Biden admin proposes more stringent efficiency standards

[qsd-dan]

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It was made as a part of the Super Efficient Refrigerator Program. 641 KWH/year. New unit 702 KWH/year.

 

So, this is proof that efficiency and reliability can nicely coexist but greedy corporations refuse to build it.

 

[combo52]

90s super efficient, whirlpool side-by-side

I remember this refrigerator well it was a remarkably efficient refrigerator in its day. Whirlpool also made a whole series of top freezer refrigerator starting in the 80s that were very efficient. These were made partly with government backing.

 

It was a good partnership between the department of energy and whirlpool, Thanks for sharing the information Martin, you do have to take into account just like with Glenn’s refrigerator in Texas that they changed the rating system since this refrigerator was built and if the icemaker and water dispenser had actually been used and if the doors were open during the test the energy usage would’ve been somewhat higher. I’m sure the new refrigerator is actually more efficient than yours it’s rated on a more rigorous standard today.

 

You also cannot compare the overall annual energy usage with European refrigerators as they are rated with a different system, my comments earlier were when I saw American refrigerators in Europe, Australia, etc. they were rated with their system, and our refrigerators actually compare very well with any refrigerator in the world .

 

John

 

[DADoES]

 
My 1997 KA topfreezer (21-ish cu ft) is rated 750 kWh/year.

 

[foraloysius]

Here’s a link to a bit more information about European fridges.

https://www.coolblue.nl/en/advice/energy-consumption-fridge.html

 

[48bencix]

Changing Standards

Interesting that the older standards did not include icemaker use or door opening. I paid $1075 for that Refrigerator and bought it in 1997, just looked at the invoice. I also bought an extra 48 month warranty for $100. A lot of money in 1997 and I do not remember the price of less efficient units. This Whirlpool replaced a 24 year old Hotpoint S/S that had failed and I wanted a replacement that day. This one has already run 26 years. We use the icemaker a lot, filling up a cooler to do a trip. I also use the water dispenser every day.

I do not look forward to replacing this one because the salespeople at Home Depot and Best Buy tell me to expect only about 15 years from a new one. When I look at the new units I see almost the same design as mine. Kitchen Aid makes nicer looking units but I would not pay that much for a unit that probably lasts no longer than the Whirlpools or GEs.

I still say leave the efficiency standards where they are. They are good enough.

 

[foraloysius]

It's hard to compare fridges from Europe and the US. I found two similar LG fridges though.

This is the Dutch one:

https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/919127/lg-gslv70pztd-doorcooling.html#product-specifications

And this is the American one:

https://www.sears.com/lg-lrsxc2306v-36inch-23-cu-ft-stainless-steel-side/p-A108347415

They are very similar, but the Dutch one is 22.5 cu ft and the American one 23. The energy use for them is however very different. Is it because the standard for measuring is so different or do we in Europe get the more efficient fridges? Or both? It's 280kWh vs 674kWh.

 

[foraloysius]

I missed that the American energy guide says that the capacity is also 22.5 cu ft.

 

[henene4]

Went over that in extensive ways further up

EU labeling tests at 2 room temps, 16C and 32C, and then middles that, basically.

The US label tests at only 32C.

There are some differences in terms of how the base usage it calculated in regards to testing times and defrost cycles.
But that won't do much in terms of usage.

But, still, as shown further up, even the worst class appliances in the EU - efficiency class "F", that won't be allowed to be sold after March 2024 - is more efficient than most US appliances in similar product categories when calculated closer to US testing procedures.

So there isn't much debate there.

 

[foraloysius]

Ah! Thank you!

 

[combo52]

Energy efficiency of modern refrigerators

Good research, Lewis, as you found out because of different testing methods US refrigerators appear to use more energy and of course, most of them are up to twice as big as the average refrigerator in Europe, which is going to make a difference alone.

But the differences we are seeing are really due to energy testing methods as you showed when the same refrigerators tested using European standards. It’s actually pretty efficient

The world has made huge improvements in refrigerator energy useage even though refrigerator still use a significant amount of power the world over they’ve gone about as far as they’re going to go that’s why the US is only trying to improve efficiency by 13% at this time.

There still is potential for some breakthroughs in the future that’s for sure, but the technology is not readily available now.

The US uses the same technology and components. In fact, we invented a lot of the stuff that is being used the world over now.

Just the use of LED lights has saved a lot of energy and now in the US were using the all plastic icemakers that don’t have a heater in them anymore and that saves a lot of energy, unfortunately, the new plastic icemakers are not durable at all it’s going to be very common item that you’ll have to replace Fairly frequently if you use ice a lot.

John.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

speed queen

I have a feeling that speed queen will be forced to make HE top loaders with wash plates and impellers. Just give them time before the eco nazi dictators get to them.

 

[petek]

Capacity numbers for the same machine vary by country. My LG WM3700 stated a capacity of 4.8 cu.ft whilst the same US model was 5.2 or vice versa and probably not the exact numbers. Just a point.

 

[lavamat_jon]

GELaundry4Ever

Your latest post is in very poor taste. You simply cannot compare a horrific totalitarian regime to energy efficiency standards which are designed to improve life and the future for all of us and the planet, regardless of what you think of them. They are not there to simply annoy the few who feel it is their given right to waste resources let alone have the good luck and fortune to afford it.

 

[bradfordwhite]

#88

It's not like texas is "awash" in superfluous water to waste.
It's not the first time that region has dealt with lack of water and it won't be the last. texas is in worse condition than California as shown on the map, and I doubt the state has the leadership or the resources to adapt.

I would think you'd be concerned about that.

 

[DADoES]

 
Area farmers are barred from getting irrigation water from the (TX) Colorado River for the duration of the 2023 season.  Some that have private irrigation wells can go that route to the extent they can afford the power or fuel to run the pumps.

 

[mrsalvo]

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-washing-machine-rule-americans-214054133.html

On tonight’s news feed.

 

[mattl]

What do you expect from faux news?  Unbiased reporting?

 

[vacerator]

Matt;

Exactly!!!!!

 

[panasonicvac]

MSN

 

[combo52]

New washing machine, energy, efficiency standards

They can be met, it may require some redesig, yes, it may make them a little more expensive, but I’m certainly never gonna listen to anything. The heritage foundation has to say about washing machines they have zero expertise with such things and no credibility at all anyway.

Front loading washers already easily meet the standard people are just gonna have to get used to more front loading washers.

The proposed reductions in water and energy use are actually quite moderate.

John.