack of water as the result of the Climate Change caused drought and the extremely high winds that have fanned these fires, making them virtually impossible to contain, thereby burning vastly larger areas of forests and homes.
Anyone that has watched the news reports during these fires knows this because it has been stressed over and over and over again.
I have no interest in getting into an online argument over this. You may not give credence to so called factual articles, but as far as I’m concerned the National Geographic Society is just about as reputable a source of information as it gets. They aren’t purveyors of mis information.
The fact that I’m older at 72 years of age and may have a lower tolerance for heat and cold has absolutely nothing to do with the documented evidence of Climate Change. I appreciate that you have been paying attention to the weather for the past 5 years, thats a good thing to do. But bear in mind that I have a far longer history of the weather conditions in California and I know for a fact that these past 5 plus years the weather conditions have more extreme than previously.
Eddie
Do a Google search about whether the California wildfires of the last 5 plus years have been worse due to Climate Change and you will find several articles to support this
Yes, many of these fires have been started by human negligence, such as poor maintenance of electric power lines, idiots having Gender Reveal parties that allowed campfires to get out of control, careless cigarette smokers, ect. The difference has been that the fuel, ie. the forests and the trees have been more highly flammable than in the past due to the dryness brought on by the lack of water as the result of the Climate Change caused drought and the extremely high winds that have fanned these fires, making them virtually impossible to contain, thereby burning vastly larger areas of forests and homes.
Anyone that has watched the news reports during these fires knows this because it has been stressed over and over and over again.
I have no interest in getting into an online argument over this. You may not give credence to so called factual articles, but as far as I’m concerned the National Geographic Society is just about as reputable a source of information as it gets. They aren’t purveyors of mis information.
The fact that I’m older at 72 years of age and may have a lower tolerance for heat and cold has absolutely nothing to do with the documented evidence of Climate Change. I appreciate that you have been paying attention to the weather for the past 5 years, thats a good thing to do. But bear in mind that I have a far longer history of the weather conditions in California and I know for a fact that these past 5 plus years the weather conditions have more extreme than previously.
Eddie
Ea56
I’ve done plenty of research and have a few inside resources as well since my father worked 30 years for Calfire along with a few friends of his as well. My father even has a degree in fire science too, so that’s another source I have at my disposal.
“Do a Google search about whether the California wildfires of the last 5 years have been worse due to climate change and you will find several articles to support this”.
Again, I’ve done my research and many of those “sources” are filled with false and misleading information.
I’ve done plenty of research and have a few inside resources as well since my father worked 30 years for Calfire along with a few friends of his as well. My father even has a degree in fire science too, so that’s another source I have at my disposal.
“Do a Google search about whether the California wildfires of the last 5 years have been worse due to climate change and you will find several articles to support this”.
Again, I’ve done my research and many of those “sources” are filled with false and misleading information.
Dan,
When I bought this place in the East Bay it already had a well on the property. Powered by an electric pump, which I had to replace about 15 years or so ago. I was told when I bought the house that it's not potable water, so I only use it to water the front lawn and gardens.
Last year there was a lot of commotion in the lower level area behind my property, where a factory used to be but is now a condo complex. It's probably about six feet lower than here. When I inquired I was told that they were working fixing a leaky sewer line. Well, that improved my well also, with better flow and perhaps better water quality also. But for human and animal consumption - and to fill the fish ponds - I still only use the municipal water service (EBMUD).
When I bought this place in the East Bay it already had a well on the property. Powered by an electric pump, which I had to replace about 15 years or so ago. I was told when I bought the house that it's not potable water, so I only use it to water the front lawn and gardens.
Last year there was a lot of commotion in the lower level area behind my property, where a factory used to be but is now a condo complex. It's probably about six feet lower than here. When I inquired I was told that they were working fixing a leaky sewer line. Well, that improved my well also, with better flow and perhaps better water quality also. But for human and animal consumption - and to fill the fish ponds - I still only use the municipal water service (EBMUD).
So Sean, what are the sources you are getting your knowledge from?
Rich,
You're very lucky to have a well in that area, it must have been put in many years ago when your house was relatively new and the area may have been very rural at the time. Do you have any idea on its depth? Is the city aware of it? I have a friend in Livermore that's on some serious acreage and Zone 7 now wants to monitor his well activity.
I haven't had a sample tested yet to see if it's potable but it does have a bit of a sulfur scent to it. From what the neighbors say, the water is hard and I would have to run a separate water softener to it for home use. It just doesn't seem worth the extra cost and hassle. If the water was soft, I would be very tempted to pipe the washer collection to it if there was no lingering scent.
You're very lucky to have a well in that area, it must have been put in many years ago when your house was relatively new and the area may have been very rural at the time. Do you have any idea on its depth? Is the city aware of it? I have a friend in Livermore that's on some serious acreage and Zone 7 now wants to monitor his well activity.
I haven't had a sample tested yet to see if it's potable but it does have a bit of a sulfur scent to it. From what the neighbors say, the water is hard and I would have to run a separate water softener to it for home use. It just doesn't seem worth the extra cost and hassle. If the water was soft, I would be very tempted to pipe the washer collection to it if there was no lingering scent.
Well, that's an interesting question, Dan. I assume the city is aware of the well here, since it was in the advertisement when I bought the property. As I recall.
I do recall the well sometimes going dry before the nearby sewer work was done. Since then it's been quite reliable. I figure I'm doing a service by watering the grass and veggies with the well water.
As for the depth, at present I'm not sure. I suppose I could do some research on that, if I can find the records on it. It's probably at least 10 feet deep. Maybe 20. IDK.
The well was probably installed in the 1970's when the previous owner's family moved in, and expanded the property by buying up another 1/6 acre (it's about 1/3 acre now). Which is quite large for the SF Bay Area, I think.
I do recall the well sometimes going dry before the nearby sewer work was done. Since then it's been quite reliable. I figure I'm doing a service by watering the grass and veggies with the well water.
As for the depth, at present I'm not sure. I suppose I could do some research on that, if I can find the records on it. It's probably at least 10 feet deep. Maybe 20. IDK.
The well was probably installed in the 1970's when the previous owner's family moved in, and expanded the property by buying up another 1/6 acre (it's about 1/3 acre now). Which is quite large for the SF Bay Area, I think.
From what I learned while gathering information, it was somewhat common to have a well installed without a permit back in those days, especially if you "knew a guy." The well will still be listed in the sale of the home but the city is unaware of it. If that happens to be your case, don't share that info with the city. You should be able to look up the permits(s) online. Not sure on the laws of your area, but generally there's an annual well inspection so if the city never inspected it in all of the years you lived there, they're probably unaware of the well. Keep it that way.
10-20 feet is too shallow, it's probably at least 100 feet down but the water table does fluctuate depending on the area and its elevation. The artesian well I had installed went down 570 feet.
10-20 feet is too shallow, it's probably at least 100 feet down but the water table does fluctuate depending on the area and its elevation. The artesian well I had installed went down 570 feet.
